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azpc

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You can sort of do this already by sorting or arranging by “kind”. But you have to go to System Preferences > Spotlight and drag the folders category above your other document types (you don’t have to drag it all the way to the top). Basically, whenever you choose to sort/arrange something by kind, Finder will look at your Spotlight preferences. The only drawback is of course that it will affect your Spotlight main window as well.

I like the idea of Folders on Top. I've used "Arrange by Kind" but I was unaware of the Spotlight trick. Thanks for posting!
 

KALLT

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I like the idea of Folders on Top. I've used "Arrange by Kind" but I was unaware of the Spotlight trick. Thanks for posting!

Damn, it seems no longer possible to drag the categories around. Either this is a bug, or they did lock it down in El Capitan. My old preference still seems to stick though.
 

dyn

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I just can't agree with you. That behavior was in OS X for over a decade.
I disagree. System Preferences currently has "double click window's title bar to" Minimise or Zoom (drop down menu)
It would not take any extra space to add 'Maximise' to the drop down menu, just like adding zoom did not take any extra space.
This isn't about agreeing with me, this is about reading and understanding the comic!

What you want might be the exact opposite of what someone else wants. Usually people then want it to be added as an option to please everyone. After about a month there will be at least 10 of these things and it will grow and grow. After 6 months you are stuck with 30 new options in System Preferences. How do you think navigating those options and finding the option you want is going to work? At least try to understand that you are not the only user and there are lots of different workflows and therefor different wishes. Accommodating everyones wishes by putting everything as an option is NOT the solution. Some of the wishes require a newly approach of a specific system functionality (the traffic light buttons for example).

There is very good reason why a lot of the settings cannot be found in System Preferences and need to be set via a command (defaults, tmutil, fdesetup, pf, etc.) on the commandline.

A terminal command would be another great way to give users options.
That would be the only good alternative. Make it an option that needs to be set via the defaults command.

Btw:
It would not take any extra space to add 'Maximise' to the drop down menu, just like adding zoom did not take any extra space.
Since most apps will maximise instead of zoom by default there is no point in adding the option as it is already the default behaviour. Since most apps have implemented this already it seems that this is also something the app developer can accomplish thus the alternative would be to file it as a feature request with the app developer instead of Apple. Then it also works in other OS X versions ;) Again, simply adding every wish as an option is not always the right solution.
 

KALLT

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This review of Windows 10 might give Apple second thoughts on the new Window splitting feature.

Regarding Aero Snap (Window Snapping):

"The feature is so great, Apple put it in its next version of OS X and iOS for the iPad. But Microsoft’s implementation is better."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/windows-10-or-os-x-a-mac-user-falls-for-the-pc-again-1438106055

Read what she says next: “But Microsoft’s implementation is better, in part because it has addictive keyboard shortcuts (see chart).” That’s all she says about it and that is nothing more than an argument from authority. These keyboard shortcuts are present in OS X as well.

In the beginning she says this: “I’ve spent the past month solely using Windows 10, and I’ve fallen in love with Windows again. In fact, I’ve rarely missed Mac OS X. I’m more productive and faster at handling my many open windows on Microsoft’s latest than on Apple’s.” Yet she never really substantiates this claim and even goes on to criticise the pitfalls that Windows 10 still has.

I think Apple specifically restricted the snapping feature to two tiles instead of four, because four tiles rarely make sense for most users and for those users that need it, they could always use third-party solutions. Just because it can be done, doesn’t mean that it needs to be done.
 

dyn

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Finder column auto adjustment to fit
The problem with this is the Finder window size. It means that stuff will be out of view and thus you'll have to resize the window. They could automatically resize the window but this would be annoying as the size would change with every window you open and contradicts with your other wish (fixed size Finder windows).

Have you tried double clicking the column divider to auto adjust it to the content?

More Aperture-level tools in Photos
Yes please, especially the organising options (since we can now use extensions the need for additional editing tools is less, 3rd parties can fill this void now).

Live previews when you click and hold on the Dock icon of an app similar to the Windows task bar
You mean app Expose we had back in 10.5 or 10.6?

Firewall on by default
To add to that: use a different kind of firewall that uses pf and indeed make sure it is enabled by default. You could say something similar about Filevault but the USA has strict rules on encryption and products that you export so this is probably prohibited.

iDevice syncing separated from iTunes into a standalone "Sync" app.
Yeah, bring back iSync!

Finder folders on top in list view
Hell no, this makes finding stuff much much harder because you actually have to know in advance if it is a directory or file you are looking for. If you want something like that there are other tools available that allow you to put the folders on top.
 

KALLT

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You mean app Expose we had back in 10.5 or 10.6?

