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I don't know about anybody else, but as an audio professional one of the biggest issues I have is with machine noise. When all the components of a computer are INSIDE the monitor, that's kind of a problem. So getting one of these would necessitate having the imac in a machine room and not using its screen at all, which seems preposterous.

Bring on the Mac Pro.
 
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I don't know about anybody else, but as an audio professional one of the biggest issues I have is with machine noise. When all the components of a computer are INSIDE the monitor, that's kind of a problem. So getting one of these would necessitate having the imac in a machine room and not using its screen at all, which seems preposterous.

There is a really really easy solution to that!!!! Don't buy it for that purpose.
 
There is a really really easy solution to that!!!! Don't buy it for that purpose.

Is this a '**** audio people' post? The other solution is ancient slow Mac Pros of the current abandoned lineup. Just saying this is not a stopgap solution for us like it might be for more video focused people.
 
Is this a '**** audio people' post? The other solution is ancient slow Mac Pros of the current abandoned lineup. Just saying this is not a stopgap solution for us like it might be for more video focused people.

I see this all the time in the camera world. A new camera comes out and it doesn't suit one specific style of photography, of course people are very vocal about that.

Is it not easy to just say. "hey this is really cool. Nice one Apple, it doesn't suit my needs but is still a great computer."

All I'm getting at is obviously an all in one does not work for you. May I recommend seeing what happens when the new Mac Pro comes out. That may work better for you.
 
All I'm getting at is obviously an all in one does not work for you. May I recommend seeing what happens when the new Mac Pro comes out. That may work better for you.

Fair enough. I did add 'bring on the Mac Pro' to the end of my post to make it less negative, but it was after you replied.
 
I don't know about anybody else, but as an audio professional one of the biggest issues I have is with machine noise. When all the components of a computer are INSIDE the monitor, that's kind of a problem. So getting one of these would necessitate having the imac in a machine room and not using its screen at all, which seems preposterous.
they did rework the cooling system.
it might be quiet and i'm assuming the concerns you have with audio production were concerns shared by the design team.
 
Not if they truly make the MP configurable. Not everyone needs 8+ cores and the best graphics cards money can buy. A LOT of people (like myself) use the tower for expandability (drive bays), user configurability (RAM slots), low noise (have yet to hear a quiet iMac or MBP under heavy load) and greater choice for display options. (not everyone needs 4 & 5K displays).
Exactly. The base configuration might be quite attractive price wise.
 
MP 7,1 will have to have the following configs available at the top end:

- dual socket to at least double this core count
- 1TB ECC RAM
- more internal storage than 4TB SSD - maybe quadruple that in NVME
- 6-10 TB3 ports
- dual 10Gb Ethernet
- high speed internal fabric
- 4 PCIe x 16 slots (if populated with GPUs, then quadruple the iMac pro's TFLOPS)

Discuss :D


I would buy that Mac Pro in a heartbeat!
 
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If they use Standard, I don't really care if it ships with an AMD VEGA, enen though I
I don't know about anybody else, but as an audio professional one of the biggest issues I have is with machine noise. When all the components of a computer are INSIDE the monitor, that's kind of a problem. So getting one of these would necessitate having the imac in a machine room and not using its screen at all, which seems preposterous.

Bring on the Mac Pro.

I got into a Back and Forth with someone on this forum just today about this same fact the iMac Pro seems to be an ODD DUCK IMHO. If you have an enclosed system, like an iMac, NO PCI-E, NO NVIDIA, NO CUDA, no way to use in a a machine room with FIBRE or something similar, then Apple has to be designing it for their Closed software environment.. Which for Media is Final Cut Pro X(BLAH!) and Logic Pro X(BLAH! BLAH!).. Both of these Apps don't work in a Pro Environment. I share a building with a Pro Audio studio.. All Cubase and ProTools and our studio AVID, PPro, Blackmagic Resolve and Autodesk Flame.. No one in our whole building touches any of the Apple Pro offerings anymore.. I mean they might be a great place to cut your teeth to learn the basics, but they can't do commercial, broadcast or tv/film level work. Not saying someone couldn't do it as a one off thing, but in a pro environment, day in and day out, with multiple clients and multiple suites and bays, it doesn't work.

So I feel like the iMac Pro is better suited for Software, VR and Game developers... And maybe some small one person media shops..
 
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my best guess:

knowing a base model iMacPro will be $4999, and Apple historically selling the Cinema Display at $999, it would follow that a base model MacPro 7,1 will cost $3999

I hope not, but I fear that's what we'll get.
 
