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What Browser is everyone using?


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iterva

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Jun 16, 2013
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After getting Firefox set up I'm wondering if I'm on a ship that's on fire? Didn't realize how financially broke Mozilla is and the staff/positions that were eliminated in large part to finances. Could it be only a matter of time for Firefox?
It is a bad sign when companies start laying off staff. And usually it will have a impact on the business when this happens even though management always assures otherwise..at least publicly. Only time will tell I guess.
I hope they pull through!
 

VitoBotta

macrumors 6502a
Dec 2, 2020
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I use Edge as main browser 95% of the time. I love it. It's Chromium based so it can use all Chrome's extensions, has solid sync and uses much less memory and cpu than Chrome. I was using Safari which may be a little faster especially on M1, but I like Edge more both on desktop and mobile.
 

pshufd

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Oct 24, 2013
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After getting Firefox set up I'm wondering if I'm on a ship that's on fire? Didn't realize how financially broke Mozilla is and the staff/positions that were eliminated in large part to finances. Could it be only a matter of time for Firefox?

Full-time engineers will find corporate jobs and spend some spare time on Firefox.

They should have kept Brendan Eich. He actually knows how to run a browser business.
 

akash.nu

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May 26, 2016
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Full-time engineers will find corporate jobs and spend some spare time on Firefox.

They should have kept Brendan Eich. He actually knows how to run a browser business.

The market share of Firefox across the world is so low that we don’t even consider it to be a worthy platform to worry about for a platform we’re working on. And this is a global platform with millions of customers already on it and expanding rapidly.
 
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pshufd

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The market share of Firefox across the world is so low that we don’t even consider it to be a worthy platform to worry about for a platform we’re working on. And this is a global platform with millions of customers already on it and expanding rapidly.

You don't care about browser diversity?
 

ratspg

macrumors 68020
Dec 19, 2002
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You don't care about browser diversity?
Those browsers honestly don’t have much going on for them. (Firefox, Opera, etc.) Just a waning group of developers and pre+early dot com bust users that have been around a bit. I like Firefox but they are trying so hard to sell a VPN service to try and boost profits. Google funds Firefox in a big way, so yeah future doesn’t look good for it without some kind of intervention.
 

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pshufd

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Oct 24, 2013
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Those browsers honestly don’t have much going on for them. (Firefox, Opera, etc.) Just a waning group of developers and pre+early dot com bust users that have been around a bit. I like Firefox but they are trying so hard to sell a VPN service to try and boost profits. Google funds Firefox in a big way, so yeah future doesn’t look good for it without some kind of intervention.

Opera is Chromium-based.

What happens when we get a Chomium security zero day? What do you switch to?

Mozilla has gone though this before back in the 1990s. That's how Firefox was born. In layoffs and downsizing.

I'd love it if Eich took it over.
 

pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
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Isn’t he busy with Brave?

Yup. But if anyone could do both or, even combine them, it's Eich.

Mike Schroepfer, CTO of Facebook used to be the CTO of Mozilla too. He could manage it but we might not like the results. Imagine Firefox owned by Facebook.
 

ecatomb

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May 19, 2021
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Is Brave (based on chromium) similar to Firefox for privacy ?
Is Safary better for that (even better with next macOS) ?
 

pshufd

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Oct 24, 2013
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Is Brave (based on chromium) similar to Firefox for privacy ?
Is Safary better for that (even better with next macOS) ?

Brave and Firefox both have protections built into the browser. Some things in Brave are handled with Extensions in Firefox.

I do not use Safari unless there's a reason that I have to use it. I prefer browsers that support Windows, Linux and macOS as I use these (and other) platforms.
 

pshufd

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Oct 24, 2013
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I fail to see what point you are trying to get across?

Linux has been a poor financial step-sister to Firefox in the 2000s and wondered what they could do to be just like Mozilla. But they're still around and even doing reasonably well. Open source projects live on, sometimes via forks.
 

MacBH928

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May 17, 2008
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Forgive my ignorance. Up until recently I've always used Safari and occasionally Chrome. From a privacy perspective, which browser is best: Safari or Firefox? I have AdGuard extension installed on Safari and I recently downloaded Firefox to give it a try. I have uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger extensions on Firefox installed along with Strict Browser privacy setting and all Data Collection and Use is unchecked. Is there any thing else I should do to help make one or both more private?

Take out Privacy Badger, its redundant to uBlock Origin. I would say install Cookie Auto Delete. Maybe you wan to install the containers extension, this way you can log into YouTube or Facebook but they are in containers in a way they see none of your other tabs or cookies, they only see their own site.

Setting FF Enhanced Protection to STRICT might break functionality of some sites.