App Exposé was added in Snow Leopard, but reworked in Lion. It is still there, you can access it by right-clicking on the Dock icon and selecting Show All Windows. There are some gestures available too, for instance, a three-finger swipe down or a double-tapping on the Magic Mouse while your cursor hovers over the Dock icon. Alternatively, if you want something like Windows 7 has, I recommend the third-party app HyperDock (trial is available).
 

azpc

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Read what she says next: “But Microsoft’s implementation is better, in part because it has addictive keyboard shortcuts (see chart).” That’s all she says about it and that is nothing more than an argument from authority. These keyboard shortcuts are present in OS X as well.

In the beginning she says this: “I’ve spent the past month solely using Windows 10, and I’ve fallen in love with Windows again. In fact, I’ve rarely missed Mac OS X. I’m more productive and faster at handling my many open windows on Microsoft’s latest than on Apple’s.” Yet she never really substantiates this claim and even goes on to criticise the pitfalls that Windows 10 still has.

I think Apple specifically restricted the snapping feature to two tiles instead of four, because four tiles rarely make sense for most users and for those users that need it, they could always use third-party solutions. Just because it can be done, doesn’t mean that it needs to be done.


My point is this:

When reviewers state that they really like how a feature is implemented, great companies listen. Especially when several reviewers mention how great Aero Snapping (Window partitioning) is. Several others on this forum have stated the exact same thing.

Competition is good, it leads to more refined products.
 

KALLT

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My point is this:

When reviewers state that they really like how a feature is implemented, great companies listen. Especially when several reviewers mention how great Aero Snapping (Window partitioning) is. Several others on this forum have stated the exact same thing.

Competition is good, it leads to more refined products.

There are no substantive arguments in there about the window snapping being better than on OS X, which is what you quoted. What do you want Apple to do? Why even mention that quote out of context and without substantiation? Tells us what you want, but don’t post some meaningless reviews here to support your own arguments.

There is nothing better about it, neither is there something radically different. It’s an off-hand remark and I don’t see why you would mention it in this thread.
 
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That is awfully vague. HFS+ works fine as it is but can it work better in certain areas? Sure! Take a look at what btrfs and zfs do. Selfhealing stuff, actual snapshotting and so on are just a few things that we need. And also, something else than .DS_Store.

I am not a File System expert but considering number of problems I and my clients have had with HFS+ those kind of improvements are long overdue.

It does that already. It's in the basic file operations and it works fine. The problem with it working too unreliably is due to something else. They should fix TM so that it doesn't suddenly forget that it has created backups of the machine and thus start to backup as if it were the very first time.

I am not certain its that simple because problem isn't TM starting again. I have seen cryptic error messages and problems when recovering files with TM too many times to trust it. Problems have been more frequent after Yosemite even with new hard drives and I suspect there is some kind of TM related bug in Yosemite. I have contacted Apple about it but I am seriously considering replacing TM with a more robust solution. Qrecal might be good replacement.
 

dyn

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App Exposé was added in Snow Leopard, but reworked in Lion.
No it wasn't. App Exposé was already there in 10.3 (apparently that was 12 years ago!). Back then you activated it with the F9 (Exposé; now F3, well actually it is a dedicated Mission Control key which doubles as F3), F10 (App Exposé; now ctrl-F3), F11 (Show desktop; now cmd-F3) keys. You could also access it via right clicking the icon in the Dock just like you can now. I searched and it was in 10.6 that they added the option to click & hold on the icon in the Dock to activate App Exposé (10.5 added Spaces) besides using F10. In 10.7 they removed it.

What we got in Lion was Mission Control which combined Exposé and Spaces (Spaces was previously activated by using F8) so you had 1 view instead of 2 views to give you a better overview of spaces (now called desktops) and windows.

Alternatively, if you want something like Windows 7 has, I recommend the third-party app HyperDock (trial is available).
HyperDock does it like Windows 7/8/8.1/10 does but that is a bit different than what App Exposé is. It gives you very small thumbnails whereas App Exposé gives you larger thumbnails as well as a sense of where the windows are coming from. That helps in getting a sense of what is where.
 

KALLT

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No it wasn't. App Exposé was already there in 10.3 (apparently that was 12 years ago!). Back then you activated it with the F9 (Exposé; now F3, well actually it is a dedicated Mission Control key which doubles as F3), F10 (App Exposé; now ctrl-F3), F11 (Show desktop; now cmd-F3) keys. You could also access it via right clicking the icon in the Dock just like you can now. I searched and it was in 10.6 that they added the option to click & hold on the icon in the Dock to activate App Exposé (10.5 added Spaces) besides using F10. In 10.7 they removed it.

