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k995

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Jan 23, 2010
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Windows 7 > win XP >>> Vista >>>> windows 8


You obviously never used 8, or vista for that matter.

For the average open minded consumer 8 will be same/better but certainly simpler then xp, vista and even 7 .

Perhaps use it before making such statements?
 

k995

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Jan 23, 2010
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Perhaps I wasn't crystal clear. Windows 8 will get traction for Surface-type tablets in corporate environments but not on Desktops or Laptops.

My employer are rolling out Windows 7. We're entitled to Windows 8 via software assurance but will not be deploying it as it stands to the PCs/Laptops.

Windows To Go ? Secure boot? Btter Bitlocker? Better control on whats installed? Custom build and easy deployable "metro" apps ? ,...

I would suggest you try it out and look at the whole package, niet just part of the start menu thats different and just bothers you.

And I do hope this isnt your job to evaluate such things.
 

Dontazemebro

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Jul 23, 2010
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I dunno, somewhere in West Texas
You obviously never used 8, or vista for that matter.

For the average open minded consumer 8 will be same/better but certainly simpler then xp, vista and even 7 .

Perhaps use it before making such statements?

I have used it and its not about being simpler. A lot of the features are unintuitive and unnecessary.

Nice try though.
 

Renzatic

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I have used it and its not about being simpler. A lot of the features are unintuitive and unnecessary.

Hardly. In a previous post I listed 3 things I didn't like about Windows 8. They were more small annoyances than complete and total dealbreakers.

To me, it's not exactly complicated or unintuitive, just different. Something anyone who's used Windows as a platform for any decent amount of time should be used to by now, considering MS' habit of moving things around constantly between updates.
 

alent1234

macrumors 603
Jun 19, 2009
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It sucks
For some reason Microsoft has made it a longer process to do almost everything
Instead of a click or two it's now a few clicks. It's almost like the listened to the geeks
 

MagicBoy

macrumors 68040
May 28, 2006
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Windows To Go ? Secure boot? Btter Bitlocker? Better control on whats installed? Custom build and easy deployable "metro" apps ? ,...

I would suggest you try it out and look at the whole package, niet just part of the start menu thats different and just bothers you.

And I do hope this isnt your job to evaluate such things.

Get over yourself. One tiny post and you suddenly know about our environment and our business? I think not.

I've got the RTM version installed. If it's unintuitive to someone who's got a degree in computer science and 15+ years IT experience in various organisations then what hope do the admin staff have? It's not simpler. The new features are unnecessary and unintuitive.

Windows To Go - not required.
Secure Boot - not required.
Bitlocker - fine as it is when teamed up with a TPM and AD.
Control on what installed - fine as it is.
Metro apps - see below.

Given that many of our critical apps are still not Win 7 compatible for a number of reasons I won't discuss here, I don't see any of them going "TheInterfaceFormerlyCalledMetro" in the next five years. It's Microsoft trying to reinvent then wheel because they got scared by iOS and Android. It will work very well for certain things, but not a corporate desktop PC.
 

piridelli

macrumors newbie
Sep 1, 2012
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The problem with microsoft is that they change their ui every time, unlike apple. In windows 7 i had to learn to use the computer again. Now in windows 8 again!
 

Rogifan

macrumors Penryn
Nov 14, 2011
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They're upgrading their desktops to Windows 7. The tablets are a completely seperate story.

I played around with it, I liked it, and I'll probably buy two licenses and install it on one of my PC's, either my desktop or laptop, but not both I don't think. As everyone else mentioned it's a superb UI for phones, tablets, and TV's, but I'm not sold yet on the desktop.

Time will tell.

Well where I work (Fortune 50 company) they're not purchasing tablets for employees, it's a BYOD policy. So unless employees jump on Surface or OEM tablets not sure how they take over the enterprise. But maybe other companies are doing things differently.

What I don't get is why some think if a tablet is just a consumption device it's inferior. For me I'd much rather use a desktop or laptop for doing my content creation and a tablet for viewing it. For me tablet screens are too small to do real work but if you make them any bigger they're no longer portable (or light weight). I think these conversion devices will end up being a device full of compromises and will not be a real threat to the iPad. Just like Ultrabooks aren't overtaking MacBooks. Mostly because the average Windows consumer is used to cheap laptops and not willing to pay $800-$1,000+ for an "Ultrabook".
 

k995

macrumors 6502a
Jan 23, 2010
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I have used it and its not about being simpler. A lot of the features are unintuitive and unnecessary.

Nice try though.

Such as?

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Get over yourself. One tiny post and you suddenly know about our environment and our business? I think not.
I dont , I just advised you to carefully try it out yourself over a longer period . As such software should be tested.


I've got the RTM version installed. If it's unintuitive to someone who's got a degree in computer science and 15+ years IT experience in various organisations then what hope do the admin staff have? It's not simpler. The new features are unnecessary and unintuitive.
And did you let anyone of the actuall users try it out?

I have and most like it. Either a home or in test company wise.

And again windows is a lot more then just the start menu or some settings .



Given that many of our critical apps are still not Win 7 compatible for a number of reasons I won't discuss here, I don't see any of them going "TheInterfaceFormerlyCalledMetro" in the next five years.

Ah of course if you have older apps then the argument is moot. You simply cant upgrade not even to windows 7 . Well you have util 2014/2017 and you do realise you dont have to go "TheInterfaceFormerlyCalledMetro" ?