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First off, I hear you I see what you are saying. But I think we need to realise that the Mac Pro is technically not and never has been a consumer machine. It has always been a machine for full time professionals.

I don't think Apple have ever expected consumers or even lower prosumers to buy this stuff.

The thing though has always been that if you could afford it then it was available to everyone.

For the pro photographer - this hits some notes but is not quite it. A pro photographer or a photo enthusiast like myself would likely have preferred this in the cylindrical MAC pro (nMP) form factor. They would be using a good external monitor better than the Retina iMac (at least a 32 inch professional monitor with proper calibration tools for color accuracy - in future with 8k resolution). Hopefully non glossy. Yes - you can add an external 5k monitor - but the iMac Pro with the built-in monitor would just take up useful table space.

The kind of monitor I am talking about: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1089983-REG/nec_pa322uhd_bk_sv_32_led_igzo_tech.html. It is a bit old and is just 4k - may be they will have a 5k or an 8k version of it soon.

Ideally I would prefer a 40 inch or so 8k monitor with a great color palette & color accuracy (hardware calibration) for photo editing. That way I don't have to zoom in pixel level & out to while editing small details. 8k because that is 33 megapixel & my camera (D810) is 36 megapixel. But will settle for 5k or even 4k provided rest of the specs are nice.

Still it is interesting - if one wants to settle for a 27 inch screen without true hardware calibration in spite of paying $5k. I would rather have them not include that all-in-one monitor in and reduce the price by $1k so I can get a better external monitor - also not have the all-in-one monitor consume valuable table space.
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For the pro photographer - this hits some notes but is not quite it. Still it is interesting - if one wants to settle for a 27 inch screen without true hardware calibration in spite of paying $5k. I would rather have them not include that all-in-one monitor in and reduce the price by $1k so I can get a better external monitor - also not have the all-in-one monitor consume valuable table space.

Its good to have this option - but it would be also great if they can put this in a cylindrical (or whatever new shape) desktop form factor as an additional option.
 
I think the Mac Pro 2018 will be sold at the same price as the base iMac Pro.

Comparing the iMac to Mac Pro, the iMac has always been the product that offers better value for money in terms of the specs.

Having an 8-core Mac Pro at $5,000 would be quite steep though. The current 8-core 3.0Ghz trash can Mac Pro is $4,000. If they can maintain that pricing but have better specs, it would be great. But after looking at how Apple increased the price of their touch Macbook Pros, I think they might actually raise the price of the Mac Pro.
 
MP 7,1 will have to have the following configs available at the top end:

- dual socket to at least double this core count
- 1TB ECC RAM
- more internal storage than 4TB SSD - maybe quadruple that in NVME
- 6-10 TB3 ports
- dual 10Gb Ethernet
- high speed internal fabric
- 4 PCIe x 16 slots (if populated with GPUs, then quadruple the iMac pro's TFLOPS)

Discuss :D

This might be enough to tempt me back to OS X, assuming nVidia GPU support.

Or perhaps the second version after they've re-established a track record of giving a **** about the pro market.
 
All the iMac Pro announcement tells me is that Hackintoshes will have some more life. And, I suppose, that Apple is back to at least trying to make Mac users happy. Still, this thing seems to be like a stop-gap at best. It's something Apple is rushing out for December after (suddenly) just a couple months ago realizing that Pros were pissed off. It might stem the bleeding, and I'm glad they announced it now instead of waiting another 6 months, but it's doubtful they even have a prototype working yet.

The fact is, we haven't had any benchmarks, we haven't had any reviews. We have no idea what it sounds like or what thermal throttling it might be doing. We're still probably 18 months out from the new new Mac Pro, and Apple never even guaranteed a release in 2018.

Actually, I've thought of something this tells us about the next Mac Pro. It won't be like the cMP. If Apple is suddenly willing to take modern components and stick them in an existing case and paint it a new color, like with the iMac Pro, then Apple could obviously do the same this year with the old cheese grater box. The fact that Apple isn't doing that should tell us something about what the Mac Pro will look like. It also tells us something about what Apple thinks Pros want from a Mac Pro. Would anyone here be truly unsatisfied with a standard tower from Apple with PCI slots and a few internal drive bays? Apple could announce and release one like that by the end of the year. They've proven that with the iMac Pro, which surely takes more hardware design work than a standard tower and roughly the same amount of firmware and driver work. Nope, Apple's working on something different. Will we like what they come up with? Remains to be seen.