What we got in Lion was Mission Control which combined Exposé and Spaces (Spaces was previously activated by using F8) so you had 1 view instead of 2 views to give you a better overview of spaces (now called desktops) and windows.

I confused App Exposé with Dock Exposé. But what they meant was something like HyperDock does (hence the comparison to Windows in the OP), not App Exposé, regardless whether it shows live windows or not. In Windows 7 you can just hover over the toolbar and see the previews, whereas you need to enter Mission Control first and don’t get a peek as quickly.
 

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The problem with this is the Finder window size. It means that stuff will be out of view and thus you'll have to resize the window. They could automatically resize the window but this would be annoying as the size would change with every window you open and contradicts with your other wish (fixed size Finder windows).

Have you tried double clicking the column divider to auto adjust it to the content?


Yes, but ideally I would have my Finder window at it's current size and the columns would auto adjust to fit the longest file name and I could just scroll horizontally.


You mean app Expose we had back in 10.5 or 10.6?

No, that one is more disruptive. I was thinking something more like Windows 7's implementation were I could hover the mouse over an app icon in the dock and see a small preview I could click.


no, this makes finding stuff much much harder because you actually have to know in advance if it is a directory or file you are looking for. If you want something like that there are other tools available that allow you to put the folders on top.

A checkbox option would be nice.
 

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This isn't about agreeing with me, this is about reading and understanding the comic!

What you want might be the exact opposite of what someone else wants. Usually people then want it to be added as an option to please everyone. After about a month there will be at least 10 of these things and it will grow and grow. After 6 months you are stuck with 30 new options in System Preferences. How do you think navigating those options and finding the option you want is going to work? At least try to understand that you are not the only user and there are lots of different workflows and therefor different wishes. Accommodating everyones wishes by putting everything as an option is NOT the solution. Some of the wishes require a newly approach of a specific system functionality (the traffic light buttons for example).

There is very good reason why a lot of the settings cannot be found in System Preferences and need to be set via a command (defaults, tmutil, fdesetup, pf, etc.) on the commandline.

I have read and I agree that this topic is becoming over the top. However did you read what I said.... I personally do not need a maximise feature. I rarely use fullscreen either. I mainly use the zoom feature and now do so by double clicking in window's title bar. Having the option to double click the title bar is actually far easier than option click the green button and I am happy that this option has been provided at no extra cost to space in system preferences.

I can't imagine what all these other hypothetical options could be. As I also stated before "terminal command would be another great way to give users options."
 

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This isn't about agreeing with me, this is about reading and understanding the comic!

What you want might be the exact opposite of what someone else wants. Usually people then want it to be added as an option to please everyone. After about a month there will be at least 10 of these things and it will grow and grow. After 6 months you are stuck with 30 new options in System Preferences. How do you think navigating those options and finding the option you want is going to work? At least try to understand that you are not the only user and there are lots of different workflows and therefor different wishes. Accommodating everyones wishes by putting everything as an option is NOT the solution. Some of the wishes require a newly approach of a specific system functionality (the traffic light buttons for example).
You didn't seem to understand the rest of my post.

I'm referring to a setting which would help people's workflows work as they had on OS X for over a decade. Not a new feature of the sort that dozens would be added to OS X if everyone got their way.

This is to simply restore the legacy zoom behavior as the default, as it was in 10.9 and earlier. A maximize option can be debated, but is to be considered a new feature.
 

azpc

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Some prefer that there be no new options. This sounds okay until Apple takes away a feature that is important to them personally. Then all of a sudden the forums are filled with complaints and the need for an option. I've been reading these forums long enough to know that this is true.

Just plain old human nature. Ronald Regan described this well:

"A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours."

We only feel pain when it affects us.

The original posting contains ten proposed features. These may or not be popular with the readers of Mac Rumors. I know they are popular with the student population. A couple of us have compiled a list of the most common Mac / Windows questions at the college.

Those ten requests are at the top of the Mac list.

The specifics of the list change in wording but the general ideas remain the same. More control over the interface and the colors.

Interestingly, a Maximize function, remember window position and folder color options have been on the list since 2006.
 
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azpc

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Interestingly, Windows 10 users are also wanting the ability to have color coded for files and presumably folders.

From PC.Mag

1) The ability to tag and color-highlight files

Ever since OS X Mavericks, Mac users have had the ability to add tags to locally stored files. And Apple users have had the ability to add color-coded categories to files since way back in the pre-large cat days. Windows 7 actually included a file-tagging functionality (which I only recently discovered), but that ability appears to have vanished in Windows 10 for some strange reason. Seems like it would be an easy add, no?

