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Apple & MS can't win with an OS release anymore.

Some people claim they want lots of new hero features. Apple/MS give it to them and the same people complain that the features are useless and they should have just focused on bug fixes and other under-the-hood stability things.

Other people claim to only want speed and stability enhancements with no major additions or changes. When they get it, they complain about the lack of features to compel them to upgrade.

I prefer upgrades that are packed with lots of very minor changes. The chance that I'll use any particular feature are slim to begin with, so the more little doo-dads there are, the happier I am. The addition of the "New Folder with Selection" and File Rename contextual menu items are very small additions to the last OS, but for me those two little features made the entire OS worth upgrading to because I use them a ton.

They can't please everyone...
Apple know this, so they have decided to consistently not bring in much in the way of new features to OS X, and not bring much in the way of stability enhancements either. That way they cater to everyone.
 
Apple & MS can't win with an OS release anymore.

Some people claim they want lots of new hero features. Apple/MS give it to them and the same people complain that the features are useless and they should have just focused on bug fixes and other under-the-hood stability things.

Other people claim to only want speed and stability enhancements with no major additions or changes. When they get it, they complain about the lack of features to compel them to upgrade.

I prefer upgrades that are packed with lots of very minor changes. The chance that I'll use any particular feature are slim to begin with, so the more little doo-dads there are, the happier I am. The addition of the "New Folder with Selection" and File Rename contextual menu items are very small additions to the last OS, but for me those two little features made the entire OS worth upgrading to because I use them a ton.

They can't please everyone...

Oh wow, I never noticed those little nifty additions. Is that new in Sierra? I really like the "New Folder with Selection.", the multiple "Rename File" feature is great too!
 
All the under the hood enhancements that will improve your quality of life. Sierra is the benchmark by which 10.13 will be judged. Also, Finder now allows Folder On Top, just like using Windows! This last one is a game changer for and sure to attract new Windows users to Mac.

I'm curious as to whether you had folder on top prior to macOS Sierra installation. I tried the "edit the infoplist.strings" method, but was unable to save my changes to that file. Is there another way to setup folder on top subsequent to macOS Sierra install?
 
Hello guys,

I think I'm missing something here because I don't see Sierra as a next version of OS. Can someone tell me what do we really get?
So far its

1. Siri
2. Cleaning disk tool
3. Opening the system with iWatch
4. Apple Pay in Safari

Am I missing something? Because this sounds to me like few little tweaks and bonuses but nothing that would indicate new OS. I used to try BETAs before but now I have no desire to even try the whole thing until its at least 10.12.3 or so.

I don't really use Siri on my iPhone & iPad so whats really left for me to know that I'm running the next OS?

Or is this what we will be getting from now on? Few tiny things and thats about it?

What do I not see here?

Well aside from a few incompatible software items (Audio Units and Apps) Beta 2 runs better than El Capitan, I haven't had a single beach ball moment on my fully loaded 2012 27" iMac. There is a multiple screen issue where the second monitor does not come on and the OS tries over and over again but I'm blaming that on Beta 2 and the feature not being fully implemented.

This might be our saving grace since SL.
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Oh wow, I never noticed those little nifty additions. Is that new in Sierra? I really like the "New Folder with Selection.", the multiple "Rename File" feature is great too!

New folder with selection has been implemented since way back when, I recall using it first in Lion but it may have been around even earlier than that. Multiple file rename might be new as I haven't ever messed with that.
 
I could be wowed. By Apple releasing a Pro, stripped down version of Mac Os. Allow the user to download additional features they need for the OS.

Dont need Siri? You never downloaded her :)

Being able to customize your install will significantly decrease system size, improve boot up times and null down users capability to complain about features they dont like.

Why is this not a thing? Windows has been doing it since the stone age
 
Being able to customize your install will significantly decrease system size, improve boot up times and null down users capability to complain about features they dont like.

Why is this not a thing? Windows has been doing it since the stone age
I can think of a few reasons.

From a user-facing side, having dozens of options about what you might want and wouldn't want can be overwhelming. It takes time, and a lot of people don't really know what features do or don't do, and whether they want them or not. Who wants to have to look things up during a setup process? If you want to keep up the "it just works" philosophy, keep everything included by default. It's easier for the user to have that user ignore and never use a feature than to have them try to do something and find that they need to install more things.

From a company side, it's easier to build up when you know that everyone has the necessary support available. Apple has superior inter-device support compared to others, and I'd guess that it requires having a lot of these features bundled. It helps that they've shifted to offering major software updates for free, thereby further assuring that the majority of their users have the necessary software needed for these features. The tech community has long suspected that Microsoft is handicapped in some ways by having to support hundreds of configurations and software versions; Apple has much less to support, and is more agile for it. I wonder if Microsoft offering Windows 10 for free (and pushing it in a fairly aggressive manner) means they recognize the benefits of the way Apple is operating in this regard, too.
 
I would like a "barebone" version of macOS.

