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What the iMac Pro told me most recently was to buy a base 27" iMac (with SSD) to supplement my Linux box (for office applications vs. heavier lifting on Linux).

This combination should ease my trusty 3,1 into semi-retirement. I plan on keeping it running until its 10'th anniversary out of respect for it being one of the greatest personal computers ever made.

I'm still interested in the mMP, but I've long-since run out of patience waiting for it, whatever it is. If and when it does come, I do think it will be a reasonable solution, and I'm pretty sure I'd be tempted. I'm just not sure a massive linux machine upgrade wouldn't be more sensible.
 
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What the iMac Pro told me most recently was to buy a base 27" iMac (with SSD) to supplement my Linux box (for office applications vs. heavier lifting on Linux).

This combination should ease my trusty 3,1 into semi-retirement. I plan on keeping it running until its 10'th anniversary out of respect for it being one of the greatest personal computers ever made.

I'm still interested in the mMP, but I've long-since run out of patience waiting for it, whatever it is. If and when it does come, I do think it will be a reasonable solution, and I'm pretty sure I'd be tempted. I'm just not sure a massive linux machine upgrade wouldn't be more sensible.
 
135-145W cpu vs 2 laptop blowers. Who wins ? Not the fancy cat face graphics design team.

This could work "up to" 10 core chips, but I'm really curious of performance and potential heat issues with a 18 core Imac.

Well none of us know yet but remember the 27" display has a significantly larger surface area to assist in cooling, and how they flow the air through makes a big difference.
 
MP 7,1 will have to have the following configs available at the top end:
- more internal storage than 4TB SSD - maybe quadruple that in NVME

At the time of wrting 4tb OWC is around 2299$... An 9100$ 16tb storage would be nice on new macpro LOOOOL! :D

- 6-10 TB3 ports

Why want 6-10 thunderbolt 3 ports but considering stupid to have a nMP 6.1 expanded via those thunderbolt ports? Everyone I listen to complains about thunderbolt external device. Why have 6 to 10 ports (nMP 6.1 have six TB2) when no one want to use it...
 
It will probably be crazy expensive ...

I would also not mind 6 TB3 ports.
TB3 will be a lot more mainstream than TB2 was I guess.
At least you don't have to buy quadra drives anymore ... USB 3.0, FW800, eSATA, TB2 whatever.
That was a mess, and they always died on me much faster, than the simple USB 2.0/3.0 lacie enclosures.
I have 6 death. And none of the more basic Lacie's/half the prices died.
Spinners were fine.

I use the TB2 ports on my nMP.
Or at least the DP function.

TB3 seems far more mature, then TB2.
The USB combo. Workflows where TB2/the nMP design is finally practical in use.
It's more a mac mini pro, and can at least be used for some pro work.

I would not have it if I didn't already heavy 2 cMP's.
But needing a second monitor to boot when using a 4K monitor.
Demounting all the USB 3 stuff before It can be put to sleep.

We work with medium format camera's.
Plug it in the showroom monitors 4K IPS 43" so clients can select,
images, make choises in big PS files.
Move around 30 - 32" monitors so the team can see our collective shooting.
It's a callibrated everything working environment.

If we go more video It would probably be a Z.
But a refurb nMP, 2 years warranty, without EU taxes.
It's 1500 euro, just have to max the ram ... add 2 TB/USB3 SSD.
Some other ****.

Next will be a Z ... more for video.
But it would be another tower 4x power.
But the low foodprint, easy to take it on location, with a set up of 8 Elinchrome flashes, 2m UFO softbox stuff.
Imac pro is overkill for this. And being forced with that screen.
A simple 24" eizo monitor and a trashcan that can handle Phase One camera, Pentax 645Z or hasselblad,
depending if you need 100mp or the Pentax weathersealing stuff.
It is nice for that.
If overview monitors for the team ... It can drive six.

I like the nMP. It's not weathersealed, as some of the camera's, we have some Panasonic laptops for in the elements.
Never use them ... as tethered shooting when the sea is dangerous or something ... just shoot on cards and hope the sony alpha camera's don't die. It has happened the wind blew sand into the flashcard contacts.
Anyway way of topic.

I really like the trashcan, as a mobile, flexible workstation.
But I'm going to switch to a Z for video probably, not mMP ...
unless It can compete with a Z, brute force and price,
you don't have to 48h to get behind the touchbar to replace some ramm.
One of the modules will be user upgradable ram under an oled tripple touchbar, you need 75 types of screwdriver tools.
But the first thing that made Apple up the pro game was the touchbar, now with It's wireless ram, and touchbar pro
is 3 strips, 3 times faster finishing projects. And facething/noth.
So all your emojis look like zombie dead,
LCD drained from working 18h's - 48h's, only break is turning notifications off that annoy you.
No smiley,
The deadline facething emoji added "I made the deadline emoji some sick vampire lcd hypnotized death stare."
Instead of a reasuring smiley.

