What will be the key to success for 2013 and beyond?

[onthecouchagain]

Again it's sad that some can't comprehend that technology (especially new technology) has growing pains. It's always been like this. Everything new be it from apple or Samsung or someone else will have missteps. This is part of the process. You people seriously think apple implements their new features perfectly without missteps and growing pains? Please. Yet it seems awfully easy to applaud their efforts.

What happened to apples philosophy about freedom to innovate? Samsung has been introducing new things, yet apple loyalists can't appreciate it. Instead they come up with reasons why it's not useful or how half baked it is. Some of this may be true but again that's not the point. And boy does it come off as bitter jealousy.

You can call them what you want, anywhere between innovation to gimmicks. The point is Samsung is doing things with smartphones no one else really is. And thankfully so. It'd be a sorry world if everyone "innovated" at the snails pace that is apple. Heck, never mind android for a moment. Jail breakers are figuring out and improving iOS faster than apple is.

Samsung is giving people new ways to interact with the smartphone that involves less steps and less physical contact with the device itself.

And ultimately this raises the competition of technology. Someone else will make wireless charging even better or improve upon these smart features. It might even be apple that does this. This is all a good thing. All of it.

 

[jrswizzle]

Again it's sad that some can't comprehend that technology (especially new technology) has growing pains. It's always been like this. Everything new be it from apple or Samsung or someone else will have missteps. This is part of the process. You people seriously think apple implements their new features perfectly without missteps and growing pains? Please. Yet it seems awfully easy to applaud their efforts.

What happened to apples philosophy about freedom to innovate? Samsung has been introducing new thins, yet apple loyalists can't appreciate it. Instead only come up with reasons why it's not useful or how half baked it is. Some of this may be true but again that's not the point. And boy does it come off as bitter jealousy.

You can call them what you want, anywhere between innovation to gimmicks. The point is Samsung is doing things with smartphones no one else really is. And thankfully so. It'd be a sorry world if everyone "innovated" at the snails pace that is apple. Heck, never mind android for a moment. Jail breakers are figuring out and improving iOS faster than apple is.

Believe it or not this isn't about Samsung themselves per se. This is about their efforts in pushing the technology. They are giving people new ways to interact with the smartphone that involves less steps and less physical contact with the device itself.

And ultimately this raises the competition of technology. Someone else will make wireless charging even better or improve upon these smart features. It might even be apple that does this. This is all a good thing. All of it.

I don't think I've articulated this well - as I know I'm one of the people this post was directed at, let me explain.

While I can appreciate that a few of Samsung's features might have future implications the do nothing to offset other negatives I have about Samsung. For me, its not simply about a list of features (many of which already exist is some form or fashion which is part of my point) and whether or not I appreciate them - its the fact that those features ( none of which are useful to me) don't outweigh the other issues I have with them.

Stop making this out to be some huge deal and assume that anyone who prefers Apple is against progress....there are a lot of assumptions in your posts.

 

[bmac4]

I don't think I've articulated this well - as I know I'm one of the people this post was directed at, let me explain.

While I can appreciate that a few of Samsung's features might have future implications the do nothing to offset other negatives I have about Samsung. For me, its not simply about a list of features (many of which already exist is some form or fashion which is part of my point) and whether or not I appreciate them - its the fact that those features ( none of which are useful to me) don't outweigh the other issues I have with them.

Stop making this out to be some huge deal and assume that anyone who prefers Apple is against progress....there are a lot of assumptions in your posts.

I think you want to see progress, but the way your posts sound it just does not come across that way. I understand that you don't like the features that Samsung is adding, and I think what really turns you off to Samsung is the marketing. Every single Apple fan I have never seen post about Samsung hates them and mostly because of all their marketing. I understand that it directed right at Apple and holds nothing back, but guess what that is business. I know a lot of people see Apple as taking the higher ground and making great Ads, but I don't see it that way. Every time I see an ad of Apple's I says oh no here we go again Apple talking about how great their idevice is. It gets old.

Your whole hang up about build quality. Did that just come into play when Apple stopped making the iphone with plastic. If I remember correctly the iphone 3g and 3gs were plastic along side most every phone to that point. I really have no problem with it, but let's be real there is nothing really wrong with plastic phone its just the iphone is no longer made of plastic.