If you like the privacy game, you might want to use NextDNS or ControlD.com . Its a paid DNS service that work as a filter to your whole internet(and any devices connected to it) that will block ads and trackers. Similarly you can build your own at home with a RaspberryPi with installed PiHole software. Its very easy just takes 20 minutes or so. Much help can be found at reddit.com/r/pihole


In what way is it a privacy nightmare? Do you mean when actually logged into it with a non business account? Or just in general? If just in general what does it do?

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After getting Firefox set up I'm wondering if I'm on a ship that's on fire? Didn't realize how financially broke Mozilla is and the staff/positions that were eliminated in large part to finances. Could it be only a matter of time for Firefox?

You are not wrong, the management of Mozilla are total idiots who fired Erich(created Brave Browser now, their competitor), lost all the money they got donated and from Google to set as their default, laid off the employees, they want to force their political views on the users, their investments are catastrophic, they are more or less are begging for money... BUT...

Firefox is still around and actually getting better, they had huge leaps of improvements lately. Firefox is backed by fierce group of open source warriors and programmers so they will make sure it will continue to work. Mozilla/FireFox is a heavy weight of the internet and if say they lose money I believe before they shut down someone will come along and pick them up.



Full-time engineers will find corporate jobs and spend some spare time on Firefox.

They should have kept Brendan Eich. He actually knows how to run a browser business.


Yup. But if anyone could do both or, even combine them, it's Eich.

Mike Schroepfer, CTO of Facebook used to be the CTO of Mozilla too. He could manage it but we might not like the results. Imagine Firefox owned by Facebook.

They actually fired Eich more or less, he is the creator behind JavaScript that runs the internet today and now created the up and coming Brave.

The market share of Firefox across the world is so low that we don’t even consider it to be a worthy platform to worry about for a platform we’re working on. And this is a global platform with millions of customers already on it and expanding rapidly.

I dread the day where Blink is the only web rendering engine and the whole world is reliant on Google's technology. Its in the best interest of everyone to keep options alive. I really do wish Brave would switch their rendering engine to Gecko but I do not think that will heppen.

Is Brave (based on chromium) similar to Firefox for privacy ?
Is Safary better for that (even better with next macOS) ?

Brave + Firefox are better for privacy than Safari. B+F are both open source, this means you can read the code and alter it to your liking if you want and see exactly what it does. Safari is owned by a for-profit corporation, you never know what is going behind the closed doors.

I am not saying Apple are doing anything malicious, just saying its safer choice with B+F.
 
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dandeco

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Dec 5, 2008
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I am using Chrome, the Apple Silicon-native version, on my M1 MacBook Air. I find it seems to operate nicer than Safari, especially since I use AdBlock (I even donated a bit to them!) as an attempt to keep my computers secure. AdBlock on Safari prevents some YouTube videos playing, but does not have this problem on Chrome. Plus, it seems Chrome and Safari on my M1 MacBook Air both consume the same amount of energy, and even with that, I still get hours and hours out of the Air's battery!
 

pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
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New Hampshire
They actually fired Eich more or less, he is the creator behind JavaScript that runs the internet today and now created the up and coming Brave.

I worked on Firefox a long time ago and I met Eich in a meeting on the Javascript JIT back in 2008.

He officially resigned but his position was untenable once he was outed.

I was somewhat amazed at how good a job he did putting the Brave team together. He's very accessible on Twitter too.
 

Pastuh

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Jun 3, 2021
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I may be asking a loaded/stupid question, but if you add an extension like Ublock Origin to FireFox or Chrome are they now essentially like Brave and all are now the same/similar from a privacy perspective?
 

Pastuh

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Jun 3, 2021
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I worked on Firefox a long time ago and I met Eich in a meeting on the Javascript JIT back in 2008.

He officially resigned but his position was untenable once he was outed.

I was somewhat amazed at how good a job he did putting the Brave team together. He's very accessible on Twitter too.
Why do you think Eich built a new browser based off of Chromium instead of something else?
 

pshufd

macrumors G4
Oct 24, 2013
10,151
14,574
New Hampshire
Why do you think Eich built a new browser based off of Chromium instead of something else?

Efficiency. Same as everyone else.

Why do software developers develop for an operating system instead of writing their own operating system and packaging it in?

He may not have been feeling the love for Mozilla at the time after getting "resigned".
 

dmccloud

macrumors 68040
Sep 7, 2009
3,146
1,902
Anchorage, AK
Apple is literally at court fighting against Samsung yet they still buy screens from them. Not to mention Apple used to make mockery of Windows all the time and Microsoft still sold MS Office to Mac OS X.

Samsung is a bad analogy, because the different divisions of that company are essentially separate entities that share a name. For example, Samsung's display division is a completely separate company from their chip fabrication company and their phone company.
 
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