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mackmgg

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Here is a hint on how to get the best price from Adobe. Current customers are second class and expected to pay full price at auto renewal (November for me) while the inactive account is offered deals to attract new and former customers. I am not second class! To beat Adobe at their own game, open two account with different emails. They will prospect the other one with deals and in negotiating the renewal of the active one, you know how serious they are as they try to 'save' the account. Changeover on your computer is simple. Sign out on the one account and sign in on the other. It recognizes all your previously downloaded programs attached to an active account.
You don't even need to do that! I just buy the "renewal" from B&H around Black Friday, since Adobe doesn't differentiate new customers vs renewal there.

Other than Adobe, I do really like Affinity. I'm waiting for their Lightroom replacement to drop Adobe, though I've been waiting for a while (and expect to wait a while longer). The big feature most non-Adobe products are missing is iOS support. I like that I can use Lightroom on my laptop and iPad, and sync the photos/edits easily between them.
 

AlaskaMoose

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DXO PhotoLab 3 has recently been updated to DXO PhotoLab 4.....

I've had Luminar 3 for a while but never upgraded to Luminar 4 and now Skylum is offering Luminar AI, which, as the name suggests, is going to be more about using artificial intelligence to work with images, while still also offering tools for the photographer to individually adjust as needed rather than accepting all the AI stuff.

I have Affinity Photo but haven't used it in a while, as somehow I never could quite "click" with it and I much prefer DXO PhotoLab 4. We all have our individual needs, preferences and working styles, so it's really a matter of finding one or more programs which really work for you!
Yes, I too use Photo Lab/Nik bundle, and it is quite powerful. I haven't outdated to version 4, however.
 

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You don't even need to do that! I just buy the "renewal" from B&H around Black Friday, since Adobe doesn't differentiate new customers vs renewal there.

Other than Adobe, I do really like Affinity. I'm waiting for their Lightroom replacement to drop Adobe, though I've been waiting for a while (and expect to wait a while longer). The big feature most non-Adobe products are missing is iOS support. I like that I can use Lightroom on my laptop and iPad, and sync the photos/edits easily between them.
To update, since the renewal has passed. Over the year, Adobe made a couple changes to cancelling at end of commitment. Still can't turn off auto-renew and must have one credit card on file, however, no longer have to talk to a live person to cancel. Within the account has a cancel option. Prior to cancel they give an online offer. In this case was lower than other marketing offers. Rather than the $52 monthly, they offer $29 monthly for a year of full CC. I needed InDesign (QwarkExpress didn't cut it, and ebooks is a major oversight omission with Affinity Publisher since launched.) My choice was $9.99 for Photoshop/Lightroom + $19.99 for one program (InDesign) or $29.99 for the full CC. Easy decision. That gives Affinity a year to update what the acknowledge is a known oversight when ripped them apart in user forums and they are "working on it." Not holding my breath. And a year for QwarkExpress to re-work their convoluted anchoring of photos in text, staying with the text as it is rearranged.
 

AlaskaMoose

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DXO PhotoLab 4 has some good reasons to upgrade. I'd go for it!
I will, soon. Also a very useful app, at least to those who use new camera models such as Canon R, R5, and R6-among other Canon cameras, is the "free" Adobe DNG Converter. The files from the new cameras above, and I imagine other brands and models, aren't recognized by some of the new photo-editing apps, so one can use DNG Converter to convert these new files to the "dng" format in a very short period of time. I used the Adobe app to convert about 20 Canon CR3 photos that CS6 nor Photo Lab 3 would not recognize prior to the conversion.

In fact, I had been thinking of upgrading the OS of my 2019 iMac from Mojave to Catalina, but I think that I will wait until Mojave is not longer supported by Apple (maybe even longer than that).
 

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Clix Pix

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Yes, the younger the Mac, the more it will benefit from being on Big Sur..... I think some 2013 and older Macs are not compatible with it and cannot install it. Newer Macs will be fine. That said, my 2017 MacBook is running beautifully on Big Sur, a lot more smoothly than she did on Catalina.
 

