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what can a netbook do better then a ipad
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There are a lot of people on the net that get their jollies arguing with people. He could go to forums that are overwhelmingly anti-apple and join the universal iPad bashing, but then no one would argue with him, so no jollies.
Actually - I disagree a bit. The thing that makes conversation interesting is debate or getting a variety of opinions - whether you agree with them or not. That's what makes conversation interesting.
What's interesting about a conversation where everyone agrees about everything all the time (I'm speaking in hyperbole).
That's "group think" and cult-like. While it may be frustrating for either side to have the conversation - at least, in a forum like this - people can express their opinions.
Sincerely - if everyone was shiny-happy on this forum - how interesting would it be?
I have had heated exchanges with you, but I haven't put you on Ignore. There is a difference between opposing opinions, and purposefully trying to wind people up.
A visit to Daves profile showed more than half the threads he started were pure flame bait and were locked(whatever happened to three strikes and you are out?). There are people who get their jollies instigating arguments, and Dave appears to be one of them.
So I put him on the ignore list but unfortunately other people fall for it and quote him so I end up seeing his flame bait.
We have plenty of strong opposing opinions here and don't need additional flame bait from someone who gets his jollies winding people up.
Apparently they account for about 1% of PC sales according to this Bloomberg article.
Not a lot at all really. I worked in IT procurement for many years and could rarely persuade anyone other than Managers who wanted to show off to buy a Tablet PC. Apple does have their work cut out for them trying to initiate a sea change in end user's buying habits for this particular segment. Let's face it though, they have the profile to do it and maybe they can succeed in the non commercial world where other companies have so far failed by being a bit innovative and offering something more user friendly. Just look at their smartphones.
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Someone posted, what I think is, an excellent example of why Apple didn't go for full blown OSX and why the iPad might be considered a better alternative to a netbook. This is just horrible...... Same price as the entry level iPad too.
Even though I do rather like a good netbook, some of the keyboards are god-awful.
But then again I don't see the iPads keyboard being much better. If i'm honest, I'd just stick to a Macbook / Macbook pro or an ordinary laptop.
But then again I don't see the iPads keyboard being much better. If i'm honest, I'd just stick to a Macbook / Macbook pro or an ordinary laptop.
They listed more detailed numbers lower down in the article; according to them only 122,000 pure slate computers and 965,000 convertibles were sold in 2009. That really is a drop in the ocean compared to the whole PC market.
True. 122,000 tablet buyers is far from "absolutely nobody" though.
It is yet to be shown if Apple can sell 122,000 iPads or more. Using the above tablet numbers you could deduce that 9 out of 10 people interested enough to buy a tablet preferred one with a real keyboard and further notebook capabilities.
I have a feeling a lot of people touting the benefits of netbooks do not even own one. I own an Acer Aspire One which is nice but it is really not as useful as people make it out to be.
The screen is only 600 pixels tall which with Windows title bars and task bar means you only have about 450 pixels of space to work with. You can run word but the Atom processor is about the same speed as an old pentium 3. The atom is used because of its power efficiency which is good, but on my laptop the battery only lasts for 2.5 hours under Win 7 while doing absolutely nothing. The keyboard is one of the largest on a netbook, and it is still thinner than the width of my hands. It works fine for light typing. It also has an Intel GMA 950 which doesn't help anything.
Now I know there are better netbooks coming out with Pinetrail and Ion but overall I typically only use it for the internet because of the limited resolution, possibly web development if it is the only computer I have access to.
The screen is only 600 pixels tall which with Windows title bars and task bar means you only have about 450 pixels of space to work with. You can run word but the Atom processor is about the same speed as an old pentium 3. The atom is used because of its power efficiency which is good, but on my laptop the battery only lasts for 2.5 hours under Win 7 while doing absolutely nothing. The keyboard is one of the largest on a netbook, and it is still thinner than the width of my hands. It works fine for light typing. It also has an Intel GMA 950 which doesn't help anything.
Now I know there are better netbooks coming out with Pinetrail and Ion but overall I typically only use it for the internet because of the limited resolution, possibly web development if it is the only computer I have access to.
True. 122,000 tablet buyers is far from "absolutely nobody" though.
It is yet to be shown if Apple can sell 122,000 iPads or more. Using the above tablet numbers you could deduce that 9 out of 10 people interested enough to buy a tablet preferred one with a real keyboard and further notebook capabilities.
How much do you want to bet Apple sells 122,100 iPads or more.
I will give you 100 to 1 odds. Name your price.
I actually deal with numbers and percentages as part of my business, in fact it is the core of my business.
100k tablets is, for all intents and purpose literally nothing. It is nothing more than noise.
Or they have a netbook and making excuses for it's flaws to justify the fact that they paid $300-400 for it. I did the same when I bought a netbook, going through a denial period, trying to justify my purchase. I finally accepted the fact that it was a POS and I just wasted my money.
The biggest flaw is the Atom processor, which is painfully slow. Whether or not the Apple A4 is actually faster is irrelevant. It feels faster because the OS is designed for mobile processors. Go look at some hands-on videos to see how fast websites and apps load on the iPad. It is much faster than ANY netbook.
The second biggest flaw is screen resolution. 168 more vertical pixels makes a world of difference. The lack of vertical resolution combined with the tiny trackpad makes scrolling a pain.
