Other What camera do you think the SE2 will have?

[JPack]

Not when your single camera takes much higher quality pictures than Xiaomi’s triple one, your LCD looks better than their OLED, your phone feels more comfortable in the hand than the 6” one and your chipset wipes the floor with anything they could muster. I can see this phone being very popular with the OS-agnostic demographic shopping in the 300-500$ range in Europe at least in addition to the target audience of older iPhone upgraders in the US.

Sure, if you assume emerging and European markets are ignorant of DXOMark scores. There's a reason why Samsung and Xiaomi are experiencing tremendous growth in Europe while Xiaomi is the #1 smartphone brand in India.

Cutting $50 from the current iPhone 8 price won't suddenly make a single-lens, 4.7" smartphone significantly more competitive given the current landscape.

 

[Elitegate]

Expect iPhone 8 camera, hope for XR. No chance of iPhone 11.

Expect no wireless charging, nor EarPods.

This one i doubt.

It will probably look just like the iPhone 8 and also come in the same packaging as the iPhone 8, content-wise. 5W Power Brick, Lightning to USB-A cable and regular Lightning EarPods, plus usual Documentation.

Take an iPhone 8, add the A13 chip to it, another GB of RAM (3 GB Total), remove the 3D Touch layer to save costs, and sell it in Space Gray / Silver / Red, with 64 GB and 128 GB options, starting at 399$. I'll doubt that they leave anything out like wired earbuds that have been included in every iPhone so far.

 

[jm31828]

This one i doubt.

It will probably look just like the iPhone 8 and also come in the same packaging as the iPhone 8, content-wise. 5W Power Brick, Lightning to USB-A cable and regular Lightning EarPods, plus usual Documentation.

Take an iPhone 8, add the A13 chip to it, another GB of RAM (3 GB Total), remove the 3D Touch layer to save costs, and sell it in Space Gray / Silver / Red, with 64 GB and 128 GB options, starting at 399$. I'll doubt that they leave anything out like wired earbuds that have been included in every iPhone so far.

I think you are spot on regarding what the phone will include- I assume it'll be literally the exact same screen used now on the iPhone 8, but as you said maybe removing 3D touch.

Big question is of course the camera- assuming they do include the standard wide angle camera that's on the 11, I am sold- I've been wanting to get back to that size of phone for a long time, so if it has the 8 form factor with the latest internals like this- and is only $399- I am buying one on day 1 and selling my 11.

 

[Elitegate]

I think you are spot on regarding what the phone will include- I assume it'll be literally the exact same screen used now on the iPhone 8, but as you said maybe removing 3D touch.

Big question is of course the camera- assuming they do include the standard wide angle camera that's on the 11, I am sold- I've been wanting to get back to that size of phone for a long time, so if it has the 8 form factor with the latest internals like this- and is only $399- I am buying one on day 1 and selling my 11.

I do hope they improve atleast the camera.

And i was just quoting the rumor, which i think is pretty much done and confirmed at this point. 3D Touch will be gone at this point, i can assure you. Every other iPhone in the line-up right now doesn't have 3D Touch, it's not on the Xr, not on the 11 and also not on the 11 Pro and Pro Max. Haptic Touch can pretty much do the same thing, and Apple saves money with every display unit produced. Also 3D Touch was never really appreciated or known by the average customer, it's a shame, because i actually use it all the time, but i guess it doesn't make sense anymore to keep it around in current gen iPhones.

 

[Burebista]

Sure, if you assume emerging and European markets are ignorant of DXOMark scores. There's a reason why Samsung and Xiaomi are experiencing tremendous growth in Europe while Xiaomi is the #1 smartphone brand in India.

Cutting $50 from the current iPhone 8 price won't suddenly make a single-lens, 4.7" smartphone significantly more competitive given the current landscape.

Xiaomi has indeed lately been very popular here in Europe. But not because everybody reads DXO mark with its questionable score system. Reason is - they offer great value to those shopping for under 500$, which is the vast majority of buyers here. People still pay attention to Apple but it had just nothing to offer in the reasonable price range except for the 2-year old tech. Now the consumers will have a chance to get by far the top processor and the top camera on the market in addition to the that top software and reliability everybody is well aware of. That will appeal to a lot of people here, let me assure you. The tradeoff is the screen size but that’s never been a #1 priority here, in fact many people would prefer something a bit less phablet-y. Galaxy S10e is extremely popular.