The only reason you like the HTC One is because it looks like the iphone, and it built out of aluminum. There is no real specs that put it above the S4 or any other android phone coming out, or currently out.

 

[skratch77]

The gs4 screen beat the iPhone 5 in color accuracy and blew the doors off the LCDs in contrast ratios.it also beat the iPhone 5 in camera tests so I don't know why you spread bs about amoled screens about being over saturated .did you even read any reviews on the gs4 before making swings at it?

Oh thanks for reminding me about screen real estate! Add that to the list vs the HTC one that the gs4 gives more screen in a smaller shell and don't use up any space with on screen buttons.

So other then build quality wtf does the HTC one have over the gs4 that blew you away?

Nothing !!! its hands down an inferior device with an outdated os

 

[jrswizzle]

The gs4 screen beat the iPhone 5 in color accuracy and blew the doors off the LCDs in contrast ratios.it also beat the iPhone 5 in camera tests so I don't know why you spread bs about amoled screens about being over saturated .did you even read any reviews on the gs4 before making swings at it?

Oh thanks for reminding me about screen real estate! Add that to the list vs the HTC one that the gs4 gives more screen in a smaller shell and don't use up any space with on screen buttons.

So other then build quality wtf does the HTC one have over the gs4 that blew you away?

Nothing !!! its hands down an inferior device with an outdated os

Lol ok, obviously thinking on my own doesn't work here. I have to either love Samsung or get out....

Like I said, I don't care or expect you to agree with me. I have my preferences and likes and you have yours. That's why there are choices and multiple options.

If you wouldn't mind linking those reviews you mention, I'd love to read them. AMOLED has always been over-saturated....perhaps this new "diamond matrix" they use offers better accuracy, I reserve the right to see them in person before completely deciding (which by the way I plan on doing - I never said I was FOR SURE buying the HTC One. I have a few questions about it - battery life, timely updates - only that it is my front runner. I have until September to decide so I will be trying each out in store and reading ALL the reviews).

Careful....you sound a lot like an iSheep - only for Samsung....

 

[jrswizzle]

I think you want to see progress, but the way your posts sound it just does not come across that way. I understand that you don't like the features that Samsung is adding, and I think what really turns you off to Samsung is the marketing. Every single Apple fan I have never seen post about Samsung hates them and mostly because of all their marketing. I understand that it directed right at Apple and holds nothing back, but guess what that is business. I know a lot of people see Apple as taking the higher ground and making great Ads, but I don't see it that way. Every time I see an ad of Apple's I says oh no here we go again Apple talking about how great their idevice is. It gets old.

Your whole hang up about build quality. Did that just come into play when Apple stopped making the iphone with plastic. If I remember correctly the iphone 3g and 3gs were plastic along side most every phone to that point. I really have no problem with it, but let's be real there is nothing really wrong with plastic phone its just the iphone is no longer made of plastic.

The only reason you like the HTC One is because it looks like the iphone, and it built out of aluminum. There is no real specs that put it above the S4 or any other android phone coming out, or currently out.

The fallacy of the Android (mainly Samsung) marketing machine is that its all about specs. The GS4 has a higher clocked CPU therefore its better. The GS4's battery is bigger therefore its better. The GS4 has more ppi than the iPhone 5 therefore its better.

I. DO. NOT. CARE. ABOUT. SPECS.

I have 5 things I look for in a smartphone - most of which are subjective:

(1) Build quality - yes I tend to prefer metal/unibody designs. I only owned the 3GS and though it was fine but much preferred the 4-5 designs.
(2) Great customer service - Apple has a HUGE advantage here. Hate dealing with carriers and Google is terrible.
(3) Timely updates - this is one where I'm concerned about the HTC One. We will see if it gets updated in a timely manner. They insist it will get KLP not that long after its released.....luckily I'll be in a position to wait and see.
(4) LCD vs AMOLED - even if the GS4 has higher color accuracy than the iPhone 5 (which I haven't read, but welcome the links), I have preferred this in the past because LCD generally IS better as far as accurate colors a sRGB. Also the brightness is incomparable....
(5) Simple to use - this one is kind of a mix of various things related to the UI and OS. Personally, I don't find a TON different between Android and iOS for my use case. My use case hasn't changed since switching to the Nexus 4 - there are some things I prefer doing on iOS and others I like the way Android does it. But nothing that causes me to loathe or not use either. Pretty much every smartphone nowadays hits this mark - though noticeable lag is unacceptable.

