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I don't get the reason to even visit here personally. Since I don't have an Android device, I don't have any interest at all in going over and reading and commenting on Android forums. I guess I would rather spend my time reading about the device I have then the device I don't have. Maybe that's just me.



Tech enthusiast. iPhone users tend not to be big Tech enthusiast and if they are they tend to only live in the world of Apple. There are not many that love everything.

Android users on the other and you have a much larger number who are tech enthusiast and as such have an interested in iPhones and reading about them. They may not want one but they like learning about them and well best place for that info tends to be iPhone forums. We android users do not like seeing lies bashing android OS from people who clearly never really have gotten to know it.
 
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Then he followed up that comment about his GS2 by taking a potshot at people use use iPhones which made his bias very clear. If all he had said is his GS2 didn't suffer from lag then you would be right, but that is not all he said.

Man, don't be so sensitive. He took a "potshot" at that poster, not ALL iPhone users...geez. I currently have an iPhone, and took no offense whatsover...it was CLEARLY directed at the post he QUOTED.

I get what you're saying, the personal comments could have been left out. But I'm not mad, they were warranted IMO. People that post idiotic stuff like that (what he quoted) shouldn't be banned. I like facts, not hyperbole, especially from someone who probably hasn't even used a high end Android device.
 
Tech enthusiast. iPhone users tend not to be big Tech enthusiast and if they are they tend to only live in the world of Apple. There are not many that love everything.

Android users on the other and you have a much larger number who are tech enthusiast and as such have an interested in iPhones and reading about them. They may not want one but they like learning about them and well best place for that info tends to be iPhone forums. We android users do not like seeing lies bashing android OS from people who clearly never really have gotten to know it.

You are way over generalizing. I am a tech enthusiast and enjoy my iPhone just fine. I have plenty of things at home if I want to tinker... when I want to use my phone I just want it to work.. that and I went to the iPhone from an iPod because I did not want to carry two devices around and as I have mentioned in this thread Android so far does not provide a compelling enough media management/organization experience to get me to move off the iPhone and as one of the primary things I use my iPhone for that is a HUGE deal for me. I cannot justify moving to a platform that gives a lesser experience then what I have now on one of the primary things I use on my phone.
 
You are way over generalizing. I am a tech enthusiast and enjoy my iPhone just fine. I have plenty of things at home if I want to tinker... when I want to use my phone I just want it to work.. that and I went to the iPhone from an iPod because I did not want to carry two devices around and as I have mentioned in this thread Android so far does not provide a compelling enough media management/organization experience to get me to move off the iPhone and as one of the primary things I use my iPhone for that is a HUGE deal for me. I cannot justify moving to a platform that gives a lesser experience then what I have now on one of the primary things I use on my phone.

I may of been generalizing but does not change the fact that it tends to hold true.

Also I still would like you to explain more in detailed what you want out of your smart playlist (point back to an earlier post of mine about double twist.
 
I may of been generalizing but does not change the fact that it tends to hold true.

Also I still would like you to explain more in detailed what you want out of your smart playlist (point back to an earlier post of mine about double twist.

As for doubletwist limitations

- cannot even load it on my windows 7 x64. there is an 8 month old thread on their page about the issue but no resolution
- no smart playlists available in windows version
- used their podcast search feature - could not find half the podcasts I use
- even with wifi sync you have to manually tell doubletwist to update podcasts which makes wifi sync not near as usable. I mainly want wifi sync to get the latest podcasts, but if I have to go to my computer to manually download new podcasts it negates the purpose.
- doesn't look like I can create playlist folders (another item I use a lot)
- from looking at their forums, their support seems very slow and nonresponsive. for just about all the issues I listed above there are months old threads about them with little or no response from developers.


All in all, doubletwist is an app that is trying to be itunes but lacks lots of features that are in itunes and has little to no support. Don't see it as an app i would spend money on.

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Also found a thread on their forum about issues on windows syncing music from network attached drives. All of my media is on network drives.
 