 

[s54]

Not when your single camera takes much higher quality pictures than Xiaomi’s triple one, your LCD looks better than their OLED, your phone feels more comfortable in the hand than the 6” one and your chipset wipes the floor with anything they could muster. I can see this phone being very popular with the OS-agnostic demographic shopping in the 300-500$ range in Europe at least in addition to the target audience of older iPhone upgraders in the US.
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Agreed. “SE 2” is just a placeholder moniker to describe the product in the rumor cycle, no way Apple is actually calling it that. Could be called just SE, makes sense cause special edition is what it is, but more likely iPhone 9 or something else entirely.

I can guarantee that it will not be called the iPhone 9. Apple never went backwards on naming.

What most people here fail to realize is that despite this being a cheaper iPhone, it’s still going to be a *new* iPhone.

Just because you reused the body of another phone from the past doesn’t make the phone any less new.

We already know it will have updated internals. And I can guarantee that it will not reuse the same identical camera from the iPhone 8. There are two reason for this:

1. When the original SE replaced the iPhone 5S, it got a hefty rear camera bump from 8 mp to 12 mp.

2. Apple has never released a new phone without a camera upgrade in the same series.

Whether they name this phone the “SE 2” or something else is completely irrelevant. We all know that this is in fact an SE-successor. It comes as a budget-friendly phone at the end of the cycle (the 6-8 cycle) just as the SE came at the end of the cycle (the 4-5S cycle).

In short, this phone will be a faster iPhone 8 with an upgraded camera and better antennas. Sign me up. At or close to $400, it will be an absolute bargain.

 

[Burebista]

I can guarantee that it will not be called the iPhone 9. Apple never went backwards on naming.

What most people here fail to realize is that despite this being a cheaper iPhone, it’s still going to be a *new* iPhone.

Just because you reused the body of another phone from the past doesn’t make the phone any less new.

We already know it will have updated internals. And I can guarantee that it will not reuse the same identical camera from the iPhone 8. There are two reason for this:

1. When the original SE replaced the iPhone 5S, it got a hefty rear camera bump from 8 mp to 12 mp.

2. Apple has never released a new phone without a camera upgrade in the same series.

Whether they name this phone the “SE 2” or something else is completely irrelevant. We all know that this is in fact an SE-successor. It comes as a budget-friendly phone at the end of the cycle (the 6-8 cycle) just as the SE came at the end of the cycle (the 4-5S cycle).

In short, this phone will be a faster iPhone 8 with an upgraded camera and better antennas. Sign me up. At or close to $400, it will be an absolute bargain.

Not sure how you can guarantee anything unless your name is Jesus Christ. Chances are, Apple themselves haven’t yet decided what to call it. But at the end of the day the name is irrelevant, to that I agree completely. What matters is what a product can do and how much it costs.

 

[nfl46]

Likely the XR camera. I don’t see them using the iPhone 11 camera and keeping the phone at $399.

 

[rui no onna]

In short, this phone will be a faster iPhone 8 with an upgraded camera and better antennas. Sign me up. At or close to $400, it will be an absolute bargain.

Yep. My iPhone 7's battery is pretty bad now so very much looking forward to this upcoming release. I just don't like the current crop of notched iPhones. Apart from the notch itself, the latest iPhones are either too big (XR, 11) or too expensive (XS, 11 Pro), and there's just something about OLED/PenTile that makes them uncomfortable to use for me.

 

[bodonnell202]

My bet is on it getting a single lens camera with the main (i.e. wide angle) camera from the 11. It will have portrait mode, but will work similar to how it does in the XR (and thus will be limited to human subjects) as well as Night mode. Front facing camera will stick to the 7MP shooter than was in the 7, 8 and X series, but with some improvement to image quality thanks to the A13 ISP.

 

[FlippyGonnaSnap]

EarPods will be included, every “budget” iPhone so far has had them, even the latest iPod touch has them and so will this.

Personally I’d rather an $5 iTunes voucher or something instead.

Because it's $399 and called SE2, not iPhone 9. Recycling the design is a cost issue.

The original SE got a big camera upgrade and and was overall a full upgrade on the 5S with nothing taken away.

They will cut costs by using the same design and cutting 3D Touch. There is no way on earth Apple would replace the 8 in there line-up with a device missing even more features like wireless charging.

 

[FlippyGonnaSnap]

Sure, if you assume emerging and European markets are ignorant of DXOMark scores. There's a reason why Samsung and Xiaomi are experiencing tremendous growth in Europe while Xiaomi is the #1 smartphone brand in India.

Cutting $50 from the current iPhone 8 price won't suddenly make a single-lens, 4.7" smartphone significantly more competitive given the current landscape.

The average consumer has no idea what DXOMark even is or that it exists at all.

They see an affordable device from a strong brand with flashy advertisements, that are also genuinely great value for money and if they do a bit of research will also see great reviews from mainstream outlets. That’s why they sell so well. DXOMark scores have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Lastly we have no idea what the SE2 will cost in those markets, Apple will almost certainly have a completely different strategy in order to get significant market share.