Other than that, if there's a killer feature I think will change my use case or make something I do a ton easier, I'd be more inclined to buy that phone. Otherwise, I don't get caught up in specs (which phone has the higher geekbench score) as long as they run smoothly and I don't get bogged down with a long list of features I'll never use. Sorry, doesn't do it for me.

I've already provided reasons why I see the GS4's new features as relatively underwhelming and not at all innovative, but no one seems to care to respond directly to my comments, instead making me out to be some Android hater, then when that's debunked, Samsung hater (which I've already pretty much admitted to). The half of my Samsung dislike that is preference I've stated and I don't feel needs to be or can be argued. Apple's ads may be repetitive but at least they focus on the device itself rather than belittling the user base of their competitors. The other half of my Samsung dislike is really quite ironic. It stems from the fact that people like skratch here (who likely has called various other people iSheep and made fun of their dedication to Apple) have turned into mindless Samsung followers who can't stand when someone doesn't think they are the greatest thing ever......its really quite comical.

Like I've done numerous times, I freely admit I'm an iOS guy - always have liked it and I have no reason not to stop - my iPhone 5 still does everything I need it to do. Until that day comes or some killer feature comes out somewhere else that changes my usage, I'll continue to like iOS - at this point its about familiarity. Maybe when I'm equally familiar with Android I'll feel the same about both.....who knows. But at this point, I really am not sure what else to tell you guys.....

Think what you want. I'm not here to change anyone's mind - simply offer up the apparently taboo opinion that Samsung isn't some white knight come to usher in a new era of smartphone tech and freedom.

 

[bmac4]

The fallacy of the Android (mainly Samsung) marketing machine is that its all about specs. The GS4 has a higher clocked CPU therefore its better. The GS4's battery is bigger therefore its better. The GS4 has more ppi than the iPhone 5 therefore its better.

I. DO. NOT. CARE. ABOUT. SPECS.

I have 5 things I look for in a smartphone - most of which are subjective:

(1) Build quality - yes I tend to prefer metal/unibody designs. I only owned the 3GS and though it was fine but much preferred the 4-5 designs.
(2) Great customer service - Apple has a HUGE advantage here. Hate dealing with carriers and Google is terrible.
(3) Timely updates - this is one where I'm concerned about the HTC One. We will see if it gets updated in a timely manner. They insist it will get KLP not that long after its released.....luckily I'll be in a position to wait and see.
(4) LCD vs AMOLED - even if the GS4 has higher color accuracy than the iPhone 5 (which I haven't read, but welcome the links), I have preferred this in the past because LCD generally IS better as far as accurate colors a sRGB. Also the brightness is incomparable....
(5) Simple to use - this one is kind of a mix of various things related to the UI and OS. Personally, I don't find a TON different between Android and iOS for my use case. My use case hasn't changed since switching to the Nexus 4 - there are some things I prefer doing on iOS and others I like the way Android does it. But nothing that causes me to loathe or not use either. Pretty much every smartphone nowadays hits this mark - though noticeable lag is unacceptable.

Other than that, if there's a killer feature I think will change my use case or make something I do a ton easier, I'd be more inclined to buy that phone. Otherwise, I don't get caught up in specs (which phone has the higher geekbench score) as long as they run smoothly and I don't get bogged down with a long list of features I'll never use. Sorry, doesn't do it for me.

I've already provided reasons why I see the GS4's new features as relatively underwhelming and not at all innovative, but no one seems to care to respond directly to my comments, instead making me out to be some Android hater, then when that's debunked, Samsung hater (which I've already pretty much admitted to). The half of my Samsung dislike that is preference I've stated and I don't feel needs to be or can be argued. Apple's ads may be repetitive but at least they focus on the device itself rather than belittling the user base of their competitors. The other half of my Samsung dislike is really quite ironic. It stems from the fact that people like skratch here (who likely has called various other people iSheep and made fun of their dedication to Apple) have turned into mindless Samsung followers who can't stand when someone doesn't think they are the greatest thing ever......its really quite comical.

