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I’ve actually invested more time, energy and money into my G3 B&W than any other Mac- and sadly, it still disappoints. I much prefer the G4 Sawtooth in so many ways, especially the reliability. I bet yours will continue to serve you a couple more years.
I think sooner, rather than later my grand, sweeping load out of Macs, devices and tech stuff is going to dwindle out. I'll still have my multiple monitors (but less) but I'm already just considering one example of an era while investing in stuff that's going to last longer and be more modern.

The older I get, the more stuff I realize I don't want. I've never needed this stuff, but I wanted it because I enjoyed making things work. But, I'm finding that it satisfies less and less while becoming more and more of an irritating chore. I guess that's life. You get older and certain stuff matters less than it did 10 or 20 years ago. I can also say I had my time with it and the memories are scattered all around MacRumors.

In any case, I'm just very tired of 'fixing' stuff that shouldn't be broken in the first place.
 
Hi again :).

I don't like the idea to have HDD in my A1342 (I will call it so :) ). So got this 2 devices :D. As you can see, Time Machine backup of Snow Lepard is in progress. After wards I'll backup High Sierra. I want to install 4 OSes, Mojave (if this laptop compatible with OpenCore package for legacy macs), Snow Leopard, m.b. Win7 (or even 11, as Insider Preview) & finally - thinking of Fedora Core (Rawhide). Can some please advice how much space I'll need for each MacOS version? (My idea was to equally divide both SSds, 240 Gb for each OS, probably with some game and software on each).
 

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The older I get, the more stuff I realize I don't want. I've never needed this stuff, but I wanted it because I enjoyed making things work. But, I'm finding that it satisfies less and less while becoming more and more of an irritating chore.
Yeah I know where you’re at. I need to slim down my collection as it’s just not fun any more keeping it all going. Having to buy batteries for machines I rarely use doesn’t make much sense. I’ve enjoyed my time rebuilding these but now I just need machines which just work.
 
I want to install 4 OSes, Mojave (if this laptop compatible with OpenCore package for legacy macs), Snow Leopard, m.b. Win7 (or even 11, as Insider Preview) & finally - thinking of Fedora Core (Rawhide). Can some please advice how much space I'll need for each MacOS version? (My idea was to equally divide both SSds, 240 Gb for each OS, probably with some game and software on each).
OCLP is Big Sur+, and only runs well on 6-8GB+ (in my short experience with 4GB on a 2010 A1342, the performance was terrible on 4GB). If you want Mojave or Catalina, you should use the dosdude1 patcher instead. I ran Snow Leopard + Big Sur on a A1342 7,1 for a while, RAM as I said wasn't fun on Big Sur but overall ran fine.

240GB is a good sweetspot for if you want to have lots of files/apps on each OS. Often, since most of my SSD's are 240GB or lower in capacity, I end up with 80-160GB partitions which are fine on older OS X versions since I have secondary drives in desktop machines + shared network drives for those and laptops.
 
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OCLP is Big Sur+, and only runs well on 6-8GB+
Hmm... My A1342 have 8Gb onboard currently. Will try OC first, if nothing works - then rollback to dosdude1 patcher :). BTW, what about nVidia suppport in Mojave? At least about that silly little GeForce 320 (or what model is there, don't remember :) ). About disk partitioning - I think I've got some ideas :).
 
Rescued data of some DVD-R/s I wrote 15 yrs ago. Thought I’d lost it all when 2 relatively new drives couldn’t read them. Then I remembered this old girl:
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It’s a FireWire DVD burner from 2003/4 - hooked up to my Blackbook and read them without a problem 😁
I guess they don’t make them like this any more.
 