AlaskaMoose

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Yes, the younger the Mac, the more it will benefit from being on Big Sur..... I think some 2013 and older Macs are not compatible with it and cannot install it. Newer Macs will be fine. That said, my 2017 MacBook is running beautifully on Big Sur, a lot more smoothly than she did on Catalina.
I just realized the Photo Lab 4 recognizes Canon CR3 files. I just have to figure how to export photos to the desktop or hard drives without having the DXO logo. I read somewhere how to do that, but I forgot about it. Maybe I can find the answer in the instruction manual (I updated to version 4, and downloaded the manual).
 

Clix Pix

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???? I export my images to the desktop all the time and there is no DXO logo on there!!!! Do you mean that when you import back to the original file of RAW images, when you open that folder you'll see the thumbnails plus a thumbnail that does not show an image but says DXO on it? When you look a couple of thumbnails past that you'll see that then there is the actual image file that has been converted from RAW to jpeg. I simply grab that and move it to another place on my desktop, leaving the thumbnail that says DXO right there in the folder along with the original RAW image. The image that has been converted to .jpeg does not have any watermarks or logos on it at all, it's ready to be renamed or taken to another program for additional touching-up if need be, etc.

Thanks for mentioning the instruction manual -- I forgot to download that when I updated to PhotoLab 4 and every now and then I do have a question about doing something or a particular feature, especially anything new. Must grab that manual!!
 

AlaskaMoose

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???? I export my images to the desktop all the time and there is no DXO logo on there!!!! Do you mean that when you import back to the original file of RAW images, when you open that folder you'll see the thumbnails plus a thumbnail that does not show an image but says DXO on it? When you look a couple of thumbnails past that you'll see that then there is the actual image file that has been converted from RAW to jpeg. I simply grab that and move it to another place on my desktop, leaving the thumbnail that says DXO right there in the folder along with the original RAW image. The image that has been converted to .jpeg does not have any watermarks or logos on it at all, it's ready to be renamed or taken to another program for additional touching-up if need be, etc.

Thanks for mentioning the instruction manual -- I forgot to download that when I updated to PhotoLab 4 and every now and then I do have a question about doing something or a particular feature, especially anything new. Must grab that manual!!
Got it. I just took care of it following your instructions, and it works. But I am saving the images to TIFF format. That way I can re-edit them further (if I need to). Also TIFF is good for archival. I only archive the photos that I believe are the best. Then convert to JPEG the TIFF images that I want to share or post online.

Most new apps such as Photo Lab 4, Luminar, and others, perform better on i7 Macs, but Photo Lab 4 is working fine on my i5 iMac, although probably at a slower pace than an iMac with an i7 processor.
 

Clix Pix

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Great, glad I could be of help! I usually save my images in .jpeg rather than .TIFF, even those which I archive for posterity. Most of the time my images are shared online with others (here and at other forums) or just enjoyed by me. Oh, and some are shared with family and friends but are not for public consumption on online web forums. Been a while since I've been to family gatherings or out with friends -- gee, I've almost forgotten what that's like!

Upon reflection and looking back, yeah, the last time was a friend's retirement party nearly a year ago, before this whole darned pandemic took root and attempted to seize control over our lives. Actually, that was right after I'd just purchased DXO PhotoLab 3 and hadn't even really done much with it yet, so really cut my teeth on it while using it to process those images -- a baptism of fire, so to speak. I immediately felt at ease with the program, it seemed intuitive to me and, most importantly, the resulting finished images were satisfactory not only to me but to the recipient and her coworkers, friends and family as well.

My 15" 2018 MBP, which is the one I use for image processing/editing (attached to a 24" LG 4K Thunderbolt 3 monitor) is an i9 with 32 GB RAM and a discrete GPU -- Vega 20 along with the onboard graphics. I bought it nearly a year before I purchased my current camera gear, already having realized that I was going to need a more powerful computer than what I was using earlier, and when the time came that I all of a sudden had these huge files from my A7R IV, that decision turned out to be a good one.