Ok heres one:

How come every time I see hot girls with a sense of fashion, or wealthy businessmen with a sense of style, or young rich people, or old rich people, or everybody who just comes off as alpha or elite, the people who run things pretty much and are leaders or icons; how come they all have the iPhone? And all the commoners, the average, the anti, the dorks, the low-brow, the lower class... they all seem to have Androids?

When the pattern changes, Ill change my story. Its not an unreasonable argument if the trend is true. The people who otherwise exude sensibility and the leaders of our civilization, the people who seem like they already make, and have the power to make, the best choices in life, choose iPhone.

That's funny. WHenever I see hot girls and big business guys I see blackberries or some cheap dumbphone in their hands. You know, the things both android and iOS fans love to dub "failures".

Pretty sure if i was actually wealthy i would probably not give a damn about what phone is in my hands. It just needs to do a certain job and thats it. As for girls, i would like an explanation of people who have 2006 era dumbphones and still have hotter gfs than those with iphones or androids or whatever tickles their fantasy.

I guess people get attached too much to their material things to feel a need for re-assurance. Get out, the world is bigger than a phone.
 
As for doubletwist limitations
Number them for the response and questions


1. cannot even load it on my windows 7 x64. there is an 8 month old thread on their page about the issue but no resolution

2. no smart playlists available in windows version

3. used their podcast search feature - could not find half the podcasts I use

4. even with wifi sync you have to manually tell doubletwist to update podcasts which makes wifi sync not near as usable. I mainly want wifi sync to get the latest podcasts, but if I have to go to my computer to manually download new podcasts it negates the purpose.

5 doesn't look like I can create playlist folders (another item I use a lot)

6 from looking at their forums, their support seems very slow and nonresponsive. for just about all the issues I listed above there are months old threads about them with little or no response from developers.


All in all, doubletwist is an app that is trying to be itunes but lacks lots of features that are in itunes and has little to no support. Don't see it as an app i would spend money on.

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Also found a thread on their forum about issues on windows syncing music from network attached drives. All of my media is on network drives.



Number for my responses.
1. Not sure what you are talking about. I am on a windows x64 windows 7 computer. I have no issue with it.

2. More detail please. Again the double twist playlist are populated from my iTunes playlist. iTunes smart playlist adds a song it is done in double twist.

3. Never really use Double twist for pod caste. There are by far better options. A great free option is Google Listen. Supply Google listen the RSS feed of the pod cast and it handles everything else. I use an App called dog catcher which is paid and offers a few more features than Google Listen but does the same thing.

4. Points back to reason 3. Both the apps I talk about check and download podcast at what ever time period you request. I think I set mine to 6 hours and unlike iOS I can download them over cell network.

5. What do you mean by that? Remember iTunes is still handling all the creating and controlling of my playlist. Double twist is used for syncing but gets all its information from iTunes.

6. It is a free program and I would like to point out Apple is not much better.


And like I said before iOS is a better for music player. Android it is pretty good but not as nice. Podcast, honestly I find Android is better at that with the fact that I am not limited by wifi only downloading and I can get the pod cast earlier as I do not have to wait for iTunes store to update its list so I can download it. I have seen the differences be has high was 12+ hours between when I could pull it off the RSS feed compared to iTunes.
 
Only iPhone delivers the superior user experience and all-around quality. Android handset makers always cut corners and it shows in the end product. For example, look at the HTC EVO. The battery life is garbage and the movie quality is garbage, dropping to around 10 fps in lowlight 720p record. They just throw features into the EVO for bullet points on the box, nevermind the quality.

Crap like that won't stand with Apple. They don't ship crap, they don't cut corners, they deliver the superior all-around phone. Just try one, it's obvious at first touch.
 
That's funny. WHenever I see hot girls and big business guys I see blackberries or some cheap dumbphone in their hands. You know, the things both android and iOS fans love to dub "failures".