Rescued data of some DVD-R/s I wrote 15 yrs ago. Thought I’d lost it all when 2 relatively new drives couldn’t read them. Then I remembered this old girl:View attachment 2098041
It’s a FireWire DVD burner from 2003/4 - hooked up to my Blackbook and read them without a problem 😁
I guess they don’t make them like this any more.
I have a LaCie FW400 burner as well, but mine is the 2006-7 model. Still works perfectly, unlike modern thin USB optical drives which in my experience die if you blow on them.
 
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I think sooner, rather than later my grand, sweeping load out of Macs, devices and tech stuff is going to dwindle out. I'll still have my multiple monitors (but less) but I'm already just considering one example of an era while investing in stuff that's going to last longer and be more modern.

The older I get, the more stuff I realize I don't want. I've never needed this stuff, but I wanted it because I enjoyed making things work. But, I'm finding that it satisfies less and less while becoming more and more of an irritating chore. I guess that's life. You get older and certain stuff matters less than it did 10 or 20 years ago. I can also say I had my time with it and the memories are scattered all around MacRumors.

In any case, I'm just very tired of 'fixing' stuff that shouldn't be broken in the first place.
Wise words. I moved last year and sold or gave away most Macs of my collection. A couple of G4 PowerMacs, a G3 PowerMac, an iMac G5, some displays. Don't really have the space for them anymore and lack the energy to take care of them. I just kept stuff that I actually use - which is still a lot.
 
Wise words. I moved last year and sold or gave away most Macs of my collection. A couple of G4 PowerMacs, a G3 PowerMac, an iMac G5, some displays. Don't really have the space for them anymore and lack the energy to take care of them. I just kept stuff that I actually use - which is still a lot.
Space has never been an issue. I became adept at making the things I want fit in the space I have when I was a kid. Purpose, or use, has never been an issue. I can generate a purpose for a Mac or a device that 'justifies' it being there (as if I need a justification) even if it's a one trick pony type of thing that could be handled by something else.

In India, I understand that multiple jobs are often the norm for the type of thing Americans would see as one job. For instance, your grocery checkout employee scans your items, rings you up, takes payment, bags your groceries and loads your cart. In India they might have have multiple people to do each step.

That's me with the purposes for my Macs.

I'm just getting tired of maintaining all this stuff for all the various purposes. Case in point, the removal of my G3 server. Attach the 2TB drive enclosure to my MacPro. Now my MacPro is hosting the drive and not the G3. That was the G3's sole purpose. I'm not fixing it to put it back to that singular purpose.

At some point there will be multiple craigslist ads I think for various Macs/parts/devices. I've had my time and I'm just tired of it all.
 
Space has never been an issue. I became adept at making the things I want fit in the space I have when I was a kid. Purpose, or use, has never been an issue. I can generate a purpose for a Mac or a device that 'justifies' it being there (as if I need a justification) even if it's a one trick pony type of thing that could be handled by something else.

In India, I understand that multiple jobs are often the norm for the type of thing Americans would see as one job. For instance, your grocery checkout employee scans your items, rings you up, takes payment, bags your groceries and loads your cart. In India they might have have multiple people to do each step.

That's me with the purposes for my Macs.

I'm just getting tired of maintaining all this stuff for all the various purposes. Case in point, the removal of my G3 server. Attach the 2TB drive enclosure to my MacPro. Now my MacPro is hosting the drive and not the G3. That was the G3's sole purpose. I'm not fixing it to put it back to that singular purpose.

At some point there will be multiple craigslist ads I think for various Macs/parts/devices. I've had my time and I'm just tired of it all.

I will say bringing SSDs to my older systems has reduced, in aggregate over several years, the downtime frequency of the Macs I’ve kept. This is also what made having lots of Macs in concurrent use awfully inviting.

Which has, consequently, highlighted the next sticking issue — one you noted earlier — as being an expense which questions keeping some of my older, purpose-use gear around: namely, the cost of replacing batteries (whose qualities, relative to the OEM unit, have also steadily diminished). For my Intel-based laptops, a dead (or removed) battery amounts to having a partial computer. By the same token, the consumables cost of replacing batteries every two or three years (instead of, say every five years) is, steadily, becoming less and less worth it.