They will want to make It snazzy ...
If they make an open mac mini I7 or faster, 64 - 128 ram, nVidea or Amd choise.
Or a cheesgrater Z, they can make It half the size ... less heavy.
Like some mini towers or whatever that can hold 4 GTX 1080, bigger than the trashcan, smaller than an imac,
as a 27" Imac you can't take on the bus ... a nMP in a case with wheels or the original packaging,
you can take it on a bus.
I will probaly like it when It is 3, 5 years old ... the next one comes around and nMP
will need hacks and stuff ...
cMP was instant love.
nMP only in 2016, other photographers started really using it, one using it in the studio for work,
take it downstairs to the living room as a home theater pc.
And more cases ... lots of flexibility, the mini that could handle our big medium format raw files.
2017 I could buy it, for 1500 euro refurb.
 
That's not ECC memory. 16GB of DDR4 ECC runs about $190, so 64GB would be $760.

ECC should not be mandatory, so we still "can" get 64GB by $470. Of course, for a computer cost like this, I will prefer run ECC RAM but not save that tiny bit (relatively). However, we really "can".
 
I can't imagine there will be a $2500 option. Not even close. With iMac Pros starting at a whopping $5k, the tower will probably start at $4k regardless of specs, which I'm sure will be good. I do Audio Production, so I don't need retina displays. My 2013 iMac is getting really sluggish at times, so I'm holding out hoping a new MP will be doable. I'd love to see a $3000 or $3500 entry, but I seriously doubt it. This is Apple.
 
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I believe there is zero chance the Modular Mac Pro will start at anything less than $4,000. A 4 year old 6-core Mac Pro has a current starting price of $3,000. The 2013 8-core Mac Pro starts at $4,000. That's with old tech.

Add the new Vega GPUs, new CPUs, new faster M.2 flash drives, DDR4 memory... yeah. $4,000 minimum, possibly $4,500. If it's entirely user upgradeable, Apple will charge a premium for that feature. So possibly $5k. LOL
 
I believe there is zero chance the Modular Mac Pro will start at anything less than $4,000. A 4 year old 6-core Mac Pro has a current starting price of $3,000. The 2013 8-core Mac Pro starts at $4,000. That's with old tech.

Add the new Vega GPUs, new CPUs, new faster M.2 flash drives, DDR4 memory... yeah. $4,000 minimum, possibly $4,500. If it's entirely user upgradeable, Apple will charge a premium for that feature. So possibly $5k. LOL
Almost any price is worth upgradable mac pro.
 
Almost any price is worth upgradable mac pro.

Not for me anymore. If I was working in video production and used FCPX, then sure. I might be married to the Mac and suck up the price.

As of right now, I'm using a 2009 Mac Pro, won't touch the 2013 Mac Pro, so it's not worth any price to me. I also know I can build a good machine for far less than $4,000. And for $3,150, I could build a 10-core beastly workstation with a GTX 1080...

10-core (7900x i9), 32GB Ram, 256GB M.2 Boot Drive, 1TB M.2 drive, 8GB GTX 1080

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8V7QV

That's nearly $2,000 less than the iMac Pro.

If I drop it down to 8 cores, it's $2,750



The 8-core build I'm eyeing up is $2,200...

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3ZC2Ps



For $4,000? Lemme go see...

16-core (1950X Threadripper), 64GB Ram, 256GB M.2 Boot Drive, 1TB M.2 drive, 16GB Vega Frontier

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CyYHCy


My guess would be; an 18-core modular Mac Pro with similar specs will run upwards of $10,500...likely more. Is it worth a $6,000 premium? Not to me...

I can't even begin to say how insulting the $4,000 price tag for an outdated 8-core Mac Pro is. It's just laughable.
 
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Not for me anymore. If I was working in video production and used FCPX, then sure. I might be married to the Mac and suck up the price.

As of right now, I'm using a 2009 Mac Pro, won't touch the 2013 Mac Pro, so it's not worth any price to me. I also know I can build a good machine for far less than $4,000. And for $3,150, I could build a 10-core beastly workstation with a GTX 1080...

10-core (7900x i9), 32GB Ram, 256GB M.2 Boot Drive, 1TB M.2 drive, 8GB GTX 1080

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8V7QV

That's nearly $2,000 less than the iMac Pro.

If I drop it down to 8 cores, it's $2,750



The 8-core build I'm eyeing up is $2,200...