 

[m0sher]

XR camera and 11 at best.

 

[Apple_Robert]

SE 2 simply means budget phone. Kuo uses the term in that reference. He has never stated that the new budget phone will be the same size and framing as the current SE.

Some of you need to read the articles for what is said, instead of injecting bias and then complaining about Apple amd the name, when the problem is with the reader failing to properly understand what has been conveyed.

 

[JPack]

The average consumer has no idea what DXOMark even is or that it exists at all.

They see an affordable device from a strong brand with flashy advertisements, that are also genuinely great value for money and if they do a bit of research will also see great reviews from mainstream outlets. That’s why they sell so well. DXOMark scores have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Lastly we have no idea what the SE2 will cost in those markets, Apple will almost certainly have a completely different strategy in order to get significant market share.

The average consumer doesn’t need to know what DXOMark is. All they need to know is the BBC or Engadget reviews mention DXOMark scores for Xiaomi and the score is as high as a top iPhone. It’s a big number and big numbers prevail.

It doesn’t matter what SE2 costs in emerging markets. Consumers are looking for a big screen because it’s their primary computing device. A $180 Xiaomi has a 6.1” OLED panel. Even if the SE2 sells for $199 in emerging markets, it’s still not quite competitive.

 

[FlippyGonnaSnap]

The average consumer doesn’t need to know what DXOMark is. All they need to know is the BBC or Engadget reviews mention DXOMark scores for Xiaomi and the score is as high as a top iPhone. It’s a big number and big numbers prevail.

It doesn’t matter what SE2 costs in emerging markets. Consumers are looking for a big screen because it’s their primary computing device. A $180 Xiaomi has a 6.1” OLED panel. Even if the SE2 sells for $199 in emerging markets, it’s still not quite competitive.

People who regularly watch tech videos, visit tech forums like this and follow everything tech related are in the minority.

I feel you are severely underestimating Apple’s brand power, the iPhone is a fashion statement. People are often still paying £250 for a used iPhone 7 despite the fact they could easily get a brand new Android device that has a far bigger & better display, better and more cameras, much more modern design, better battery and better performance whilst also coming with fast charging. They still want that iPhone 7 because it’s Apple. Some carriers are still offering 24 month plans with even the iPhone 6 which is insane.

The fake iPhone clone market is still going incredibly strong, stronger then ever. People are actually paying over £200 for a device that is alnost unusable just so they can pretend they have the latest iPhone.

The only obstacle that Apple really has had is pricing, it’s not uncommon for massive corporations to even take a major loss in order to gain the marketshare and to get people in to the eco-system which Apple might be willing to do, especially given the new gigantic shift of focus on to services.

 

[JPack]

People who regularly watch tech videos, visit tech forums like this and follow everything tech related are in the minority.

I feel you are severely underestimating Apple’s brand power, the iPhone is a fashion statement. People are often still paying £250 for a used iPhone 7 despite the fact they could easily get a brand new Android device that has a far bigger & better display, better and more cameras, much more modern design, better battery and better performance whilst also coming with fast charging. They still want that iPhone 7 because it’s Apple. Some carriers are still offering 24 month plans with even the iPhone 6 which is insane.

The fake iPhone clone market is still going incredibly strong, stronger then ever. People are actually paying over £200 for a device that is alnost unusable just so they can pretend they have the latest iPhone.

The only obstacle that Apple really has had is pricing, it’s not uncommon for massive corporations to even take a major loss in order to gain the marketshare and to get people in to the eco-system which Apple might be willing to do, especially given the new gigantic shift of focus on to services.

Apple already tried this strategy with iPhone SE in 2016. They launched a 4” product two years after 4.7” and 5.5” smartphones were launched.

Same strategy with SE2. They’re launching 4.7” two years after 6.1” and 6.5” became common.

People didn’t buy the SE as a fashion statement. It was a low cost iPhone for emerging markets. Did Apple win those markets?

I’m certainly not saying the SE2 will be a failure. It’ll be about as competitive as the original SE. But this time, it’s not just smaller compared to the Android competition, its has fewer cameras too.

 

[FlippyGonnaSnap]

Apple already tried this strategy with iPhone SE in 2016. They launched a 4” product two years after 4.7” and 5.5” smartphones were launched.

Same strategy with SE2. They’re launching 4.7” two years after 6.1” and 6.5” became common.

People didn’t buy the SE as a fashion statement. It was a low cost iPhone for emerging markets. Did Apple win those markets?

I’m certainly not saying the SE2 will be a failure. It’ll be about as competitive as the original SE. But this time, it’s not just smaller compared to the Android competition, its has fewer cameras too.