For example, the 2011 MBP I bought new has exhausted three batteries (the last two suffering the dreaded bulging issue) and, for the last couple of years, has been relegated to ancillary duty because I’m not eager to buy another non-OEM battery anytime soon, yet can’t rationalize (for now) a reason to spend a lot of money on an NOS, OEM battery — these days, locally speaking, more than what it would have cost direct from Apple.

I’m not sure what that means from now on — though it’s noteworthy to mention how virtually all my spare parts and Macs in queue for repair and/or restoration are all portables.
 
I will say bringing SSDs to my older systems has reduced, in aggregate over several years, the downtime frequency of the Macs I’ve kept. This is also what made having lots of Macs in concurrent use awfully inviting.

Which has, consequently, highlighted the next sticking issue — one you noted earlier — as being an expense which questions keeping some of my older, purpose-use gear around: namely, the cost of replacing batteries (whose qualities, relative to the OEM unit, have also steadily diminished). For my Intel-based laptops, a dead (or removed) battery amounts to having a partial computer. By the same token, the consumables cost of replacing batteries every two or three years (instead of, say every five years) is, steadily, becoming less and less worth it.

For example, the 2011 MBP I bought new has exhausted three batteries (the last two suffering the dreaded bulging issue) and, for the last couple of years, has been relegated to ancillary duty because I’m not eager to buy another non-OEM battery anytime soon, yet can’t rationalize (for now) a reason to spend a lot of money on an NOS, OEM battery — these days, locally speaking, more than what it would have cost direct from Apple.

I’m not sure what that means from now on — though it’s noteworthy to mention how virtually all my spare parts and Macs in queue for repair and/or restoration are all portables.
Yeah, consumables and their replacement times are a pain. One of the reasons I've not bothered with the batteries on a lot of my laptops. They tend to sit on charger and those that do not swell (PowerBooks) I just leave alone. Those that do (2008 MBP) are simply removed.

A lot of this stuff is just powered on and idling.

It's one thing if the stuff is just performing. But if I try something new, or move things around - I can expect problems. I tried that slot thing with my G3 and moved cards around. Now the G3 is not functioning at all and the G4 isn't accepting two 4-port PCI SATA cards. It's still working with the two-port, although a network card 'failed' shortly after the swapping around of stuff I did with the G3.

I spent two hours troubleshooting the G3. I'm not inclined to do more.

I added in the 20 inch Cinema Display to the MacPro. A week, week and a half later the 23" Cinema Display decides to fail. I'm sure all of this is coincidence, but it's a primary reason I hate messing with stuff after I've got it up and running. Invariably, what should be a few minutes of changes/addons ends up becoming a troubleshooting session. I'm 52 and I'm tired of spending time with equipment that should (WAS) just fine and working five minutes ago! And because of my setups, nothing is easy to access and I've got cords everywhere.

So, for me, this unplanned and unwelcome maintenance is very annoying. I'm not on the bleeding edge of Apple equipment, but I may have to get closer.
 
Yeah, consumables and their replacement times are a pain. One of the reasons I've not bothered with the batteries on a lot of my laptops. They tend to sit on charger and those that do not swell (PowerBooks) I just leave alone. Those that do (2008 MBP) are simply removed.

A lot of this stuff is just powered on and idling.

'This reminds me of a question/request I posted on here a while back, asking whether there was a known utility which could configure how often — and to what degree — a battery could be recharged. The idea behind this was to enable one to set an easy configuration — like in a prefPane — to get a recharge to halt at, say, 80 or 90 per cent, instead of continuing to the system default of “topped off”. This could extend the serviceable lifetime of said consumables.