It's Microsoft trying to reinvent then wheel because they got scared by iOS and Android. It will work very well for certain things, but not a corporate desktop PC.
Metro dates back to 2006 long before the iphone was a succes let alone android.

And countless companys will disagree with you, of its possible windows 8 isnt right for your situation but I rather think its more closed mind here.

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The problem with microsoft is that they change their ui every time, unlike apple. In windows 7 i had to learn to use the computer again. Now in windows 8 again!

What are you talking about? What did you find so different then in 7 vs vista?
 

yjchua95

macrumors 604
Apr 23, 2011
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GVA, KUL, MEL (current), ZQN
Wait for the surface to come out. I think long term second generation of surface that runs full version of windows will be the standard. The keyboard clip on / cover is gonna big hit with biz users IMO.

Goodbye iPad.

I'd hate to use a flappy keyboard thingy that looks (and even feels) like it's about to come off any second. Oh, and it doesn't have a proper tactile feeling.
 

nickchallis92

macrumors 6502a
Mar 4, 2012
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London
windows 8 is bound to be more efficient that previous windows iterations so I don't see what the problem with it is. They won't make another vista mistake
 

Renzatic

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Bring up the charm bar, click the settings gear, click control panel.

Hit Windows key, type "cont", click control panel.

Or you can pin it to the Start page.

It's just as easy to find in Windows 8 as it is in 7. Maybe a little easier, considering you can bring up the charm bar any time while you're on the desktop.
 

talmy

macrumors 601
Oct 26, 2009
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Oregon
Bring up the charm bar, click the settings gear, click control panel.

Hit Windows key, type "cont", click control panel.

Or you can pin it to the Start page.

And this is easier than "click on Windows (AKA "Start"), click on Control Panel"?
Which is also how it was done at least as early as XP. Maybe 95/98 but I never used those.
 

Renzatic

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And this is easier than "click on Windows (AKA "Start"), click on Control Panel"?
Which is also how it was done at least as early as XP. Maybe 95/98 but I never used those.

Pin it to the Start page, and it's exactly the same. Otherwise the only thing they've changed is added an extra swipe, and grouped it with other similar system settings.

It's different, but I don't see it as being any worse.
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
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Windows 8 is fine. For those who hate metro, the desktop mode works like 7 anyway. I like the enhancements MS finally made. Although i spend more time in metro because it is just so fast for productivity stuff.
 

BluePhoenixRa

macrumors regular
May 19, 2012
216
3
Microsoft seems to want to make desktop PCs with touch screens. Is that what the market wants? For some reason, I don't think so.

2 years ago..I bought a HP TouchSmart, cause I was all.."It's gonna work great with my photoshop work!! Must buy nao!!!111!!!"

Haven't used it for a single design yet. Tried it, but, didn't seem so useful.

It's not completely a waste..I do use it sometimes..to scrub through videos/songs. To close widows when I'm standing up. To go to desktop by simply touching the lower right corner. Swiping anywhere on the screen to take it off sleep mode.

Sure, Win8 will make better use of it. But not enough sadly. Plus I am still iffy about Win8 cause they removed the Start Button.

But that's where the fun ends. Cant wait for a new computer soon. xD
 

ozaz

macrumors 68000
Feb 27, 2011
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I'm looking forward to it, even as a desktop OS

In spite of the headline feature of the touch optimised metro UI, the guts of the OS has not been neglected and Win 8 looks to me to be a better desktop OS than Win 7. There have been many useful enhancements unrelated to the metro UI that will surely benefit the desktop user, such as better backup and restore, file versions, better file transfer, improved explorer, faster boot, secure boot, windows to go, native usb 3, native ISO support.

Much better trackpads and trackpad gesture support is also going to be a corollary of Win 8, with trackpad gestures being an alternative way of navigating the metro UI.

I do admit, I would appreciate the option to switch off the new metro start screen and boot straight into desktop mode instead. But I don't blame Microsoft for not giving this option as they have to encourage people to use and hence buy metro apps from the windows store.

I'll be giving the metro start screen a try for a few weeks. If I can't get on with it, no big deal. A quick google search reveals there are a number of 3rd party tweaks already available to disable the metro start screen and get back the legacy start menu (yet still retain the ability to run metro style apps), including one from a well established developer of windows interface customization software: http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
 

Renzatic

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Sure, Win8 will make better use of it. But not enough sadly. Plus I am still iffy about Win8 cause they removed the Start Button.

The cool thing about having it as an invisible icon tucked in the far left corner is that it's basically an infinitely sized target. Once you know where it's at, you can move your cursor to the corn of the screen with a flick of the wrist, and click away. It's literally impossible to miss.
 

Technarchy

macrumors 604
May 21, 2012
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The fact that there is something called "charms" in Windows 8 is nauseating. Almost as bad as Metro.
 

Sedrick

macrumors 68030
Nov 10, 2010
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I'd be more inclined to move to current MS OS's if they didn't cost you $150 for an upgrade each time.

Any word on WP8 pricing?
 

talmy

macrumors 601
Oct 26, 2009
4,727
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Oregon
I'd be more inclined to move to current MS OS's if they didn't cost you $150 for an upgrade each time.

Any word on WP8 pricing?

They are following the cue from Apple's OS X pricing. $40 until the end of the year. Seems like a no-brainer to get a license.
 
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