Like when you start up with a fresh install of 10.6.8 and look at the Activity Monitor and it´s almost empty.
Could Apple please make all the non-critical apps an optional app-store download instead? :)

If they could start with "Photos" that would be great..
 
I can think of a few reasons.

From a user-facing side, having dozens of options about what you might want and wouldn't want can be overwhelming. It takes time, and a lot of people don't really know what features do or don't do, and whether they want them or not. Who wants to have to look things up during a setup process? If you want to keep up the "it just works" philosophy, keep everything included by default. It's easier for the user to have that user ignore and never use a feature than to have them try to do something and find that they need to install more things.

From a company side, it's easier to build up when you know that everyone has the necessary support available. Apple has superior inter-device support compared to others, and I'd guess that it requires having a lot of these features bundled. It helps that they've shifted to offering major software updates for free, thereby further assuring that the majority of their users have the necessary software needed for these features. The tech community has long suspected that Microsoft is handicapped in some ways by having to support hundreds of configurations and software versions; Apple has much less to support, and is more agile for it. I wonder if Microsoft offering Windows 10 for free (and pushing it in a fairly aggressive manner) means they recognize the benefits of the way Apple is operating in this regard, too.
I did mention this would be a specific version of Mac OS, called Pro or whatever. For power users. Which would give you these options. Regular consumers would have the normal Mac OS.

Easy
 
I did mention this would be a specific version of Mac OS, called Pro or whatever. For power users. Which would give you these options. Regular consumers would have the normal Mac OS.

Easy
Still requires development time and effort to create an operating system like that and then account for different configuration types that could arise. Worse yet, it would create a headache for Apple. When it comes to Windows and most other software, "pro" means "more features" or "better." How would Apple market this cut-down operating system to show that it is for professional or power users, but not in the way that most consumers have been trained to think?

The benefits aren't really clear, either. How much space would be saved, really? Boot-up times are no longer significant, unless perhaps you're still running your system drive on a magnetic HDD instead of a SSD... and even then, how often do you reboot your computer? Those all go double for power and professional users, who are more likely to have additional storage and who probably are leaving their computers running to work on tasks, rather than shutting them down every night.

It seems like too much work and too many potential problems, all for too little (if any) benefit.
 
Apple know this, so they have decided to consistently not bring in much in the way of new features to OS X, and not bring much in the way of stability enhancements either. That way they cater to everyone.
How does no one here find your comment funny?
Had me laughing buddy, good job!
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Oh wow, I never noticed those little nifty additions. Is that new in Sierra? I really like the "New Folder with Selection.", the multiple "Rename File" feature is great too!
Both options are in previous releases. lol
 
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...Nothing you couldn't do with Dropbox or Google Drive, but since it's built in & Apple, it's more seamless.

In my opinion, that's the story of all Apple services. None of them are great, all of them lack features of even the most basic competitor's apps, none are rock-solid as far as stability/up-time. But they're seamless. No extra apps required, no extra configuration, no need to do anything extra. Seamless is good. Seamless allows me to overlook a LOT of shortcomings. Seamless makes "pretty good" services/software "good enough" for most of my needs.
 
In my opinion, that's the story of all Apple services. None of them are great, all of them lack features of even the most basic competitor's apps, none are rock-solid as far as stability/up-time. But they're seamless. No extra apps required, no extra configuration, no need to do anything extra. Seamless is good. Seamless allows me to overlook a LOT of shortcomings. Seamless makes "pretty good" services/software "good enough" for most of my needs.

This. Increasingly, I find myself relying less and less on 3rd party applications. Looking at my dock, the only non-Apple apps are Tweetbot, OpenEmu, Steam, and Kodi. I can get by for most of my daily use without opening a single 3rd party app. And that's a convenience that shouldn't be overlooked.

What I'd really like to see from Apple is some sort of "Social" app akin to Mail that lets you integrate all of your accounts and post to various social platforms from a single, integrated app.
 
I think people expect breakthrough updates every year. I'm not saying that Sierra is the best update yet or that everything is perfect with macOS because it's not. But, let's take windows 10 for example, they will have an anniversary update on 02 august, what breakthrough changes will it bring? I don't see anything major beside the bash terminal thingy. I would also prefer a barebone or customizable macos but we know that will never happen because services like Siri have to be pushed. Personally i would prefer a better and more complete finder.

What changes did windows 8.1 brought for people to make them update from windows 7? Nothing special. i doubt we will have period like osx 10.6 because back then, there weren't so many services like cloud,siri,etc, which make development harder. For me, the fact that apple are doing APFS means that they still acknowledge what the biggest issue was/is with Apple in this moment, so that's great.

Anyway it's pretty clear that macOS for Apple is not a priority and they are taking it very slowly and most of their focus will go on integration with other Apple devices, not on macOS features.
 