Unfortunately, the response I got from the thread question was lacklustre at best, and seemed to focus more on back-end, developer-oriented steps one might be able to take, or upgrade the OS to a much more recent version to use one of a couple shareware solutions (Charge Limiter was the suggestion). The latter might be fine — except for those older systems which either cannot run a newer OS or which can, but one is also willing to accept the performance hit from running the unsupported OS on early Intel Macs. For the Macs on which I still run Snow Leopard, this isn’t really an option.

It's one thing if the stuff is just performing. But if I try something new, or move things around - I can expect problems. I tried that slot thing with my G3 and moved cards around. Now the G3 is not functioning at all and the G4 isn't accepting two 4-port PCI SATA cards. It's still working with the two-port, although a network card 'failed' shortly after the swapping around of stuff I did with the G3.

I spent two hours troubleshooting the G3. I'm not inclined to do more.

Indeed. Then there’s also the periodic commitment to set aside time and money to do a thorough disassembly and clean-out of everything on the gear you do want to keep around. Unless one enjoys doing full disassemblies and clean-outs, then the effort might not be worthwhile (I guess a similar principle also could apply to folks who keep old cars running and maintained, which also requires a lot of money, time, and elbow grease).

I’m thinking about this a lot lately because I am willing to, one more time, take apart my G5 and try something new for cooling the troublesome memory controller heatsink (really, it’s more about planning winter indoor tasks, as one does where it snows and there’s less than 9 hours of daylight). But after that? I won’t be touching it again, unless it’s to dust it out and put it up for sale, in hopes another local collector can take up the mantle of keeping it running.

I added in the 20 inch Cinema Display to the MacPro. A week, week and a half later the 23" Cinema Display decides to fail. I'm sure all of this is coincidence, but it's a primary reason I hate messing with stuff after I've got it up and running. Invariably, what should be a few minutes of changes/addons ends up becoming a troubleshooting session. I'm 52 and I'm tired of spending time with equipment that should (WAS) just fine and working five minutes ago! And because of my setups, nothing is easy to access and I've got cords everywhere.

So, for me, this unplanned and unwelcome maintenance is very annoying. I'm not on the bleeding edge of Apple equipment, but I may have to get closer.

Yah. I’m not much younger than you are, and I’m also sort of hitting that point. That said, my future “newer” gear will probably be something other than what Apple’s been producing, and I’ll probably be committing myself to either Linux or BSD.
 
Yah. I’m not much younger than you are, and I’m also sort of hitting that point. That said, my future “newer” gear will probably be something other than what Apple’s been producing, and I’ll probably be committing myself to either Linux or BSD.
I've said this here before, but I will repeat it. At some point I see myself switching to a Linux box. I feel that Linux has matured to a point that it's fairly bulletproof. I can recall bringing some Red Hat discs home in 2002 or so and not having any clue what to do with them.

There seem to be enough options out there with Linux that I can choose my path. I used to build PCs so going back to cheaper, but modern hardware is going to be a boon because stuff will be supported. And it's newer, so short of defects it's going to work and work with the newer stuff.

And…I have an ace in the hole of sorts. :) My son is at ASU right now for a degree in IT. Although, he's too embarrassed to talk this stuff with me (because he realized I actually KNOW a bit about it) I'm going to use him as a resource at some point. :)
 
So, for me, this unplanned and unwelcome maintenance is very annoying. I'm not on the bleeding edge of Apple equipment, but I may have to get closer.
If you're wanting to get slightly more modern/reliable monitors, I'd suggest going with the LED Cinema Display (generation after yours, before Thunderbolt so MDP), they are glossy screens but the brightness makes up for it.

Also, for when/if the 30's fail, the Dell U3011 and 3014 are good replacements. Same size and resolution as the 30" ACD but LED instead of CCFL so no yellow or pink casts on the screen, have more inputs and no huge power brick.

You could replace the 23" ACD that you've got in portait with a 24" Cinema Display for example. I don't think there are any modern replacement models for a 20" 1050p display though.
 