So much has changed since then though, Apple are now firing on all cylinders to being a more service based company, all the news outlets have been reporting on how much of a priority it is for them to take on the emerging markets, they have even moved a significant amount of manufacturing to India.

The value of simply enticing people in to their eco-system has never been higher. I’m sure the SE2 will be at a more competitive price in those markets and that Apple will be willing sacrifice some profit for long term gain.

The original SE wasn’t exactly cheap in those markets or anywhere outside the US for that matter, the only place it could have been considered a budget device was in the US. Everywhere else the “budget” iPhone has always competitive with Android flagships if not costing more. I got my Galaxy S7 at the time for £24 a month on contract, the cheapest SE I could find was £40

 

[JPack]

So much has changed since then though, Apple are now firing on all cylinders to being a more service based company, all the news outlets have been reporting on how much of a priority it is for them to take on the emerging markets, they have even moved a significant amount of manufacturing to India.

The value of simply enticing people in to their eco-system has never been higher. I’m sure the SE2 will be at a more competitive price in those markets and that Apple will be willing sacrifice some profit for long term gain.

The original SE wasn’t exactly cheap in those markets or anywhere outside the US for that matter, the only place it could have been considered a budget device was in the US. Everywhere else the “budget” iPhone has always competitive with Android flagships if not costing more. I got my Galaxy S7 at the time for £24 a month on contract, the cheapest SE I could find was £40

The SE was cheaper in India than anywhere in the world. It was regularly discounted to $200 to $250 between 2017-2019.

Competitive hardware and software is what attracts buyers in the first place. Services can hold customers. But I doubt anyone is buying an iPhone SE2 so they can get Apple TV+.

 

[ericwn]

People who regularly watch tech videos, visit tech forums like this and follow everything tech related are in the minority.

I feel you are severely underestimating Apple’s brand power, the iPhone is a fashion statement. People are often still paying £250 for a used iPhone 7 despite the fact they could easily get a brand new Android device that has a far bigger & better display, better and more cameras, much more modern design, better battery and better performance whilst also coming with fast charging. They still want that iPhone 7 because it’s Apple. Some carriers are still offering 24 month plans with even the iPhone 6 which is insane.

The fake iPhone clone market is still going incredibly strong, stronger then ever. People are actually paying over £200 for a device that is alnost unusable just so they can pretend they have the latest iPhone.

The only obstacle that Apple really has had is pricing, it’s not uncommon for massive corporations to even take a major loss in order to gain the marketshare and to get people in to the eco-system which Apple might be willing to do, especially given the new gigantic shift of focus on to services.

I’m not sure if Apple is even going for market share with their entry level phone. We saw a great amount of people just being drawn to the SE for size reasons.
I bet plenty of the customers are existing Apple buyers already.

When your alternative is subscribing to an OS from an advertising company it’s also easy to guess why others chose Apple. It’s not all about price or market share.

 

[44267547]

My bet is on it getting a single lens camera with the main (i.e. wide angle) camera from the 11. It will have portrait mode, but will work similar to how it does in the XR (and thus will be limited to human subjects) as well as Night mode. Front facing camera will stick to the 7MP shooter than was in the 7, 8 and X series, but with some improvement to image quality thanks to the A13 ISP.

I’ve mentioned it before, I don’t think it’s just about which camera Apple includes, its the relativity of the software features that it actually adopts from some of the latest smart phones (Obviously being the A13 to allow this to happen), like night mode. If it obviously carries the latest processor, then that would make completely necessary to adopt various software enhancements. And as far as the front facing camera is concerned, no one cares about that, but the camera will be a focus of this next version of the SE.

 

[BootLoxes]

And as far as the front facing camera is concerned, no one cares about that

I do. I do a lot of vlogging across Japan and the front camera is very useful

 

[JPack]

I do. I do a lot of vlogging across Japan and the front camera is very useful

Anybody who has taken a selfie cares about the quality of the front camera. It’s been near potato quality until the 12MP upgrade this year.

 

[FlyingDutch]

Sure, if you assume emerging and European markets are ignorant of DXOMark scores. There's a reason why Samsung and Xiaomi are experiencing tremendous growth in Europe while Xiaomi is the #1 smartphone brand in India.

Cutting $50 from the current iPhone 8 price won't suddenly make a single-lens, 4.7" smartphone significantly more competitive given the current landscape.

DXOMark scores are totally useless.
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in my opinion it will have the single lens iPhone XR camera.

 

[s54]

Anybody who has taken a selfie cares about the quality of the front camera. It’s been near potato quality until the 12MP upgrade this year.

Yessir.