What the iMac Pro tells me, just about the company, is that they might be willing to add new Mac models again. Maybe iPads aren't selling as well as they'd hoped and Macs are selling better than they have previously, and Apple's willing to devote more resources to the Mac. The religion of mobile may be coming to an end. Assuming they'll sell iMac Pros and Mac Pros side-by-side in the future, this effectively marks a new model. Will we see a headless "Mac", using consumer-grade CPUs with PCI slots and more than one internal drive bay, with the same general case as the "Mac Pro"? Is Apple going to announce next year not just one new line next year, but three? The Mac Mini, Mac, and Mac Pro? Even if the three models don't sell as well as their MacBooks and iMacs, it does help them stay relevant, helps them boost the ecosystem, and it sends a powerful message to content creators and app developers. Maybe I'm just dreaming. It's still way too early to tell.
 
I think the Mac Pro 2018 will be sold at the same price as the base iMac Pro.

Comparing the iMac to Mac Pro, the iMac has always been the product that offers better value for money in terms of the specs.

Having an 8-core Mac Pro at $5,000 would be quite steep though. The current 8-core 3.0Ghz trash can Mac Pro is $4,000. If they can maintain that pricing but have better specs, it would be great. But after looking at how Apple increased the price of their touch Macbook Pros, I think they might actually raise the price of the Mac Pro.

It would be pretty ridiculous to sell a headless computer with an 8 core for $5000 after skipping 2 generations of Xeons. The 8-core Ivy Bridge (retailed for $1700) is now the equivalent of the 16 core skylake. I'd bet on the base Mac Pro having the bottom end Xeon Gold with 14 cores.
 
Agreed. I don't think I'll ever buy another Apple product again and just stick to hackintoshes. Their desktops are trash.

I sense a troll he he... go put together an 18 C Xeon PC... I want to see the price of it.
Hardware is hardware man but chops and talent are a whole other thing... if you have the chops and talent then really the hardware is irrelevant.
 
I sense a troll he he... go put together and 18 C Xeon PC... I want to see the price of it.
Hardware is hardware man but chops and talent are a whole other thing... if you have the chops and talent then really the hardware is irrelevant.

That is why the iMac Pro seems kinda overkill. If I am setting up a professional edit bay, our rooms are ~200 sq feet to ~120sq feet. Having an all in one computer doesn't really matter, it doesn't help us in any way, it is actually more of an inconvenience, since all our computers are housed in a machine room. Most importantly the all enclosed non-upgradable components and lack of PCI-E doesn't add much to the legacy of the computer either. We have about 30 MacPro 5,1 still limping along because of PCI-E.. Any all in one enclosed computer form that generation would be completely obsolete.

So the iMac Pro, as an all in one powerhouse, is more intended for a freelancer in their house or apartment, or some of the programming studios where you have 10 stations in a row next to each other.

So I'm scratching my head as to who this particular iMac is intended for?
Is a freelancer gonna drop $10k for an iMac? Will programmers and developers???
Also if the new MacPro's do not have PCI-E, then its the end of the line for MacOS in our field. So hopefully the iMAC Pro is kinda a one off test of the water, and not the vision of the future.
 
In a such small computer with 0 airflow, expect a lot of thermal throttling.

There may or may not be thermal throttling, but I don't think it is fair to say there is "0 airflow". The iMac Pro has a dual fan cooling system:

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135-145W cpu vs 2 laptop blowers. Who wins ? Not the fancy cat face graphics design team.

This could work "up to" 10 core chips, but I'm really curious about the performance and potential heat issues with a 18 core Imac.
 
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Two whole laptop fans?? Gorsh

At least apple appears to be endorsing eGPU finally.
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145W cpu vs 2 laptop blowers. Who wins ? Not the fancy cat face graphics design team.

Aw you beat me ;)
 
Apple has finally, completely, eliminated any meaning for the term "pro".

What do you mean? Server CPU, workstation GPU, top-tier SSDs, server RAM and one of the finest displays money can buy isn't "professional" how? No, it's not destined for the data center but I'm not sure what the bar is at this point. It's almost more "professional" than the current Mac Pro.
 
Not if they take care of their customers the way Apple does:rolleyes:
Apple does regularly screw their customers, but that's one business that predates Apple and will out last it by millennia. Customer satisfaction will always be their main concern.
 
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I'm really worried about heat issues with the iMac pro. Sure, it's got upgraded cooling, but they also thought the MP6,1 was adequately cooled and those things glitch out on long renders like nobody's business.

I wonder how they test 'under load'. It really seems like they optimize for short bursts, but I regularly run very long render queues.
 
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