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...I am just saying that software/hardware causing crashes are totally expected among every single OS exists in the world.
Yes, and no. Different hardware platforms and operating systems have different levels of requirements, and success at meeting those requirements.

I've been a professional programmer for 27 years. I work on a so-called "mission-critical" operating system, some of who's customers (e.g., stock exchanges, steel mills) have a five-nines or even six-nines reliability requirement (i.e., 99.999% or 99.9999% availability). That translates to a few minutes per year of allowable down-time. We meet that requirement regularly. I'll grant that part of the success comes via various forms of redundancy (e.g., clustering, where you can do rolling upgrades of the various nodes in a cluster to install patches, upgrade to new versions of the operating system, etc. while production applications continue to run on other nodes). It is harder to meet such requirements with single-system configurations.

Sorry to derail the thread a bit, but my point is that not all systems have similar characteristics with regard to reliability. Back on topic: Apple have done a pretty good job, in my opinion, with regards to system reliability for a consumer-level system.
 
Quit your arguing crap! lets keep this thread on track.

Back on the hunt for a non freezing imac with a 4850!

perhaps there isnt one!

No let's keep arguing. I have a 4850 on order and am now concerned that my switch from PC to MAC may be in error. I have run PC's since the early 90's and have managed the IT section of a major govt agency for 6 years. I have had issues with PC's but none the likes of what I am seeing here. I have never experienced the so called blue screen of death.

I "was" looking forward to a new experience with the Mac OS but am now wondering wtf I am getting myself into.

Fanboys need not respond...
 
Yes, and no. Different hardware platforms and operating systems have different levels of requirements, and success at meeting those requirements.

I've been a professional programmer for 27 years. I work on a so-called "mission-critical" operating system, some of who's customers (e.g., stock exchanges, steel mills) have a five-nines or even six-nines reliability requirement (i.e., 99.999% or 99.9999% availability). That translates to a few minutes per year of allowable down-time. We meet that requirement regularly. I'll grant that part of the success comes via various forms of redundancy (e.g., clustering, where you can do rolling upgrades of the various nodes in a cluster to install patches, upgrade to new versions of the operating system, etc. while production applications continue to run on other nodes). It is harder to meet such requirements with single-system configurations.

Sorry to derail the thread a bit, but my point is that not all systems have similar characteristics with regard to reliability. Back on topic: Apple have done a pretty good job, in my opinion, with regards to system reliability for a consumer-level system.

I agree what I said is an overstatement. My point is simple though, you can't rule out the possibility that the computer will crash some time in the future, more so on the customer-level end. That's what backup is for, isn't it? :) Of course some computers/servers will just have to work all the time without any problem. It would be a mess if the bank online banking server suddenly stops working... I can't imagine doing the job you're doing. lol I'd be pretty stressed out all the time if I were you.

Is there any crash logs you know of that I can check in OS X? I've checked any logs in console, didn't see any entry at the time it froze. :(
 
No let's keep arguing. I have a 4850 on order and am now concerned that my switch from PC to MAC may be in error. I have run PC's since the early 90's and have managed the IT section of a major govt agency for 6 years. I have had issues with PC's but none the likes of what I am seeing here. I have never experienced the so called blue screen of death.

I "was" looking forward to a new experience with the Mac OS but am now wondering wtf I am getting myself into.

Fanboys need not respond...

I am in a similar position to you, having recently made the switch to OS X in the form of buying a Mac Mini to play around on, became enamored with OS X and ordered the new iMac with the Radeon 4850 card a few weeks ago since I wanted something with more pep than the Mac Mini offers.

I can say that, assuming Apple pull their heads out and lay out a plan for getting this problem under control, you will be well pleased with the Mac. I have been working on Windows and UNIX systems for 15 years and definitely feel that OS X is the more stable and mature operating system for home users.

The only thing Windows really has going for it these days is DirectX and gaming capabilities, and that can be handled after a fashion through Boot Camp on a Mac.
 
I am in a similar position to you, having recently made the switch to OS X in the form of buying a Mac Mini to play around on, became enamored with OS X and ordered the new iMac with the Radeon 4850 card a few weeks ago since I wanted something with more pep than the Mac Mini offers.

I can say that, assuming Apple pull their heads out and lay out a plan for getting this problem under control, you will be well pleased with the Mac. I have been working on Windows and UNIX systems for 15 years and definitely feel that OS X is the more stable and mature operating system for home users.

