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What is the fuss about mirrorless?
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Ah but the a6500 is £1499 you can get an a7 series for that... it's a lot of camera for a lot of money. For £500 more you can get an Olympus. Em1 mkii and a decent lens or a em5 mkii and 2 "pro" lenses...
One thing I've noticed here is that size and weight is often mentioned but when I looked at the Sony A7ii I have to say that its a bit bulky. Adding the lens etc. I don't think its that much smaller than the D750 for example or at least not for me. I kinda see it, that the mirrorless is smaller but not by a huge mile.
I do understand (learnt here) that if you have a bag with a lot of lenses etc. then eventually the saving is massive but if you go and shoot with a single lens and maybe one prime or something then its kinda the same and the difference is not massive.
I agree that its about what you have on you rather than what is better. I simply wanted to understand why is mirrorless in so much demand and I think i got the answer. I've seen enough evidence here to still stick to my initial purchase next year but I will see where this mirrorless will go. For me, I think the D750 (or successor) is probably perfect and will be for a long long time. The day mirrorless will be in a size of an iphone or similar then that might be the day we will all get rid off the DSLR most likely. Anyway, thank you all for input, it was certainly educational.
I do understand (learnt here) that if you have a bag with a lot of lenses etc. then eventually the saving is massive but if you go and shoot with a single lens and maybe one prime or something then its kinda the same and the difference is not massive.
I agree that its about what you have on you rather than what is better. I simply wanted to understand why is mirrorless in so much demand and I think i got the answer. I've seen enough evidence here to still stick to my initial purchase next year but I will see where this mirrorless will go. For me, I think the D750 (or successor) is probably perfect and will be for a long long time. The day mirrorless will be in a size of an iphone or similar then that might be the day we will all get rid off the DSLR most likely. Anyway, thank you all for input, it was certainly educational.
Thanks for reading everything, and I'm glad you have come to a decision. Enjoy your D750
Cheers
Hugh
funny you put it that way. the iPhone is a mirrorless design.
After having used various Canon cropped sensor DSLRs for years, I decided that I wanted to "upgrade" to a full frame camera at the beginning of this year. The thing that always did hold me back in the past was the size and the weight of the Canon full frame bodies.
So I switched to Sony's A7 series (a bought an A4R II) mainly because of the following reasons:
I think there is no right or wrong answer on what is preferable. In the end people should always pick the camera that:
So I switched to Sony's A7 series (a bought an A4R II) mainly because of the following reasons:
- lighter body with smaller footprint (I mainly use the camera with the Sony Zeiss 35mm f2.8)
- tilt screen (makes it so much easier to shoot from unusual angles)
- 4 customisable buttons
- three dials (shutter speed, aperture, third one is customisable)
- Electronic viewfinder (I know views on that are split. But I like it a lot that the picture will look exactly like what I see in the viewfinder. No more over-/under exposure because I took the wrong ISO. etc.)
I think there is no right or wrong answer on what is preferable. In the end people should always pick the camera that:
- does the job for them
- they fell comfortable using
- they can afford.
Many thanks for the guidance on mirrorless. Just picked up my Christmas/birthday present at B&H in NYC. Sony A6000 with the Sony 18-105 f4 OSS lens. Could not believe how sharp it was in the store, especially in comparison to my 10 mp Nikon D3000.
Can't wait to get into it. Also bought Gary Friedman's book on my iPad for instruction.
Can't wait to get into it. Also bought Gary Friedman's book on my iPad for instruction.
Glad you found what you wanted
I quite fancied the 18-105 myself, but managed to hold back on that particular purchase. If you want to be pocketable at any time (coat pocket), the kit 16-55mm is still quite a good buy.PS watch out for @kenoh, you'll catch his GAS if you consort with him too much
Cheers
Hugh
Or worse. His dad jokes will start rubbing off on you!Glad you found what you wanted
PS watch out for @kenoh, you'll catch his GAS if you consort with him too much
Cheers
Hugh
Glad you found what you wanted
PS watch out for @kenoh, you'll catch his GAS if you consort with him too much
Cheers
Hugh
Errr look in the mirror guys! No wait this is mirrorless right... Ha ha ha...
You two are comedians!