Like I've done numerous times, I freely admit I'm an iOS guy - always have liked it and I have no reason not to stop - my iPhone 5 still does everything I need it to do. Until that day comes or some killer feature comes out somewhere else that changes my usage, I'll continue to like iOS - at this point its about familiarity. Maybe when I'm equally familiar with Android I'll feel the same about both.....who knows. But at this point, I really am not sure what else to tell you guys.....

Think what you want. I'm not here to change anyone's mind - simply offer up the apparently taboo opinion that Samsung isn't some white knight come to usher in a new era of smartphone tech and freedom.

I am not suggesting anything about you. All I am saying is one of your qualifications for a phone is build quality, but that was not made an issue until the iphone 4 came out. You just said you had the iphone 3g. My issue is that anything other than plastic was use on almost all phones up until the iphone 4, so now it is some kind of a standard for others to follow. I don't understand. I get that you like iOS better I am cool with that, but when you talk bad about Samsung expect people not to like it. Also talking about build quality just does not hold up for me.

 

[jrswizzle]

I am not suggesting anything about you. All I am saying is one of your qualifications for a phone is build quality, but that was not made an issue until the iphone 4 came out. You just said you had the iphone 3g. My issue is that anything other than plastic was use on almost all phones up until the iphone 4, so now it is some kind of a standard for others to follow. I don't understand. I get that you like iOS better I am cool with that, but when you talk bad about Samsung expect people not to like it. Also talking about build quality just does not hold up for me.

I had the 3GS - and while most were plastic up until the iPhone 4, I'd argue no one knew any different.

Now that the 4, 4S and 5 have come out, I much prefer the metal build (and design aesthetics to those of the GS4.

This is a preference. I'm well aware there are plenty of people who like the GS4 design and prefer it. I'm not trying to argue one is better than the other - simply that I like one better than the other.

So it's not ok to talk bad about Samsung, but expected and welcome to bash Apple? I know I've been encouraged to help make Apple better by criticizing them, yet when I do the same with Samsung, I'm met with hostility and my arguments are dismissed.

Double standard my friend.

 

[skratch77]

here is a few reviews on the gs4 screen

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p3.php

http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-ga...firms-amoleds-can-finally-do-accurate-colors/

When it comes to white balance the Galaxy S4 in Film and Adobe RGB modes is closest to the desired 6500K color temperature while the iPhone 5 got about 7250K and the HTC One 8000K, both going for a colder color temperature.

When it comes to deep blacks and contrast the Super AMOLED retained its edge over the IPS LCDs it faced.

You are not talking bad about Samsung you are making bs claims like how the battery life will suffer from the camera always on and how saturated the amoled screen is and so on and so forth.

its getting old reading all your hating about the galaxy device and talking up htc like it has better warranty support over Samsung,that is is a joke right? and the fact that most htc phones are still on ics and you some how think the htc one will get klp? the htc incridble 4g is still on ics and that phone has the same exact hardware as the gs3 and its still on ics!!!

Samsung on the other hand has pushed the latest jellybean to the freaking galaxy s2 and that is like 2 years old so don't come in hear preaching about how maybe htc will update its os better then Samsung when up to now has left every single person behind on every new phone that comes out from them.

 

[bmac4]

I had the 3GS - and while most were plastic up until the iPhone 4, I'd argue no one knew any different.

Now that the 4, 4S and 5 have come out, I much prefer the metal build (and design aesthetics to those of the GS4.

This is a preference. I'm well aware there are plenty of people who like the GS4 design and prefer it. I'm not trying to argue one is better than the other - simply that I like one better than the other.

So it's not ok to talk bad about Samsung, but expected and welcome to bash Apple? I know I've been encouraged to help make Apple better by criticizing them, yet when I do the same with Samsung, I'm met with hostility and my arguments are dismissed.

Double standard my friend.

Nope I have simply listed each of them have faults in this very forum. I listed what I liked and disliked about both. What I have seen you do is that same thing. It is all about how bad Samsung is. You admitted that you do not like Samsung ads, and it seems that you and everyone else hold that against Samsung. I think the problem people have with the ads is that the truth hurts sometimes.

I will say it again. Samsung has touchwiz which is not my favorite thing in the world. I think that is a fault in Samsung. The iphone has a ios which has not so changed in terms of UI in a long time. I consider that a fault. Is that fair?

 

[jrswizzle]

here is a few reviews on the gs4 screen

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913p3.php

http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-ga...firms-amoleds-can-finally-do-accurate-colors/

Ya I found that Russian one - went over to their website and tried to wade through the broken Google translated English....

