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Your battery life will be noticeably better with Mavericks or El Capitan.
my experience wont be tho better.....im stick'n with Mt LION!

woah.....that is inaccurate as those 2 OSX lasted 2 or less hours of battery life on the MBA.
Im getting 5 hours on MT Lion, a vast improvement from Mojave and Catalina 2 hrs or less
that was on this MBP in May24.

all my 3 macs i use only now run on MT Lion since that works bestest on those.
but House of Dragon™ season 2 is still drab and BLEEK on them!
 
What is the newest OS your can run (if not Leopard)? IIRC, Lion is required to run Chromium-legacy....
That was just an allusion to the fact that from 2003 to 2019 my primary Macs were all PowerPC and therefore 'stuck on Leopard'. Which meant having to find workarounds to do things like use iMessage and such. I did have a couple of Intels at the time, but my daily Mac didn't become Intel until 2019.

I'm running Sonoma (or soon will be) on my primary Macs now, while most of the rest are Snow Leopard only Macs.
 
my experience wont be tho better.....im stick'n with Mt LION!

woah.....that is inaccurate as those 2 OSX lasted 2 or less hours of battery life on the MBA.
Im getting 5 hours on MT Lion, a vast improvement from Mojave and Catalina 2 hrs or less
that was on this MBP in May24.
Well, yeah: those both default to an APFS filesystem getting jackhammered nonstop by Spotlight Indexing. (Mojave can be tweaked and "saved"; Catalina is a demon-seed lost-cause IMO.)

This video does a good rundown of why Mavericks is superior to any "cat" OS in terms of battery management; start watching at 11:50 for the relevant part.
 
That was just an allusion to the fact that from 2003 to 2019 my primary Macs were all PowerPC and therefore 'stuck on Leopard'. Which meant having to find workarounds to do things like use iMessage and such.
What were you using as a "modern" browser (or weren't you)?
 
Can you elaborate on this please?

Activate Show Toolbar and Show Sidebar. Now try to open folder in new window by double-clicking on it.

New folder always opened in new window since System 2 and up to 10.8. Now the same function requires modifier key. :mad: Talk about 30 years of muscle memory.

P.S. Low contrast and lack of color in visual elements is another issue, but that at least can be partially dealt with.
 
What were you using as a "modern" browser (or weren't you)?
I was using TenFourFox on a Quad G5 with 16GB ram. I had an optimized profile for T4Fx because I'd spent several years tweaking Firefox and other Mozilla browsers before moving to T4Fx. Lastly, I had the T4Fx cache and user profile set up to work off a ram disk, with the app also stored there. So everything was as fast as I possibly could make it go.

But right around 2019 is when things started breaking and not working as well. T4Fx wasn't being maintained and a Mac Pro 4,1 finally came in to my price range. So, that was it and my days of using PowerPC Macs as daily drivers for anything (except for file sharing) were done.
 
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Activate Show Toolbar and Show Sidebar. Now try to open folder in new window by double-clicking on it.

New folder always opened in new window since System 2 and up to 10.8. Now the same function requires modifier key. :mad: Talk about 30 years of muscle memory.

P.S. Low contrast and lack of color in visual elements is another issue, but that at least can be partially dealt with.
I think that started earlier than Mavericks. I can remember being annoyed at MacOS in 2013 for that.
 
This video does a good rundown of why Mavericks is superior to any "cat" OS in terms of battery management; start watching at 11:50 for the relevant part.
Mavericks was the first taste of a bad  for me, every from there went sour.

if "bhudaah only knows why" I went to mavericks i should box these wonderful Early Intel macs
and start using my 2020 M1s and be les mizerables!

as for the video, i need to figure out these House of Dragon videos first......
 
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BTY i just finished the graphics on my CS4Deamweaver website
(img folder: 496,078,114 bytes (497.3 MB on disk) for 370 items)
i hope "teh internets" accepts such dinosaurusic tech today!