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Or worse. His dad jokes will start rubbing off on you!
You guys love my dad jokes... Don't even try to deny it...
It's the reason I log in every day!Errr look in the mirror guys! No wait this is mirrorless right... Ha ha ha...
You two are comedians!
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You guys love my dad jokes... Don't even try to deny it...
I come to this forum for two reasons, to learn photography from everybody... and to learn dad jokes from kenoh!
... N I K O N!!!
Sorry couldnt stop myself saying a rude word there with you lot on top form with the retorts...
Yes Canikon. Got to move with the times, keep up, jump up, keep on pushing the boundaries or they will end up like Kodak - and that would be sad.
I shot with Canon for over 10 years and recently made the jump to the Fuji X-T2. I've taken to the system well and love it compared to DSLR.
No regrets.
No regrets.
I'm a new photographer so I have no sentimental connection to a mirror system. To me it's just a relic of the past that only existed because EFVs weren't feasible 15-20 years ago when DSLRs hit the market.
Mirrorless is just better to me. Compare the size of a Sony a7 to a DSLR. I wouldn't even care to own a full frame camera if the A7 didn't exist.
Mirrorless is just better to me. Compare the size of a Sony a7 to a DSLR. I wouldn't even care to own a full frame camera if the A7 didn't exist.
Okay, I'll bite. I like the Fuji X line up but I never make a point to knock mirror system cameras nor advance the notion that EVF (not EFV) is superior. In reality both range finder (direct optical) and then SLR are both superior to EVF in at least 2 of 3 known areas of optical testing. However, EVF are catching up and with some work may offer even more than what our own eyes can detect (such as "night" view for very dim light).
Somehow "new photographers" may find themselves at a real disadvantage over us folks that have had film camera experience, all manual lens experience and yeah, actually had to think about what we were doing. My like for much of the Fuji X line is because it offers me a more natural experience akin to past days gone by with its dial options as opposed to just buttons and "in menu" options. In fact, the real success of the Fuji X line came from a rangefinder style camera with a fixed lens and its still in demand (Fuji X 100 series and its later incarnations).
I'll just say if Nikon had continued developing there df model into something more functional and dropped the price I may have remained in the Nikon camp (having owned 3 different digital cameras from Nikon and before, film cameras).
In the end if you are happy with mirrorless cameras, then enjoy them. Maybe you want just the screen on the back of the camera for your next camera as viewfinders are so yesterday.
Found a nice article on lensrentals regarding "Things to Know When Transitioning to Sony Mirrorless Camera Systems".
Interesting read. Everything is not as rosey as some mirrorless evangelists would have you believe. We will get there one day I'm sure, and Sony is certainly helping by making a dent in Canon and Nikons sales (although probably not as much as smart phones).
For pro photographers it's the glass that weighs down your camera bag. Having a slightly smaller body (but having to carry three times as many batteries) hardly makes a difference.
That's okay. I think I have all the Pro glass I need. After all my 70-200 f2.8 set me back £150
Hello guys,
can someone enlighten me please what the fuss is all about for mirrorless cameras? I read Nikon Rumors and people there seems to be obsessed about the mirrorless possibility of Nikon yet I don't understand why. Isn't DSLR technically better and more versatile? If mirrorless has attachable lens like DSLR then what is the point of having mirrorless in the first place? (apart from having slightly smaller and lighter body?)
To me, it seems that mirrorless still costs tons of money so why is there such a crave?
I'm confused why would anyone wanna spend around $2000 for mirrorless when for the same price I can have D750 for example.
Can someone enlighten me so I understand this madness
Thank you so much
- smaller body & no mechanical parts
- faster speed between continuous shots, because you don't need to flip that mirror
- quieter and less shaking. Flipping the mirror cause a vibration inside the camera.
- bigger electronic viewfinder to replace the optical ones
This article would probably sums it better
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3871263180/primer-why-would-i-buy-a-mirrorless-camera
That was a big draw for me to the Fuji X system. I love the dials and manual functions.
I also shoot film on a Fuji GX617 which is fully analogue (no meter etc) and has a lot of manual operation. It gives me a lot of satisfaction when I nail a shot using it, especially on Velvia 50