If you're wanting to get slightly more modern/reliable monitors, I'd suggest going with the LED Cinema Display (generation after yours, before Thunderbolt so MDP), they are glossy screens but the brightness makes up for it.

Also, for when/if the 30's fail, the Dell U3011 and 3014 are good replacements. Same size and resolution as the 30" ACD but LED instead of CCFL so no yellow or pink casts on the screen, have more inputs and no huge power brick.

You could replace the 23" ACD that you've got in portait with a 24" Cinema Display for example. I don't think there are any modern replacement models for a 20" 1050p display though.
I am considering not replacing it at all (the 23" CD). Or, with a different type of display altogether, IDK. I'm considering a different layout on this desk now, rearranging things and such. We'll see.

In the future, when there is money, I did intend to pair one of my Mini's with a curved display (just one). Something I may consider for the MP as well, IDK. I've also thought of your suggestion.

In the long run, none of it matters at the moment. This setup I've had for awhile (and ones in the past) are seen as temporary in my mind. Once my daughter moves out (a few years, she's 14 right now) I get her room back and then my setup becomes permanent. Perhaps a few years with lesser/different monitors might inform how I am going to set that up.

Whenever that happens though, this time around the layout is going to allow for easy access and I suspect no more than three monitors.
 
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In the long run, none of it matters at the moment. This setup I've had for awhile (and ones in the past) are seen as temporary in my mind. Once my daughter moves out (a few years, she's 14 right now) I get her room back and then my setup becomes permanent. Perhaps a few years with lesser/different monitors might inform how I am going to set that up.
I'm 10 years younger than you are but I guess there is no such thing as a permanent setup. Stuff breaks, new requirements arise, technology changes. I was happy and content with my 2010 Mac Pro when I got the offer to work two times a week at a local color grading company and edit 6k raw material in spring 2020 - both impossible with my desktop tower. So I bought a (refurb) high speced 8 core 16" MacBook Pro, thinking "ha, they just changed the form factor and moved to 8 cores in a laptop, I'm set for years to come." Two months later the switch to ARM was announced. Now here I am just two and a half years later hoping my machine will support the latest Mac OS - and with it the latest version of DaVinci Resolve for the foreseeable future.

And I'm also tired of changing things. I have two 27" 1440p Eizos in my home office, one I bought in 2015 and the other one I got used for filming a wedding in 2019. Sometimes I think about buying a 32" 4k screen, but then I'd have to rearrange everything and the Eizos still work ok, so I'll rather spend the money on a family vaccation.

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If you're wanting to get slightly more modern/reliable monitors, I'd suggest going with the LED Cinema Display (generation after yours, before Thunderbolt so MDP), they are glossy screens but the brightness makes up for it.

Also, for when/if the 30's fail, the Dell U3011 and 3014 are good replacements. Same size and resolution as the 30" ACD but LED instead of CCFL so no yellow or pink casts on the screen, have more inputs and no huge power brick.

You could replace the 23" ACD that you've got in portait with a 24" Cinema Display for example. I don't think there are any modern replacement models for a 20" 1050p display though.
I’ve had awfully bad luck with those old 24” cinema displays. I’ve gone through three now, and all of them failed when the backlight circuit died after only a few months of use (at near-max brightness).
 
At some point I see myself switching to a Linux box. I feel that Linux has matured to a point that it's fairly bulletproof. I can recall bringing some Red Hat discs home in 2002 or so and not having any clue what to do with them.
I’ve played with Linux on and off since 2003 and it’s so much better now (if you stick with one of the large user friendly distros). However, what kept bringing me back to Mac was the disjointed and disconnected feel. The BASH terminal is reassuringly familiar but even on the major business supported distros, there is still stuff that either doesn’t just work or is counter-intuitive and mentally grates. Ubuntu is a good place to start but you will need to be prepared to spend a fair chunk of time getting it to a place where it doesn’t wind you up.
 
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