The keyboard wasn't great but wasn't horrible either, although I type faster on my iPhone. I type 45WPM on my iPhone with no typos and all punctuations (portrait mode with my thumbs). I'm surprised so many people are having problems with on screen keyboards. Then again, I have skinnier thumbs than most.
I suspect my WPM might actually go down on the iPad because my thumbs will need to travel greater distances. But maybe with the larger screen, I'll be able to lay it on my lap and type with all my fingers.
True. 122,000 tablet buyers is far from "absolutely nobody" though.
It is yet to be shown if Apple can sell 122,000 iPads or more. Using the above tablet numbers you could deduce that 9 out of 10 people interested enough to buy a tablet preferred one with a real keyboard and further notebook capabilities.
It difficult to know exactly what to make of the sales of convertible tablets. Is the tablet part an essential factor in the purchase of a convertible or is more a "nice to have" on top of a notebook? Are people using convertibles mostly as normal notebooks? If so, why aren't they using the tablet part?
I don't know enough about the market to pretend to answer those questions.
I bet most convertibles are company funded purchases. I have seen the tablet part used in work environment when doing presentations, since you can write in slides and point things out. Still that is about it.
For home users spending their own money, there are really few uses where the convertible makes more sense than just buying a better laptop for the same price.
I can confirm 14 or 15 of those are for my company. After spending nearly 3 or 4k each back in 2006 on the Panasonic Tough-books they realize they wasted their money as nearly every single salesmen is using them as a regular laptop. The whole "easy note taking" is still done with paper and pencil. It's simply not usable to carry around a 7 or 8 lb 13" "tablet" when a 3"x5" pad and pen do the job.
The best part is one of the salesmen I work with didn't actually know how to "convert" it... he's been using it now for 2 years.
He tried to turn in the wrong way once and assumed it was broken, never messed with it again.I think that is why the iPad will win in the long run. It is not suppose to be a laptop/netbook replacement. Maybe for the grandpa and grandmas out there like my mom who only uses a computer to do email and facebook it would work.
I would like a second computer just to be able to surf the internet, watch my movies or tv shows while the wife is using this one. Or vice versa. An iPad would work perfect for that.
I do hope the operating system gets more robust than the iphone. You should be able to print, do some file management and browse local networks with the ability to map drives.
That is the major drawbacks of the iPad to me. Add those and you are able to differentiate it from the iphone/touch.
I would like a second computer just to be able to surf the internet, watch my movies or tv shows while the wife is using this one. Or vice versa. An iPad would work perfect for that.
I do hope the operating system gets more robust than the iphone. You should be able to print, do some file management and browse local networks with the ability to map drives.
That is the major drawbacks of the iPad to me. Add those and you are able to differentiate it from the iphone/touch.
If 1% of iPod Touch/Nano customers (or potential iPod customers!) love them, but have problems using them without reading glasses, Apple will sell more than double the 122K to that subcategory of customers alone.
Add to that Kindle and potential Kindle customers who want something about the same form factor, but with color, higher contrast, and faster web browsing, and that's another easy 100K+ units.
Given the huge difference in unit sales volumes between iPods/iPhones and MacBooks, there's a lot more potential upside in big iPod Touches, than in tiny crippled Mac netbooks or yet another Windows tablet.
You may have inadvertently hit upon the reason for all the iPad venom. Damn kids haven't hit middle age yet! Don't worry, all you haters, one day you too shall look at the miniscule iPhone and think "how the heck can anybody use this thing to browse the web?!?" And then in a moment of confusion you'll realize that that is exactly what you used to do. I'm not guaranteeing that enlightenment will follow confusion.
I know there are enough people with expendable cash and Apple product lust to possibly account for a few million iPads. Until they sell one, though, no one will know for sure. I doubt no one will bother counting how many go unused or are ebay-ed after a month or two either. I've got an array of gadgets around me, and only a few have my lasting interest.
It's the same for netbooks and e-readers. Many are bought with visions of solving an old or new problem, yet end up chargeless and dusty when it turns out the "problem" didn't exist or was poorly defined.
What is clear though, is that there are things a netbook can do that an iPad can't, and things the iPad will do that most netbooks won't. What the real use for either will be is up to the buyer. It's only a $500 mistake if you don't like your iPad. My Asus EEE was a $300 mistake and collects dust. My Archos 9 is a closer fit with my needs, and can play netbook if it has too. It may yet be a doorstop though. Time will tell if my life needs anything resembling an ipad. The answer may be a simple NO.
It's the same for netbooks and e-readers. Many are bought with visions of solving an old or new problem, yet end up chargeless and dusty when it turns out the "problem" didn't exist or was poorly defined.
What is clear though, is that there are things a netbook can do that an iPad can't, and things the iPad will do that most netbooks won't. What the real use for either will be is up to the buyer. It's only a $500 mistake if you don't like your iPad. My Asus EEE was a $300 mistake and collects dust. My Archos 9 is a closer fit with my needs, and can play netbook if it has too. It may yet be a doorstop though. Time will tell if my life needs anything resembling an ipad. The answer may be a simple NO.
According to AdMob, almost 20% of iPod Touch users, and over 45% of iPhone users, are over 35 years old.
I can't find the stats on the percentage of people over 35 who need reading glasses, but even if it's only 10%, that would amount to over a couple million current iPod Touch and iPhone owners who would benefit from a device with a larger display, not even including Apple/Mac customers who didn't yet buy any of the current devices because they found the display too small to easily read much.