The only thing Windows really has going for it these days is DirectX and gaming capabilities, and that can be handled after a fashion through Boot Camp on a Mac.

Thank you for the reasoned response.....I still want to give Mac OS a try....just dealing with this xtra stress is not helping....B
 
Thank you for the reasoned response.....I still want to give Mac OS a try....just dealing with this xtra stress is not helping....B
When I replaced my son's aging and rather broken Athlon XP Windows box in 2007, we got him an iMac. I knew of the graphics card problem and waited as long as we could to delay the purchase in the hopes that a fix would come. When Apple finally acknowledged the problem in October, I decided it was safe to buy since I knew they were working on it. Sure enough, I got a freezing iMac. The dissapointment in my son's face was heartbreaking and Apple seriously pissed me off. I thought about returning it but hope was always around the corner at that time. Finally, just before we went on vacation in early November, I gave the machine to the local Apple repair center (who told us that they had never heard of this problem :rolleyes:) and when we returned, the iMac was fixed (new logic board). Apparently the patch that Apple had released while we were away didn't work on our machine. Since then, I have not had a single problem with any of the Macs in my possession. Its a tough experience to go through but once its behind you, its all clear sailing.
 
So is everyone happy now? I fixed my spelling on the main subject line. My Bad. Done .. now lets move on to the real problem not just some spelling mistake. :rolleyes:
 
I've had my iMac 3.06 / 4850 for eight days now, no freezes (with lots of WoW). My system says:

"ATY,MemVendorID" = <0600>
"ATY,MemRevisionID" = <0200>

In other words, the same as yours (which has frozen).

Non-freezing Apple iMac 3.06 with 4850 card reporting here - had it since April 14 and no freezes or lockups whatsoever. This is what my system says:

"ATY,MemVendorID" = <0600>
"ATY,MemRevisionID" = <0200>
 
Non-freezing Apple iMac 3.06 with 4850 card reporting here - had it since April 14 and no freezes or lockups whatsoever. This is what my system says:

"ATY,MemVendorID" = <0600>
"ATY,MemRevisionID" = <0200>

Thanks for that, perhaps it isn't the memory . could you use the command :

ioreg -l | grep ATY

put the results on pastebin.com and let us have a look ... perhaps it's something else :)
 
Crashing iMac:
| | | | | "ATY,MemVendorID" = <0600>
| | | | | "ATY,MemRevisionID" = <0200>

I also asked one with a non crashing iMac. He also gets:
| | | | | "ATY,MemVendorID" = <0600>
| | | | | "ATY,MemRevisionID" = <0200>
 
Thanks for that Sermon,

The only two differences I can spot are :

"ATY,SG" =
my value : <08f01a47>
your value : <08a0f646>

and

"ATY,drvincom" =

my value : <8da6620000700347>
your value : <8da662000050ff46>

as there are now two threads, i'll post this on the other one also :)

Glad to be of service.

Strange. I hope we'll get an answer on what is causing the problem soon - I'd like to know if it's software or hardware related, but to me it almost looks like it's a hardware issue.

Anyway, I hope Apple will be made aware of the problem and will fix the issue as soon as possible. Just because mine hasn't had a freeze issue yet doesn't mean it can't still lock up in the future.
 
Thanks for that Sermon,

The only two differences I can spot are :

"ATY,SG" =
my value : <08f01a47>
your value : <08a0f646>

and

"ATY,drvincom" =

my value : <8da6620000700347>
your value : <8da662000050ff46>

as there are now two threads, i'll post this on the other one also :)

Mine (crashes):
"ATY,SG" = <08f01547>
"ATY,drvincom" = <8de661000000fe46>
 
Glad to be of service.

Strange. I hope we'll get an answer on what is causing the problem soon - I'd like to know if it's software or hardware related, but to me it almost looks like it's a hardware issue.

Anyway, I hope Apple will be made aware of the problem and will fix the issue as soon as possible. Just because mine hasn't had a freeze issue yet doesn't mean it can't still lock up in the future.

I ran a few games also, seemed to be ok at first.

However, this app (http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/) puts your GPU under much more pressure - try it for an hour or so :)

good luck!
 
a windows install - the apple tech guys agreed that this test proved it was a hardware fault

Darn. I absolutely do not want to install Windows on my machine. :(

So, a hardware fault it is then? That's bad news. I wonder if all the 4850 cards are affected and the issue hasn't emerged on lots of systems yet or it's "only" a faulty bunch of cards ...
 
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