Pretty sure if i was actually wealthy i would probably not give a damn about what phone is in my hands. It just needs to do a certain job and thats it. As for girls, i would like an explanation of people who have 2006 era dumbphones and still have hotter gfs than those with iphones or androids or whatever tickles their fantasy.

I guess people get attached too much to their material things to feel a need for re-assurance. Get out, the world is bigger than a phone.


Playing on a Yacht with hot girls > playing with any device

Figuring out what newest $100K+ priced luxury car to get next > what device to get next


BTW ...... I know plenty of rich people. Your right, most do have regular dumb phones or Blackberries. But damn near every last rich person I know has the latest Mac and an i....everything else.
 
Playing on a Yacht with hot girls > playing with any device

Figuring out what newest $100K+ priced luxury car to get next > what device to get next


BTW ...... I know plenty of rich people. Your right, most do have regular dumb phones or Blackberries. But damn near every last rich person I know has the latest Mac and an i....everything else.

That's because they are expensive and classy. I am not going to argue over this it is a known factor.

But they probably also don't spend nights arguing about those devices too. Getting the newest mbp or the newest dell is probably at the bottom of their yearly "care lists" lol. It is just people who for some reason develop unnecessary attachment with these who love to defend their choices.
 
Only iPhone delivers the superior user experience and all-around quality. Android handset makers always cut corners and it shows in the end product. For example, look at the HTC EVO. The battery life is garbage and the movie quality is garbage, dropping to around 10 fps in lowlight 720p record. They just throw features into the EVO for bullet points on the box, nevermind the quality.

Crap like that won't stand with Apple. They don't ship crap, they don't cut corners, they deliver the superior all-around phone. Just try one, it's obvious at first touch.

Why is it that only Apple fans defend their favorite toys with such broad generalizations? Is it because they can not point out to any specific advantages of their toys? Samsung Galaxy S II is by far the best phone right now and has been for many months. And it has been outselling iPhone 4 lately in such important markets (where it was available) as Britain and Japan.
 
Playing on a Yacht with hot girls > playing with any device

Figuring out what newest $100K+ priced luxury car to get next > what device to get next


BTW ...... I know plenty of rich people. Your right, most do have regular dumb phones or Blackberries. But damn near every last rich person I know has the latest Mac and an i....everything else.

If I was rich I wouldn't care about what phone I had cos I'd have them all :D
 
Number for my responses.
1. Not sure what you are talking about. I am on a windows x64 windows 7 computer. I have no issue with it.

2. More detail please. Again the double twist playlist are populated from my iTunes playlist. iTunes smart playlist adds a song it is done in double twist.

3. Never really use Double twist for pod caste. There are by far better options. A great free option is Google Listen. Supply Google listen the RSS feed of the pod cast and it handles everything else. I use an App called dog catcher which is paid and offers a few more features than Google Listen but does the same thing.

4. Points back to reason 3. Both the apps I talk about check and download podcast at what ever time period you request. I think I set mine to 6 hours and unlike iOS I can download them over cell network.

5. What do you mean by that? Remember iTunes is still handling all the creating and controlling of my playlist. Double twist is used for syncing but gets all its information from iTunes.

6. It is a free program and I would like to point out Apple is not much better.


And like I said before iOS is a better for music player. Android it is pretty good but not as nice. Podcast, honestly I find Android is better at that with the fact that I am not limited by wifi only downloading and I can get the pod cast earlier as I do not have to wait for iTunes store to update its list so I can download it. I have seen the differences be has high was 12+ hours between when I could pull it off the RSS feed compared to iTunes.

1. It crashes for me on Windows 7. I searched for forums and found a long thread on the issue with no resolution in over 8 months.

2. In Doubletwist there is an option for "add playlist"... no option for "add smart playlist". Again, checked forums and found a long thread that the option is evidently in the mac version but not windows. I found an option for "import playlist from iTunes" but since I cannot get it to run on my main computer cannot really test.... Since DT itself does not support smart playlists, if something changes in a smart playlist on iTunes does it have to be re-imported for the change to take effect.