While I don't come to the conclusion (I don't think they do) that the GS4 offers MORE accurate colors than the iPhone 5 (seems like it bests the One though), I concede the point that AMOLEDS are over saturated. With the high PPI and new diamond matrix it seems Samsung has whittled away the negatives associated with pentile AMOLED screens - just wonder about the brightness now.

Read the first you posted - very good info thanks. The way you talk, you would think the One got dominated, which certainly wasn't the case. Camera isn't an issue for me nor is CPU/GPU speed (any of these phones will be plenty fast). I am interested to test out each skin (TouchWiz vs. Sense) and also see the displays in person - they didn't seem to think there was a huge difference, but the edge definitely went to the GS4.....

I am however quite interested in the speakers on the One....that seems pretty nifty and would love to hear the sound they produce.....my iPod is under repair and I have a really old dock (didn't even work with my iPhone 4) that will only take my old iPod classic (I'm refurbishing it and haven't bought the 128gb SSD yet) so a phone that can produce great sound from the speakers is a plus for me as well.

And yes - the build quality (look, feel, materials) is one of my top criteria. We will have to see....the HTC One is still my top choice.

 

[skratch77]

Ya I found that Russian one - went over to their website and tried to wade through the broken Google translated English....

While I don't come to the conclusion (I don't think they do) that the GS4 offers MORE accurate colors than the iPhone 5 (seems like it bests the One though), I concede the point that AMOLEDS are over saturated. With the high PPI and new diamond matrix it seems Samsung has whittled away the negatives associated with pentile AMOLED screens - just wonder about the brightness now.

Read the first you posted - very good info thanks. The way you talk, you would think the One got dominated, which certainly wasn't the case. Camera isn't an issue for me nor is CPU/GPU speed (any of these phones will be plenty fast). I am interested to test out each skin (TouchWiz vs. Sense) and also see the displays in person - they didn't seem to think there was a huge difference, but the edge definitely went to the GS4.....

I am however quite interested in the speakers on the One....that seems pretty nifty and would love to hear the sound they produce.....my iPod is under repair and I have a really old dock (didn't even work with my iPhone 4) that will only take my old iPod classic (I'm refurbishing it and haven't bought the 128gb SSD yet) so a phone that can produce great sound from the speakers is a plus for me as well.

And yes - the build quality (look, feel, materials) is one of my top criteria. We will have to see....the HTC One is still my top choice.

That review was not in Russian and was for the snap dragon gs4 and its funny how you like the big stereo speakers on the htc one,if the gs4 had them you would of said its battery life would suffer from them.

the octo version is scoring 4-5k higher in geek bench and is also beating the snapdragon version in every other speed test.
edit I didn't realize the original source was from a Russian review but it still hold water.

Samsung listened to people and gave them options on the screen calibration,some like pop and saturated colors(just go in instantgram and look how people tweak there pictures)and some like natural colors so now we have a choice instead of installing tweaked kernels with different color profiles

 

[jrswizzle]

Just calm down and breathe.....

When it comes to white balance the Galaxy S4 in Film and Adobe RGB modes is closest to the desired 6500K color temperature while the iPhone 5 got about 7250K and the HTC One 8000K, both going for a colder color temperature.

When it comes to deep blacks and contrast the Super AMOLED retained its edge over the IPS LCDs it faced..

You are not talking bad about Samsung you are making bs claims like how the battery life will suffer from the camera always on and how saturated the amoled screen is and so on and so forth.

Up until the GS4, AMOLEDS have always been over-saturated. It wasn't until a little while after the presentation we finally got an answer on what the display actually looked like. I've already acknowledged AMOLED has caught up in color accuracy....just relax

its getting old reading all your hating about the galaxy device and talking up htc like it has better warranty support over Samsung,that is is a joke right? and the fact that most htc phones are still on ics and you some how think the htc one will get klp? the htc incridble 4g is still on ics and that phone has the same exact hardware as the gs3 and its still on ics!!!

When have I ever talked about HTC warranty support? I said I hate dealing with carriers and Google sucks.....nothing about HTC or Samsung specifically - none will rival Apple as I have two Apple stores within a 20 minute drive from my house.....