I also have a 2017 12" MacBook, which I adore, she's great for traveling around the house, around town and around the country, but I don't use her for editing images. That said, though, while traveling, if I've done any shooting while on the trip I will download my images into her somewhere along the line for backup as well as to see how they look, even if I don't do anything further with them. The 12" traveling companion machine serves as a backup for the photo files from the memory card(s) while away from home, and ditto for an external SSD which I also carry along for the same purpose. Once I do get home, the memory card(s) still with original content, then get dumped into the 2018 MBP and processed after that.
 

AlaskaMoose

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You have quite a great setup going! Mine is not as good, although I enjoy the 27" iMac screen :)
I recently purchased a new camera (Canon R6), that produces CR3 images, but I haven't done more than learning about the settings and taking around 20 test-photos. I understand that you use Nikon mirrorless cameras (?), which I do like. But since I already have several Canon EF-mount lenses I decided to stick with Canon and use these lenses on the new camera (to save some cash). I have been testing the lenses mounted on a Canon EF-R adapter, including a Tokina 16-28mm one, and everything is working quite well. I have heard that the Nikon lens adapter also works quite well with older Nikon lenses. This is good news-from both companies-for a lot of people who don't want to spend too much on new lenses.

By the way, I read somewhere that the Nikon Z (the one that costs under $2,000, and similar to the Canon R6 feature-wise), is a very nice mirrorless camera, and that is easier than the R6 when switching from photo to video. The R6's auto-focus may be slightly better, but that's about it. The R6, with its 20MP FF sensor, is over-priced in respect to the Nikon (24MP sensor) counterpart, however. But it's much like he discussions about Ford versus Chevy, as one likes one of the two more than the other :)
 
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Clix Pix

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Thanks! I love my current setup, which is working out well. I used to have an iMac a long time ago but back in 2015 decided that for my purposes a 15" MBP would be more flexible and versatile, plus easier to haul around if need be. I had a 21.5" iMac -- no way could I physically handle a 27" iMac -- and had been eagerly awaiting the first retina version of the 21.5, only to be sorely disappointed in a number of ways. The shift to using the MBP mounted on a stand and with peripherals, just as though I were using a desktop machine, worked out well for me, and in 2018 I didn't even look at iMacs at all, just went right for the 2018 MBP that I have now. Next machine will be Apple Silicon-based, of course.....

Actually, for many, many years I was a "Nikon Girl," and had a lot of lenses, went through various bodies over the passage of time.... However, in November of 2019 I made a major change and traded in all my Nikon gear for a Sony A7R IV and some lenses. It's been nearly a year now -- tomorrow, actually! Why did I make this change? I had been thinking about updating my gear for a while, and then every time I was about ready to make up my mind someone would come out with something new and I'd wait to see how that all went.... When Nikon introduced its Z series I was excited to see what they had to offer and rather quickly very disappointed when they did not have any macro lenses available, and also irritated when I saw that while the FTZ adapter would work with many older Nikon F-mount lenses, in a lot of cases it would also render AF lenses as manual focus lenses only. That was not going to work for me. My eyes are too old. I want and need autofocus! I am getting up there in years and decided I didn't have a lot of time, especially as long as a year or two, to sit around waiting for Nikon to finally cough up a macro lens and/or any other lens that I might be especially interested in.....and it was pretty clear to me: why should I wait, when Sony has exactly what I want? [Note: as of now, Nikon still has not released a macro lens or a couple of other lenses that I would've expected and wanted. Thanks to making the switch to another system a year ago I actually do have and have for months been happily enjoying the lenses of my choice.]

To make a long story short, I had already experienced some Sony gear, having had the NEX 7 some years ago, plus also currently having the RX100 VI and the RX10 IV....and had been very pleased with the images I was getting from those two cameras. Also, I'd been following the progress of Sony as it continue to develop its full-frame line of bodies and lenses. By the time I was actually really ready to just DO something with regard to photography, Sony had just introduced the A7R IV and when I once again reviewed the listing of lenses they offered, I was pleased to see two macro lenses and a lot of other lenses which while I might not buy them immediately, would be something I'd want further down the road....