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I was using TenFourFox on a Quad G5 with 16GB ram. I had an optimized profile for T4Fx because I'd spent several years tweaking Firefox and other Mozilla browsers before moving to T4Fx. Lastly, I had the T4Fx cache and user profile set up to work off a ram disk, with the app also stored there. So everything was as fast as I possibly could make it go.
My current go-to browsers are Basilisk (Firefox-type) with TabMixPlus (for multi-row tabs) and ThinTabs being the go-to add-ons:
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Regrettably, it's not "modern", with YouTube especially becoming snippy in the last half-year. It uses about half the ram of WaterFox Classic (moribund since 11/'22). I use Chromium-legacy for "modern" needs, but like all chrome knockoffs, it'll delete all user settings (including bookmarks and extensions) if the hardware profile changes.
But right around 2019 is when things started breaking and not working as well. T4Fx wasn't being maintained and a Mac Pro 4,1 finally came in to my price range. So, that was it and my days of using PowerPC Macs as daily drivers for anything (except for file sharing) were done.
What is your price-range? $50? ...If you're remotely close to a metro area, the local recyclers scrap enough unloved yet perfectly-good Macs every week that it'd make everyone bawl in tears if they knew. I'm talking good mid-era intel machines, not beige junk. I've picked up 2012/13 27" thinsides for $40 whose owners throw them out after Catalina choked their drives to a crawl. All the poor things needed was a little love (in the form of Mojave in an HFS+ partition), and the native USB3 makes them better impromptu file-servers and/or download platforms than the old towers.
 
My current go-to browsers are Basilisk (Firefox-type) with TabMixPlus (for multi-row tabs) and ThinTabs being the go-to add-ons:
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Regrettably, it's not "modern", with YouTube especially becoming snippy in the last half-year. It uses about half the ram of WaterFox Classic (moribund since 11/'22). I use Chromium-legacy for "modern" needs, but like all chrome knockoffs, it'll delete all user settings (including bookmarks and extensions) if the hardware profile changes.

What is your price-range? $50? ...If you're remotely close to a metro area, the local recyclers scrap enough unloved yet perfectly-good Macs every week that it'd make everyone bawl in tears if they knew. I'm talking good mid-era intel machines, not beige junk. I've picked up 2012/13 27" thinsides for $40 whose owners throw them out after Catalina choked their drives to a crawl. All the poor things needed was a little love (in the form of Mojave in an HFS+ partition), and the native USB3 makes them better impromptu file-servers and/or download platforms than the old towers.
I use Vivaldi now, which gives me Chrome addons but the GUI is customizable and it functions a lot like Opera which is the browser I used for years before Firefox/T4Fx. Vivaldi is from the same dev that created Opera. It works from High Sierra on up. It might work on earlier versions.

My price range is the same as it's been since around 2009 when I first needed to get another Mac. Around $150 to $250. Unfortunately, although I live in Phoenix, AZ, there are few computer recyclers here - unless I'm missing something. Those that I've found are not close and do not actually seem to be customer accessible. I've had way more luck with eBay and craigslist.
 
My price range is the same as it's been since around 2009 when I first needed to get another Mac. Around $150 to $250. Unfortunately, although I live in Phoenix, AZ, there are few computer recyclers here - unless I'm missing something.
Phoenix? Keep an eye on estate-sales, office clear-outs, and other polyglot auctions, because most of the people bidding aren't there for computers. --But getting to know recyclers is always the best.
 
Phoenix? Keep an eye on estate-sales, office clear-outs, and other polyglot auctions, because most of the people bidding aren't there for computers. --But getting to know recyclers is always the best.
Yeah, any recyclers are going to be located downtown or in the industrial areas south of Interstate 10. That'll be a 20 minute trip at minimum (I live in the West Valley). I work from home and we are a one car family with 4 people going four different places. Justifying a trip 20 minutes away to a recycler in the industrial area can be done but my wife is going to be wondering why I'm adding yet another Mac to the 15 or so Macs I already have. I would be wondering to myself why I am doing that.

craigslist or eBay (or Reddit, where I've gotten a few things) is just simpler/easier. If I lived closer to that part of town it'd probably be the opposite. However, if I lived closer to that part of town I'd be less likely to even be making the income I make now. Just sayin'.
 
