What does Linus and Dave mean that M1 will 100% be replaced next year?

[macddy]

Its from Linus´s livestream where he talked with Dave Lee about the M1 and all the media around it.

They agreed that the M1 will defniately be smashed to the ground by something else next year, that the m1 will be obselete then. Can they be right about that? Linus compared it to the Apple Watch which apparently the first version got smashed by the second version by far.

But isnt it always like this? Every year comes a better mac, why are they so "defensive" about that or use it as critisism? Dont all companies do this? Strive to make something better every year?

Linus also ment that people who buy the new macs with the M1 will basically be beta-testers for apple.

Thoughts?

 

[Puonti]

They're not completely wrong, but they're also Youtubers. Youtubers need clicks, likes, subscriptions and comments and one way to get those is to amp things up.

 

[StellarVixen]

I am waiting for the next generation of MacBooks but not just because of M2, but because of mediocre 16 GB of RAM. I can’t live with that. I hope next gen will have at least 32.

 

[xxray]

My guess is it's just speculation based on the fact that Apple has a history of first-generation products becoming obsolete quicker than models afterwards.

For example, the original iPad only got 3 major software versions (stopped getting updates at iOS 6) while the iPad 2 got 6 major software versions (stopped getting updates at iOS 10).

Referring to the "beta-testers" comment, it's just the idea that early adopters of new technology likely will face more risk, more bugs, and less stability compared to mature technology. Macs with Apple Silicon have never been used by regular people or by a large number of people. Early adopters are going to be dealing with the transition period where a lot of apps might not be optimized for Apple Silicon yet, where some apps might be broken or not work as expected, some apps not available, etc. There are still a lot of details that are unknown regarding Apple Silicon Macs.

 

[Roller]

New chips and other tech come out all the time, but that doesn’t make previous hardware obsolete. Intel Macs will continue to work fine for years, as will M1 Macs, once more applications make the transition. I bought the first iPhone and Apple Watch knowing they would be superseded in a year, and never regretted it. If you’re risk-averse, it may be better to wait, but you don’t get to experience the latest.

 

[ChromeCloud]

The M1 is the featherweight of the new family of Apple Silicon processors for the Mac.

It’s the base SOC designed for low-end / thermally and battery constrained Macs.

Apple will most likely introduce a different SOC (M1 Pro?) for more expensive / less thermally constrained Macs next year.

So, yes, Apple will introduce a new processor next year that will completely obliterate the M1 in performance, but it will be available only in a different class of product (high-end MacBook Pro and iMac).

 

[bwillwall]

I am waiting for the next generation of MacBooks but not just because of M2, but because of mediocre 16 GB of RAM. I can’t live with that. I hope next gen will have at least 32.

Guys... they only released 3 low end Macs. the high end ones that come out will support more RAM. Not the next generation of the current ones released.

 

[neinjohn]

IMO it's a **** take or a fallacy ("things happened that way in the past and the past is a perfect predicament of the future") beyond a "be aware".

First we don't even know yet where the M1 truly stands on a 1-week test, we don't know the insides of the machine beyond the new SoC, we don't know what little things are different from a Intel model to a M1 model and won't know for maybe months to years if the Air, Pro or Mini has some hardware engineering stupidity (frail keyboards, short LVDS cables..) which incapacitate even the best of the CPUs.

On future predictions. Have some information leaked or a new product launched that promises another breakthrough on the potency a M1 has? As long as I know, nope. Some expected hardware changes? Yes, by rumours, Mini-LED and redesign.

 

[StellarVixen]

Guys... they only released 3 low end Macs. the high end ones that come out will support more RAM. Not the next generation of the current ones released.

I hope so. Since that RAM is not upgradeable, there is even more incentive to max out RAM on these machines.

 

[acidfast7_redux]

The M1 is simply the 8086 from Apple.

Intel 8086 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I expect it follow a similar iterative roadmap, albeit 40+ years later.

 

[boss.king]

Apple has a habit of not supporting first or even second gen devices as well or for as long as third gen and beyond. This might not necessarily be the case here since they’ve based these chips on the iPad ones and may have a better plan laid out for the M1, but who knows.

 

[wyatterp]

Bearing that the M2 is significantly upgraded - not sure how a chipset that's (at least in some benchies) as fast as a Ice Lake i7 will be obsolete (M2) in any way. Even if the M2 doubles performance next year - clearly when you look at the SpecINT chart between x86 and Apple Silicon that Anandtech published, it's clear why Apple went with their own silicon, and also that we will see likely the old "Moores Law" taking place with Apple Silicon and that each year will be a huge leap over the last for the forseeable future.

 

[bousozoku]

I am waiting for the next generation of MacBooks but not just because of M2, but because of mediocre 16 GB of RAM. I can’t live with that. I hope next gen will have at least 32.

How do you know that you will need more than that?

 

[RobbieTT]

I hope so. Since that RAM is not upgradeable, there is even more incentive to max out RAM on these machines.

It is worth viewing some of the M1 developer videos before coming to that conclusion. There are a number of complex tasks, including rendering complex frames, that can be performed without the traditional push into and then out of system memory. M1 capabilities such as Memoryless Render Targets means we are going to have to re-learn what we think about system memory.

Remember, system RAM is just an expensive way of doing precisely nothing with a chunk of data - it is not something we should crave. The ideal RAM model, with the highest bandwidth (ie infinite) and the lowest latency (ie zero) is the RAM that is not needed in order to complete a complex CPU/GPU/NE task. The M1 gets us closer to that point.

Tech Talks - Videos - Apple Developer

developer.apple.com

I've ordered a Mac mini with 8GB of memory - it will provide considerable headroom. It has been many years since I could last say that. I also don't fully understand the M1 either and it has been quite a while since I said something like that too.