So I am now using Sony and I absolutely love that A7R IV -- it is truly an amazing camera! Over the past year I have added to my lens collection as the situation and need arose, and have been more than happy with what I've been using. That 90mm macro lens is one of my top two favorites -- last year after I first purchased the camera, that lens hardly came off the camera for months! My second favorite lens is the 100-400mm, which I purchased in early June of this year, and it's been a great walk-around lens. The A7R IV and the lenses I bought initially plus those I have added since over the past months have been a huge help in helping me deal with COVID-19, the temporary shut-down we had in the spring and all of the restrictions we still seem to be dealing with. I've been so happy getting the camera out and shooting something new, something interesting, maybe not every day but close to it! So, as for that big switch a year ago: je ne regrette rien.

I have never used Canon so can't really speak to its merits but yes, friends who shoot Canon are very happy with the system and are delighted with the mirrorless offerings. Friends who are still shooting Nikon are also happy with the mirrorless Z series and as time is going on, more native lenses are gradually being developed and released for use with the Z series. MollyC on here has a Z6 and would be the one with whom to discuss the merits of the Z series and its native lenses plus the availability of third-party options and of course the ins-and-outs of using the FTZ adapter with older F-mount lenses.
 

AlaskaMoose

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After watching the latest version of Affinity Photo in action at "youtube," I am impressed. Yes, the learning curve is steep, but if you do photo editing with PhotoShop, then it would be a breeze. The portrait retouching mode is nothing but outstanding, so I could not help but to download it from the Apps Store. It is on sale for $35.00.

The learning curve will be steep for me, because I seldom retouch portraits other than with OneOne's Photo Raw, and a little blemish removal with CS6. By the way, it is supposed to be compatible with DXO NIK plugins, although I don't know enough about Affinity Photo to figure how to access the these plugins. But that will come later as I learn about it.

If I were the OP of this thread, I would look into Affinity Photo as a PhotoShop replacement, but that's me since I have been trying several apps for that purpose alone.
 
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Darmok N Jalad

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After watching the latest version of Affinity Photo in action at "youtube," I am impressed. Yes, the learning curve is steep, but if you do photo editing with PhotoShop, then it would be a breeze. The portrait mode is nothing but outstanding, so I could not help but to download it from the Apps Store. It is on sale for $35.00 :)
Their iPad app is also pretty great, too, and even cheaper! They do offer a lot of tutorial videos, fortunately.
 

Clix Pix

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I have Affinity Photo, which I purchased a long time ago but somehow never could quite "jell" with it and so didn't get very far with it. I've still got the program in my dock, but I don't use it. Yes, it's supposed to be kind of similar to Photoshop, which I did use many years ago, l but actually I never felt all that comfortable with it, either.
 

AlaskaMoose

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Their iPad app is also pretty great, too, and even cheaper! They do offer a lot of tutorial videos, fortunately.
The reviews are quite good for both the iPad version, and Mac. When downloaded form the Apps Store, the installation is done automatically. I was surprised about that when trying to find the installer on the desktop. So I looked for the App in the Applications Folder, and there it was, fully installed :)

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You mentioned the new OS, "Big Sur" a few days ago, and you are right about how stable it is on the MBP I am using right now. I will probably upgrade the iMac I use for photo editing under Mohave, to Big Sur in the near future.
 

Darmok N Jalad

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The reviews are quite good for both the iPad version, and Mac. When downloaded form the Apps Store, the installation is done automatically. I was surprised about that when trying to find the installer on the desktop. So I looked for the App in the Applications Folder, and there it was, fully installed :)

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You mentioned the new OS, "Big Sur" a few days ago, and you are right about how stable it is on the MBP I am using right now. I will probably upgrade the iMac I use for photo editing under Mohave, to Big Sur in the near future.
A fun fact about buying Affinity Photo directly from Serif (which does get the developer more money since Apple takes a cut of anything sold in the App Store), is that you get a license code that will work on MacOS or Windows. I don't know if that's the official support, but I've tried it during the times I tried to go with a Windows machine, and it works.
 