This week, I became a beta tester for a programmer who is working on a remake of a classic 80s British computer game. Being able to gauge the beta version on a selection of Intel Macs with differing specifications and OS releases is a big help to them. So I've been working through noting how it performs on i5 and i7 MBPs down to a C2D MBA.

Ordinarily I'd share some images but the project is pretty secretive at the moment. When that changes, I shall reveal the details. :)

What I can share, however is what I've done with my 2011 MBP tonight: watch this documentary on the world's last Blockbuster store.

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Of course, VLC is the default choice for media files and I'm running High Sierra.

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If you're a fan of documentaries, you'll enjoy this one. It's funny, sad, engrossing, enlightening and thought provoking with a large number of participants from Hollywood and former senior figures at Blockbuster.

TLDR:

As an aside, we also had the Blockbuster chain in the UK and I remember when the first store opened here in the late 80s. During the latter seasons of Star Trek: Voyager and Deep Space Nine, I'd use them to rent new episodes because I didn't have subscription TV but eventually I found a cheaper - and better Indy store for that. :)

Right into the final years, I'd visit my local Blockbusters to buy new and used DVDs. Nowadays I have to obtain Blu-rays/DVDs from Amazon or eBay and some stuff was never available from UK retail stores anyway - like Criterion's titles.
 
This week, I became a beta tester for a programmer who is working on a remake of a classic 80s British computer game. Being able to gauge the beta version on a selection of Intel Macs with differing specifications and OS releases is a big help to them. So I've been working through noting how it performs on i5 and i7 MBPs down to a C2D MBA.

Ordinarily I'd share some images but the project is pretty secretive at the moment. When that changes, I shall reveal the details. :)

What I can share, however is what I've done with my 2011 MBP tonight: watch this documentary on the world's last Blockbuster store.

4ohsNwN.png


Of course, VLC is the default choice for media files and I'm running High Sierra.

aqhoXQx.png


KDThSSq.png


9nnvvEu.png


If you're a fan of documentaries, you'll enjoy this one. It's funny, sad, engrossing, enlightening and thought provoking with a large number of participants from Hollywood and former senior figures at Blockbuster.

TLDR:

As an aside, we also had the Blockbuster chain in the UK and I remember when the first store opened here in the late 80s. During the latter seasons of Star Trek: Voyager and Deep Space Nine, I'd use them to rent new episodes because I didn't have subscription TV but eventually I found a cheaper - and better Indy store for that. :)

Right into the final years, I'd visit my local Blockbusters to buy new and used DVDs. Nowadays I have to obtain Blu-rays/DVDs from Amazon or eBay and some stuff was never available from UK retail stores anyway - like Criterion's titles.
I still have my Blockbuster card. I just can't use it! :(
 
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This week, I became a beta tester for a programmer who is working on a remake of a classic 80s British computer game. Being able to gauge the beta version on a selection of Intel Macs with differing specifications and OS releases is a big help to them. So I've been working through noting how it performs on i5 and i7 MBPs down to a C2D MBA.

Ordinarily I'd share some images but the project is pretty secretive at the moment. When that changes, I shall reveal the details. :)

What I can share, however is what I've done with my 2011 MBP tonight: watch this documentary on the world's last Blockbuster store.

4ohsNwN.png


Of course, VLC is the default choice for media files and I'm running High Sierra.

aqhoXQx.png


KDThSSq.png


9nnvvEu.png


If you're a fan of documentaries, you'll enjoy this one. It's funny, sad, engrossing, enlightening and thought provoking with a large number of participants from Hollywood and former senior figures at Blockbuster.

TLDR:

As an aside, we also had the Blockbuster chain in the UK and I remember when the first store opened here in the late 80s. During the latter seasons of Star Trek: Voyager and Deep Space Nine, I'd use them to rent new episodes because I didn't have subscription TV but eventually I found a cheaper - and better Indy store for that. :)

Right into the final years, I'd visit my local Blockbusters to buy new and used DVDs. Nowadays I have to obtain Blu-rays/DVDs from Amazon or eBay and some stuff was never available from UK retail stores anyway - like Criterion's titles.