2a. If I still have to use itunes for doubletwist to work properly, how have I improved anything? iTunes by itself is a huge memory hog and if I have to run that and a second program to make it all work - not interested.

3. I do not like using any phone based podcast catchers because then the files are only available on my phone. I also like to listen to podcasts through iTunes directly, ATV, etc. I like my content available multiple places and not tied to one. Also, I find the ability to search and find podcasts in iTunes very useful and is how I find 90% of my podcasts. Doubletwist has the function but it really doesn't work well.

4. See 3 - I like content in a centralzied location that can be accessed from multiple devices/places.

5. Again, no option I can find in doubletwist for "create folder". As I said earlier if I am just creating in itunes, then syncing to DT, then syncing to the phone that sounds to me like way too many places for something to go wrong and way more apps running on my computer then I would like. Why can't DT just replace iTunes since it is obviously trying to?

6. USB sync is free... wifi sync and other options are paid. If I was going to use it, I would have to have wifi sync.

I never said iTunes was a perfect product. I get very frustrated with it on many occassions, but my point has always been NOBODY has a product that can replace it that has the same features. DT is the closest and even in the interface tries to be iTunes but lacks features needed to do so. and in reality all most products do is just link their program into itunes, not replace it.

Nobody has made a viable competitor to iTunes that takes what it dos well and fixes the things it doesn't do well.

I am hesitant on produts that just "link into" iTunes because I have been down that road before using a wifisync jailbreak app for iPhone. The mutli-app solution just really didn't work all that well.
 
When I first pulled up Doubletwist it looked like something that could just replace iTunes which actually had me a bit excited. Now after reading your response the only way to get it to do what I want is to make it basically a "dumb client" for iTunes. Very dissapointing. I already have some issues with the memory iTunes by itself uses up - having to use that plus another batch for DT isn't very exciting at all.

Why won't Google just add some type of sync functionality into Android, compete with iTunes, and remove the reliance on all these 3rd party apps?

I keep hearing "Android has done wifi syncing for years" which isn't really true. Android 3rd party apps have done wifi syncig for years (as have iPhone 3rd party apps), but Android itself has done no syncing ever. I guess streaming over google music is Google's answer, but in the days of limited data plans and the feature set of google music being so limited that doesn't seem to be the best choice.

I do wish Google would spend some time on good media management support for Android.

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Why is it that only Apple fans defend their favorite toys with such broad generalizations?

Android fans throw out broad generalizations all the time about Android.
 
When I first pulled up Doubletwist it looked like something that could just replace iTunes which actually had me a bit excited. Now after reading your response the only way to get it to do what I want is to make it basically a "dumb client" for iTunes. Very dissapointing. I already have some issues with the memory iTunes by itself uses up - having to use that plus another batch for DT isn't very exciting at all.

Why won't Google just add some type of sync functionality into Android, compete with iTunes, and remove the reliance on all these 3rd party apps?

I keep hearing "Android has done wifi syncing for years" which isn't really true. Android 3rd party apps have done wifi syncig for years (as have iPhone 3rd party apps), but Android itself has done no syncing ever. I guess streaming over google music is Google's answer, but in the days of limited data plans and the feature set of google music being so limited that doesn't seem to be the best choice.

I do wish Google would spend some time on good media management support for Android.


See just reading this one post reminds me of the many reasons I just couldnt bear to use Android. Its funny i may get jumped on for saying that......on an iPhone forum......because all the Android users are on here spreading the word lol
 
2. More detail please. Again the double twist playlist are populated from my iTunes playlist. iTunes smart playlist adds a song it is done in double twist.

Went back and tried this on my laptop ( since is still won't run on my desktop). You are correct that it does seem to work as a "dumb client" for iTunes. Not an optimum arrangement but does work for the most part.

Still however,

- Folders do not work. I create a folder in iTunes and it becomes a playlist in DT with everything in every playlist in the folder in it. Not what I was looking for. I keep music playlists in one folder, podcast playlists in another folder, audiobooks in another, etc. No folders and all playlists being in one big list is not a desirable outcome at all. Not a deal breaker, but really messes up organization.