We (Mac users) of course already have tagging. It sure would be nice to have the ability to color code the folders in the Finder. (For example: Red = important, Green = Financial etc.)
 

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Some prefer that there be no new options. This sounds okay until Apple takes away a feature that is important to them personally. Then all of a sudden the forums are filled with complaints and the need for an option. I've been reading these forums long enough to know that this is true.
The problem is that in both cases people only see their own workflows (again, see the comic I put in one of my previous replies). Whatever fixes yours will break others. Then people will come up with something that we in Dutch call "dooddoener" which Google Translate translates as "knockdown argument" or "silencer". There simply isn't a response to a comment like that. In this case the "dooddoener" is "add it as an option". The only thing they do is kill the discussion.

Again, take any iPhone running iOS8 where a lot of apps are installed and try to change one of the apps settings from the iOS Settings app. And do this 10 times in a row. You'll soon be annoyed by the fact that you have to scroll past all those options. So adding yet another option is not as simply and easy as you think. Having options is only fine if you can find them quickly. Some of the proposed ideas here could be an option in the form of a setting that you have to turn on by using the defaults command. How would people feel about that? Is having to turn it on via the commandline acceptable or does it have to be an option in SysPrefs?

Those ten requests are at the top of the Mac list.
Only on that posters list, not on everyones list.

The specifics of the list change in wording but the general ideas remain the same. More control over the interface and the colors.
In all honest I don't think getting more control over the UI is a realistic one though but one can hope :)

I'm referring to a setting which would help people's workflows work as they had on OS X for over a decade. Not a new feature of the sort that dozens would be added to OS X if everyone got their way.
Guess what, so was I ;) You failed to understand the comic. Anything you add or take way will break someones workflow and thus there will always be people who'll complain.

This is to simply restore the legacy zoom behavior as the default, as it was in 10.9 and earlier.
Then the request should be to restore the behaviour to the one in 10.9 and earlier. Which will probably be followed by people wanted it to be like it is now because fullscreen mode is now easier for them. Again, fixing the workflow for one person means breaking it for another.

We (Mac users) of course already have tagging. It sure would be nice to have the ability to color code the folders in the Finder. (For example: Red = important, Green = Financial etc.)
Depends on what you want to do with it. Most is already covered by the new tagging system which is also applied by Gmail (most people wanting tags will refer to Gmails tagging system). What would be the reason to have this besides the tagging functionality? Solely visibility? In that case...what if you add more than 1 tag, what colour does it have to show then? Why not search for that tag(s) (or use a saved search)?
 

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Then the request should be to restore the behaviour to the one in 10.9 and earlier. Which will probably be followed by people wanted it to be like it is now because fullscreen mode is now easier for them. Again, fixing the workflow for one person means breaking it for another.
I would never suggest it be made the default again. Only a setting added for anyone who wishes to do so.

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Guess what, so was I ;) You failed to understand the comic. Anything you add or take way will break someones workflow and thus there will always be people who'll complain.
I fail to understand why this means there shouldn't be a setting to restore the previous behavior, like the two examples I gave from Lion.
 
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KALLT

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Option to set 'Orange' stoplight to 'Hide' instead of 'Minimize'? Though we can live by with Cmd+H.

Try
System Preferences > Dock > Minimise windows into application icon
and see if it's good enough

Changing the minimisation effect to “scale” also helps, because it is faster and visually less distracting.

Then the request should be to restore the behaviour to the one in 10.9 and earlier. Which will probably be followed by people wanted it to be like it is now because fullscreen mode is now easier for them. Again, fixing the workflow for one person means breaking it for another.

Even if Apple never offers an option for that, you can now just double tap/click on the window frame to use the zoom function. It’s literally a few pixels away. Just get used to the fact that you have to do this and use the yellow button when you want to minimise. Problem solved.
 

azpc

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Read what she says next: “But Microsoft’s implementation is better, in part because it has addictive keyboard shortcuts (see chart).”

In part is the key phrase. Or in other words, not the only reason it is superior in her opinion. This is supported by her video.

http://www.wsj.com/video/mac-vs-pc-the-windows-10-edition/8ED6431D-2C31-4189-B342-F7FF3E4B5579.html

Either feature is nice to have. I'm just hoping Apple feels a bit a pressure and pays a bit more attention to OSX.
 
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azpc

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I updated the original list (first post) to include feedback from forum participants.

Changes include:

  • Reworking the uninstall procedure.
  • Specifics on how "Remember Window size and placement could be accomplished without clutter."
  • Suggestion on creating Interface section in System Preferences to improve ease of use without unnecessary clutter.
  • Section on the Contacts App.
  • Section on iTunes.
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