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3ZC2Ps



For $4,000? Lemme go see...

16-core (1950X Threadripper), 64GB Ram, 256GB M.2 Boot Drive, 1TB M.2 drive, 16GB Vega Frontier

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CyYHCy


My guess would be; an 18-core modular Mac Pro with similar specs will run upwards of $10,500...likely more. Is it worth a $6,000 premium? Not to me...

I can't even begin to say how insulting the $4,000 price tag for an outdated 8-core Mac Pro is. It's just laughable.
I don't doubt that you can get a better computer/ or make a better computer, but it really depends on what you do. I do fcpx so yeah it will benefit me, however, I also z840 series HP computer, and I like it. I do projects with windows as well...so...yeah.

Price doesn't matter as long as I'm making money back and more....
Specs are better in pc, but i'm working universally.
 
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Actually, when you spec out any PC with 8-core Xeon, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 8GB GPU (pick anything close to the Vega Pro in the base iMacPro), four ThB3 ports, 10GB Ethernet, it's not going to be all that far off.

Add built-in WiFi/BlueTooth, SDXC slot, good quality wireless keyboard and mouse, not to mention a 5K display, and I don't see you clocking in under $5K.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, of course. But a quick look at Boxx and HP didn't show me how to get there for significantly less $$$.


Ironically, the iMacPro may well be one of the best-value Macs in the lineup when it launches.

Similarly, if the MP7,1 turns out to be something like a headless iMacPro, it wouldn't be bad value at $3999. Add a 1TB SSD to any competing workstation and watch that price skyrocket.
 
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Actually, when you spec out any PC with 8-core Xeon, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, 8GB GPU (pick anything close to the Vega Pro in the base iMacPro), four ThB3 ports, 10GB Ethernet, it's not going to be all that far off.

Add built-in WiFi/BlueTooth, SDXC slot, good quality wireless keyboard and mouse, not to mention a 5K display, and I don't see you clocking in under $5K.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, of course. But a quick look at Boxx and HP didn't show me how to get there for significantly less $$$.


Ironically, the iMacPro may well be one of the best-value Macs in the lineup when it launches.

Similarly, if the MP7,1 turns out to be something like a headless iMacPro, it wouldn't be bad value at $3999. Add a 1TB SSD to any competing workstation and watch that price skyrocket.

If you absolutely need a Xeon CPU and a 5K display, then sure. The iMac Pro will be highly competitive and a great value. My whole beef with Apple as of late, is 1) I don't need a Xeon processor for my photography work - I never have. And 2) I don't need a display - my NEC MultiSync works perfectly fine.

Until Apple offers non-Xeon workstations, it's pointless to compare the pricing. ...which is why more and more creative pro users not married to FCPX are migrating from Apple.
 
If you absolutely need a Xeon CPU and a 5K display, then sure. The iMac Pro will be highly competitive and a great value. My whole beef with Apple as of late, is 1) I don't need a Xeon processor for my photography work - I never have. And 2) I don't need a display - my NEC MultiSync works perfectly fine.

Until Apple offers non-Xeon workstations, it's pointless to compare the pricing. ...which is why more and more creative pro users not married to FCPX are migrating from Apple.

AFAIK, Xeons are priced identical to their Core i7 counterparts? As for the display, I know an iMac is not for everyone; it is not really for me, either. But my point was rather:

Similarly, if the MP7,1 turns out to be something like a headless iMacPro, it wouldn't be bad value at $3999. Add a 1TB SSD to any competing workstation and watch that price skyrocket.

The 1TB SSD in the base model really jacks up the price. Comparable PC's can be configured with 256 or 512 GB, which are still a lot cheaper. Like I said:

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, of course. But a quick look at Boxx and HP didn't show me how to get there for significantly less $$$.
 
Yawn...what was that? This isn't about spec war. I don't know what you do for living, but i make money with these stuff.

I make money with my computer as well, but my budget isn't a bottomless barrel. If I can spend $2,300 on a new 8-core machine instead of spending $5,000 on a new base model iMac Pro. Yeah. I can think of a LOT of things I can do with that $2,700 savings - like take my kids on a vacation, or buy another Darth Vader helmet. LOLOL
 
I make money with my computer as well, but my budget isn't a bottomless barrel. If I can spend $2,300 on a new 8-core machine instead of spending $5,000 on a new base model iMac Pro. Yeah. I can think of a LOT of things I can do with that $2,700 savings - like take my kids on a vacation, or buy another Darth Vader helmet. LOLOL
What is that poster's comment got to do with me?
EDIT: What is it about what you do have to do with what I do with my budget?
 
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