Please don’t pillory me too heavily for this: I have no nostalgia at all for Blockbuster, and there’s sort of a valid reason for it.

I used to work for a regional music and video chain, a partial competitor, which had been around well before Blockbuster went national and turned up on every street. Our stores were founded on selling music — vinyls, cassettes, CDs, and even MiniDisc and DCCs right at the end — but also sold mostly music-oriented VHS tapes (like concerts and music video compilations). We sold Discmans and Walkmans and portable stereos, along with a remarkable variety of blank magnetic media — from cheap, normal-bias cassettes (a brick of five maybe for $8) to metal-bias Sony ceramic series cassettes (they’d go for up to $16 for two, 90-minute blanks, in 1991 freedom dollars.)

Larger locations — namely, locations not inside shopping malls — had pretty robust video rental departments, coupled with a modest sales selection of films on VHS and LaserDisc (usually, recent/new titles not being sold for $80, but for $20). On the last bit, we competed directly with Blockbuster and held our own quite well. Our stores were, typically, open until midnight, seven days a week. On weekends, business would stay brisk right up until closing time.

(Somewhat ironically, our store’s brand mark was also yellow-on-blue, but had been around since 1972; Blockbuster opened in 1985, and unapologetically mirrored the scheme.)

I was considering to go into a long description of how Blockbuster, buying out the chain I worked for in 1992, absolutely ruined music retail by trying to impose their video rental formula and culture onto the one which made, ours, Sound Warehouse, do as well as it did. But I just found someone did a fairly accurate historical overview of what happened.

I’ll still add a few notes from my experiences during the few years I worked for them (both).


Post-buyout by Blockbuster, in 1992, our stores were re-badged as Blockbuster Music by mid-1993. They didn’t last very long: by 1998, they were sold off, and those music locations went bankrupt maybe three or four years after that. I left just under a year after Blockbuster’s buyout, as re-branding took over and managers were sent to meetings with Blockbuster corporate management, who presented their vision of what they’d turn our stores into.

Their big, uh, humid dream: deprecate, then eliminate special orders — sort of our killer feature (we had a few, actually) — using a then-non-existent technology they envisioned: print-on-demand CDs and sleeve art, downloaded from some central server. All the while, the customer would wait.

Their hubris: they never paused to factor in the tech limits of the time or how much people would be willing to wait and pay for, basically, inferior media (basically, bootleg-quality). T1 connections were costly and scarce (T3 hadn’t really taken hold yet, and the whole World Wide Web had, maybe, 20 or 30 sites). CD-Rs at the time were still more costly, per blank (about $30), than any pre-recorded, glass-master, mass-produced CD. Printing tech would have been some glorified colour laser printer with (probably) a Canon engine. “While-you wait” would take probably a couple of hours, per title, and the company would be taking a massive, per-unit loss to be selling them for the same price as the real thing.

Blockbuster completely overlooked how music buyers and collectors wanted something they could hold, which was, basically, official, tangible, and lasting.

There was also the odious dress code imposition upon women and men both, which saw a lot of the most successful locations’ other killer feature — the extensive, collective, varied knowledge of staff — leave. Most of the most knowledgeable staff ranged from ages 17 to 30, and that is really not the time or place to be imposing uniformity on basically a bunch of musicians, DJs, and cinephiles working their day gig to make a living. We weren’t an office supply store.

When Blockbuster were later served and humbled by Netflix, I was OK with it. “Wow, what a difference,” indeed.
 
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My uncle owned 3 record/stereo shops in Paterson-Passiac, NJ until 1984
the only music stores left in that area is a Japanese one since 1985 thanks to books kunokuni-ya,
many latino shops on Main Street in hackensack
and several used CD shops that are obscure to find.
also public libraries carry everything on disc entertainment wise from last century a well.
obviously the streaming service took over.
there was a nice docu on the fall of the CD this year that was worthy of "who dunit"
and the demise of MM release in 2004.
 
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