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Clix Pix

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The reviews are quite good for both the iPad version, and Mac. When downloaded form the Apps Store, the installation is done automatically. I was surprised about that when trying to find the installer on the desktop. So I looked for the App in the Applications Folder, and there it was, fully installed :)

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You mentioned the new OS, "Big Sur" a few days ago, and you are right about how stable it is on the MBP I am using right now. I will probably upgrade the iMac I use for photo editing under Mohave, to Big Sur in the near future.
Definitely Big Sur seems to be a whole lot more stable, ready-to-use-right-from-the-getgo OS, than either Mojave or Catalina. I found it to be the smoothest new installation and immediate usage of any OS ever -- and that's saying something!!!! Both my machines are running very happily on Big Sur and I'm very pleased with it.
 
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AlaskaMoose

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A fun fact about buying Affinity Photo directly from Serif (which does get the developer more money since Apple takes a cut of anything sold in the App Store), is that you get a license code that will work on MacOS or Windows. I don't know if that's the official support, but I've tried it during the times I tried to go with a Windows machine, and it works.
That is interesting!
By the way, it is quite easy to set the Affinity's preferences so that the NIK plugins can be used. The instructions can be found in the "help" menu, and also at "youtube". So with that step out of the way, next comes the big curve of editing, specially portraits.
 

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Most of these will require getting used to their way of doing things. And the learning curve is going to be significant to get you to use every thing that these packages can do.

I've switched from a full Adobe CC license to a Affinity Photo (to replace the photo editing part). It's still an effort to get used to it all though.

You might have another option: when I tried to cancel my subscription I was offered a number of times significant discounts (even permanent ones) on their monthly fee. So much discount that I in fact felt cheated for the years we had paid the license. See here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/adobe-cc-subscription-cancellation-experience.2245887/
 

Darmok N Jalad

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Most of these will require getting used to their way of doing things. And the learning curve is going to be significant to get you to use every thing that these packages can do.

I've switched from a full Adobe CC license to a Affinity Photo (to replace the photo editing part). It's still an effort to get used to it all though.

You might have another option: when I tried to cancel my subscription I was offered a number of times significant discounts (even permanent ones) on their monthly fee. So much discount that I in fact felt cheated for the years we had paid the license. See here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/adobe-cc-subscription-cancellation-experience.2245887/
Your story would have probably gotten more attention in this subforum! I think the first alarm for me is the inability to cancel directly, and instead having to go through customer service, even if it is a bot.
 

AlaskaMoose

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Most of these will require getting used to their way of doing things. And the learning curve is going to be significant to get you to use every thing that these packages can do.

I've switched from a full Adobe CC license to a Affinity Photo (to replace the photo editing part). It's still an effort to get used to it all though.

You might have another option: when I tried to cancel my subscription I was offered a number of times significant discounts (even permanent ones) on their monthly fee. So much discount that I in fact felt cheated for the years we had paid the license. See here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/adobe-cc-subscription-cancellation-experience.2245887/
I didn't realize that such a relatively inexpensive app, "Affinity Photo" was so powerful until watching a few of the training videos at YouTube. Something else that made it attractive to me was knowing that one can set it so it can recognize and work with the NIK Software plugins. I use DXO Photo Lab 4 with the NIK bundle, but Photo Lab does not have a portraiture module. Affinity Photo does. This app, working along the NIK plugins, becomes even more useful to me.

I decided not to join the Adobe CC service when Adobe started it, and continued using the standalone Adobe apps, CS5 and CS6, both of which I had purchased on school discounts. I realized that it would have been more expensive to be paying monthly fees for extended periods of time, than what I had paid for CS5 and then upgrading to CS6. And I prefer paying up front for an app that I can use as long as I want in remote locations where there is not Internet service.
 
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Does anyone know if affinity photo can fix perspective on HEIC files? Ie the attached? I’ve tried Luminar and Pixelmator and neither can! (They appear to allow this on RAW files only)
 

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