- Syncing of playcount information from DT to iTunes does not seem to work. This is a deal-breaker. Just about all my smart playlists rely on playcount or last played information so without that information the smart playlists are useless. So using DT I can access my Smart Playlists in iTunes but they will never update. Not a great option.

iSncy seems to be much better for just straight iTunes syncing, but it also seems to have no support for playlist folders. Does Android itself just not support having folders for playlists because that seems to be a common issue?

So in general it appears there are no options in Android to replace iTunes, but there are some "kludges" that will kinda sync with iTunes, but with limitations and caveats and also doesn't appear to be anything that does "home sharing" (another feature I quite like).
 
reading your post I cant help but ask: why are you here? This is an iPhone forum and you are clearly anti apple and love your SGS2. Nothing wrong with that of course the SGS2 is a great phone, but I still ask: why are you here?

Not anti-apple ...far from it...i use at home a 27" iMac and a 17" macbookpro,my business uses windows,and i will wait to see what the next iPhone brings,am due to upgrade the first 20 of my work phones in the middle of october,will see what the iPhone brings and the nexus prime,due a week later i believe,may even wait until the nokia W7 phones appear as i use windows at work so W7 phones makes sense,at the moment we use SGS2s which i swapped from iphone4s,and they fit in with my business a lot better than the iPhone did.
What annoys me on here is that there are far to many people who just think that whatever apple brings out is the be all and end all,which it is clearly not..as far as I'm concerned whichever suits my needs i will use,but as for some of the very obviously childish comments on here about android...ridiculous...ios is a great operating system,but needs radical updating,its now lagging behind android in many ways,also the phone hardware needs upgrading,removable battery,expandable memory,etc....
 
Went back and tried this on my laptop ( since is still won't run on my desktop). You are correct that it does seem to work as a "dumb client" for iTunes. Not an optimum arrangement but does work for the most part.

Still however,

- Folders do not work. I create a folder in iTunes and it becomes a playlist in DT with everything in every playlist in the folder in it. Not what I was looking for. I keep music playlists in one folder, podcast playlists in another folder, audiobooks in another, etc. No folders and all playlists being in one big list is not a desirable outcome at all. Not a deal breaker, but really messes up organization.

- Syncing of playcount information from DT to iTunes does not seem to work. This is a deal-breaker. Just about all my smart playlists rely on playcount or last played information so without that information the smart playlists are useless. So using DT I can access my Smart Playlists in iTunes but they will never update. Not a great option.

iSncy seems to be much better for just straight iTunes syncing, but it also seems to have no support for playlist folders. Does Android itself just not support having folders for playlists because that seems to be a common issue?

So in general it appears there are no options in Android to replace iTunes, but there are some "kludges" that will kinda sync with iTunes, but with limitations and caveats and also doesn't appear to be anything that does "home sharing" (another feature I quite like).


So you want a replacement for iTunes and two way syncing. If you want to kill off iTunes then you might want to look at things like Zune program. Either way you want the two way syncing.

Does not help that Apple only allows Apple products syncing with iTunes and does not allow two say syncing with other programs.
 
So you want a replacement for iTunes and two way syncing. If you want to kill off iTunes then you might want to look at things like Zune program. Either way you want the two way syncing.

Does not help that Apple only allows Apple products syncing with iTunes and does not allow two say syncing with other programs.

My wife has an iphone 4 and I've got a WP7 and for what we do I much prefer zune. Zune is easier to use and faster, at least for my purposes.
 
Yeah, work properly and as expected.

Every Android phone I have ever been handed can't even get scrolling right. When I see an Android phone scroll as smooth and fluid as an iPhone, then we'll talk.

I have experienced good scrolling on my sisters android or atrix whichever one it was.

it is not out of the realm of possibility, but that does not mean I'd switch to an android. Personally if Apple comes out with "Assistant" I will want to upgrade.
 
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