Times are a changing.

It will be wild ride.

 

[UltimateSyn]

I’m sure the M1X will obliterate the M1 within six months time, but it will presumably draw 25W+ of power. Nothing is going to substantially beat the M1 at 10-15W until TSMC gets their 3nm process going in 2022, then Apple will use that for the M3.

 

[leman]

On its mobile lineup, Apple upgrades the chip every year. There is all reason to assume that the M-series will also follow the same schedule. From this perspective, claiming that M1 will be replaced next year is like claiming that there will be a new iPhone next year. Duh.

I expect the next year A15 to be a major step, possibly implementing ARMv9 and SVE2 for some major FP improvements. Still doesn’t change the fact that M1 machines are great devices.

 

[theluggage]

They agreed that the M1 will defniately be smashed to the ground by something else next year, that the m1 will be obselete then.

So will the 10th Gen Intel chips and all of those high-end PC GPUs that Linus likes to drop on the floor.

Linus has just decided that the clickbait for today is Apple-bashing (which, admittedly, is a great sport and often well-deserved, but maybe not in this case).

Also, what he doesn't seem to "get" (along with a lot of people on this forum) is that the 3 machines launched on Tuesday are the Apple's entry level offerings, and the replacement for their real "Pro" machines have yet to be announced. (Insofar as "pro" means anything, the 2-port 13" MBP is only called that because Apple used plain "MacBook" for something else).

So, yeah, in 6 months time there will probably be a 14" or 16" MacBook Pro with a M2/M1X/M1 Pro/whatever chip that stomps all over the M1 Air just like the 16" Intel MacBook Pro stomps all over the Intel MacBook Air. That's hardly a reflection on the MacBook Air though - if you want a "pro" Mac why would you buy an Air?

Now, it may be that we're going to see some radically re-designed Macs over the next year - I suspect that's going to be more about the switch to mini-LED and/or micro-LED displays than processor changes. I don't think there's any particular reason to believe that we'll see anything more powerful than the M1 in a $900-$1300 Laptop for at least a year.

Also, Linus made some silly comments about the new Macs just being iPads in a laptop form running MacOS. (a) That's not technically true and (b) if it was true, what's not to like about that? Even Linus has previously done a video in which he was impressed about what you could do on an iPad Pro.

The reason I won't be buying the new MacBook Air is because I don't want/need a MacBook Air.

To be fair, Apple set themselves up for this a bit by over-selling the "pro" credentials of the new Macs - and their ridiculous information-free performance graphs and speed comparisons deserve every bit of ridicule they've got from Linus, Snazzylabs etc. But, heck, Tuesday's video was always going to be an advert and not something to be watched without a sick bucket to hand.

 

[LonestarOne]

I don’t know if the anger Linus has shown toward the M1 in his YouTube videos is genuine or not, but either way, it’s not normal.

Even if you believe the new Macs are the worst computers ever built, it’s not worth getting that upset about.

I’ve never seen this guy’s videos before or not, so I don’t know — is he always like that?

 

[Spindel]

Who really cares?

Except for the satisfaction of AS stomping x86 even further into the ground

 

[thenewperson]

Who really cares?

Except for the satisfaction of AS stomping x86 even further into the ground

Exactly my position lol. If you've both been paying attention to Apple's A-series chip progression and their typical marketing speak some of those numbers they were throwing around weren't surprising..

 

[leman]

I don’t know if the anger Linus has shown toward the M1 in his YouTube videos is genuine or not, but either way, it’s not normal.

Even if you believe the new Macs are the worse computers ever built, it’s not worth getting that upset about it.

I’ve never seen this guy’s videos before or not, so I don’t know — is he always like that?

It brings those clicks in and get him reposts, and hey — its Youtuber's life! It's funny how people like to refer to poplar Youtubers as some sort of reference, completely forgetting that they are making money out of that stuff. The number of truly competent AND trustworthy people in that group is laughably small.

 

[mi7chy]

Probably end up like PowerPC and replaced with Ryzen 5000 mobile APUs.

 

[Joelist]

I made the mistake of watching the video - never again.

One problem is I think he makes the same mistake some others make, which is not understanding that Apple Silicon is not the same thing at all as other ARM based mobile SOCs. We saw this where he keeps expecting it to be subject to the same limitations as other ARM chips. It isn't because the microarchitecture is completely different He briefly mentioned then blew off the Anandtech article which actually does a good job (within the constraints of guesswork as they freely acknowledge) of describing the architecture - BIG, ultra wide pipes with out of order execution and super accurate branch prediction.

 

[deeddawg]

Guys... they only released 3 low end Macs. the high end ones that come out will support more RAM. Not the next generation of the current ones released.

Exactly. We'll likely next see four-port MBP models and perhaps a higher-tier Mini option. Then iMacs and perhaps Mac Pro at some point.

This doesn't mean the M1 Air or M1 two-port MBP will see any changes at that time.

Or anything can happen. Apple's gonna do what Apple's gonna do. If someone's concerned the ARM system they buy today is going to stop working in June 2021, don't buy it. If today's available ARM systems don't meet your needs, don't buy one.

 

[cmaier]

Its from Linus´s livestream where he talked with Dave Lee about the M1 and all the media around it.

They agreed that the M1 will defniately be smashed to the ground by something else next year, that the m1 will be obselete then. Can they be right about that? Linus compared it to the Apple Watch which apparently the first version got smashed by the second version by far.

But isnt it always like this? Every year comes a better mac, why are they so "defensive" about that or use it as critisism? Dont all companies do this? Strive to make something better every year?

Linus also ment that people who buy the new macs with the M1 will basically be beta-testers for apple.

Thoughts?

They are you tubers and they don’t know what they are talking about.