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Hello guys,

I think I'm missing something here because I don't see Sierra as a next version of OS. Can someone tell me what do we really get?
So far its

1. Siri
2. Cleaning disk tool
3. Opening the system with iWatch
4. Apple Pay in Safari

Am I missing something? Because this sounds to me like few little tweaks and bonuses but nothing that would indicate new OS. I used to try BETAs before but now I have no desire to even try the whole thing until its at least 10.12.3 or so.

I don't really use Siri on my iPhone & iPad so whats really left for me to know that I'm running the next OS?

Or is this what we will be getting from now on? Few tiny things and thats about it?

What do I not see here?

Reason?
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I think people expect breakthrough updates every year. I'm not saying that Sierra is the best update yet or that everything is perfect with macOS because it's not. But, let's take windows 10 for example, they will have an anniversary update on 02 august, what breakthrough changes will it bring? I don't see anything major beside the bash terminal thingy. I would also prefer a barebone or customizable macos but we know that will never happen because services like Siri have to be pushed. Personally i would prefer a better and more complete finder.

What changes did windows 8.1 brought for people to make them update from windows 7? Nothing special. i doubt we will have period like osx 10.6 because back then, there weren't so many services like cloud,siri,etc, which make development harder. For me, the fact that apple are doing APFS means that they still acknowledge what the biggest issue was/is with Apple in this moment, so that's great.

Anyway it's pretty clear that macOS for Apple is not a priority and they are taking it very slowly and most of their focus will go on integration with other Apple devices, not on macOS features.

Priority or not Mac OS is much more mature and complex than iOS is, so it's not so easy or necessary to add big features. I prefer they add lots of little tweaks all over the place than 1 or 2 big features few will use.
 
How, like all successful file systems, it should not affect the users at all, i.e., its one of those under the hood things. Plus its not slated to be part of Sierra but rolled out in 2017, so that means it will be in macOS 10.13

When you know of the inefficiencies of the old file system then you'll realise why it is a game changer in much the same way that the move from FAT32 to NTFS for Window was a giant leap or the move from UFS to ZFS was a big change for Solaris or UFS to UFS2 for FreeBSD or from UFS to HAMMERFS was bit for DragonflyBSD.
 
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  • Auto unlock with Watch (boring, but why is it limited to Watch? THIS is a listed bullet point feature?!)
I don't think it's limited to the Watch. They just chose to say "Watch" vs. "Any device with Touch ID capability."
 
Hello guys,

I think I'm missing something here because I don't see Sierra as a next version of OS. Can someone tell me what do we really get?
So far its

1. Siri
2. Cleaning disk tool
3. Opening the system with iWatch
4. Apple Pay in Safari

Am I missing something? Because this sounds to me like few little tweaks and bonuses but nothing that would indicate new OS. I used to try BETAs before but now I have no desire to even try the whole thing until its at least 10.12.3 or so.

I don't really use Siri on my iPhone & iPad so whats really left for me to know that I'm running the next OS?

Or is this what we will be getting from now on? Few tiny things and thats about it?

What do I not see here?

same here. I used to have a separate partition, I installed always every second beta as soon as it was released. This time, I will wait until christmas, or a bit after to put it in. .1, at least, better .2 or .3

I learned the hard way, no deep features to take the hassle, better wait to after christmas, it will run like butter.
 
One of the features that I like, albeit not revolutionary, is deeper integration with mobile devices. Copy and paste, device unlocking...

Am I the outlier here? Are most people finding that these are working well? (Clearly there are threads where people aren’t having luck with the unlocking, but is that the aberration, or the norm?)

I like the idea of these additions, but so far none of them are working reliably for me. Siri is… well, Siri. Watch unlock doesn’t work even with the latest betas. Copy and paste I’ve had work once or twice. Handoff in general is worse than it was. It’s all a beta, I get that. I’m just getting the impression this stuff is working for a lot of other people.
 
APFS developer preview technology, alone, should make Sierra a major update
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the new file system is not going to be part of Sierra this fall, but some other version of macOS.

Even if it was, one major feature does not make Sierra a major release. No matter how much you slice it, macOS 10.12 is a minor update, just as 10.11 was. I do like the features that are added, but they are only minor improvements and that's my point. We see apple taking a very small and measured approach to macOS now.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the new file system is not going to be part of Sierra this fall, but some other version of macOS.

Even if it was, one major feature does not make Sierra a major release. No matter how much you slice it, macOS 10.12 is a minor update, just as 10.11 was. I do like the features that are added, but they are only minor improvements and that's my point. We see apple taking a very small and measured approach to macOS now.
Ok, what is the point of this? Do you have any constructive examples?
 
From the OP:
1. Siri
2. Cleaning disk tool
3. Opening the system with iWatch
4. Apple Pay in Safari

Here's a few more:
Siri
Messages app has more rich text emoticon support
Photos is updated with improved faces support
You can unlock the computer with your apple watch.

Its my opinion that what Apple has provided is something that I do not consider as a major operating system upgrade.
 
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