As for updates, I've already stated I will be watching this closely as it is one of my 5 criteria (timely updates). HTC has stated they will be on top of updates - and given they aren't going to be busy launching multiple flagships this year, I might be inclined to believe them. The difference between 4.1.2 and 4.2.2 (that I would care about) is lockscreen widgets....not THAT huge of a deal. And I'll still have my Nexus 4 to play with KLP on....as I said, I have until September (which, if HTC was telling the truth and Google releases KLP this summer should give them enough time to update the One - I heard something like 8-12 weeks from another poster watching these releases closely).

Just relax. You are getting incredibly worked up over nothing - not even bothering to read what I post - Your first two points are things I've already covered.....

Samsung on the other hand has pushed the latest jellybean to the freaking galaxy s2 and that is like 2 years old so don't come in hear preaching about how maybe htc will update its os better then Samsung when up to now has left every single person behind on every new phone that comes out from them.

Again, I never compared the two.....obviously Samsung has done a better job of updating in the past (though due to the nature of Android skins, it still takes time - reason why as far as Android goes I prefer the Nexus line if I can help it). You're making stuff up.....slow down, take a deep breath and READ my posts, line by line, before posting this angry nonsense.

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That review was not in Russian and was for the snap dragon gs4 and its funny how you like the big stereo speakers on the htc one,if the gs4 had them you would of said its battery life would suffer from them.

the octo version is scoring 4-5k higher in geek bench and is also beating the snapdragon version in every other speed test.

If you actually read the article you would know they quoted a Russian site which did the actual comparison between the displays.

As far as I know playing music doesn't affect battery life hardly at all on ANY smartphone.

Lastly, I couldn't care less about Geekbench scores (though I would love to see the link to those scores....the ones I saw showed a minimal difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm SoCs) when buying a smartphone - they are all fast enough for me. Higher score is nice, but I'll likely replace the phone next year anyways.

Dude....grow up.

 

[skratch77]

Just calm down and breathe.....




Up until the GS4, AMOLEDS have always been over-saturated. It wasn't until a little while after the presentation we finally got an answer on what the display actually looked like. I've already acknowledged AMOLED has caught up in color accuracy....just relax



When have I ever talked about HTC warranty support? I said I hate dealing with carriers and Google sucks.....nothing about HTC or Samsung specifically - none will rival Apple as I have two Apple stores within a 20 minute drive from my house.....

As for updates, I've already stated I will be watching this closely as it is one of my 5 criteria (timely updates). HTC has stated they will be on top of updates - and given they aren't going to be busy launching multiple flagships this year, I might be inclined to believe them. The difference between 4.1.2 and 4.2.2 (that I would care about) is lockscreen widgets....not THAT huge of a deal. And I'll still have my Nexus 4 to play with KLP on....as I said, I have until September (which, if HTC was telling the truth and Google releases KLP this summer should give them enough time to update the One - I heard something like 8-12 weeks from another poster watching these releases closely).

Just relax. You are getting incredibly worked up over nothing - not even bothering to read what I post - Your first two points are things I've already covered.....



Again, I never compared the two.....obviously Samsung has done a better job of updating in the past (though due to the nature of Android skins, it still takes time - reason why as far as Android goes I prefer the Nexus line if I can help it). You're making stuff up.....slow down, take a deep breath and READ my posts, line by line, before posting this angry nonsense.

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If you actually read the article you would know they quoted a Russian site which did the actual comparison between the displays.

As far as I know playing music doesn't affect battery life hardly at all on ANY smartphone.

Lastly, I couldn't care less about Geekbench scores (though I would love to see the link to those scores....the ones I saw showed a minimal difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm SoCs) when buying a smartphone - they are all fast enough for me. Higher score is nice, but I'll likely replace the phone next year anyways.

Dude....grow up.

man Im not even going to waste my time finding all the bs you post about the gs4,its clear you hate the darn thing.Just read your list and how biased your are and try to read it as someone that actually doesn't care about phones.

just take 5 mins and go threw your posts on here and see how much crap you talk about the gs4 and praise htc over it.

while on the subject of os and dev support why is it that htc is selling a dev model with unlocked bootloader off contract at full retail and locking the boot on the reg version? why the need for htc to do this?you know you would be all over Samsung if it was the other way around. I like with the htc one,its a great cell but not even close to the octo gs4 in overall features and bang for the buck you get out of it.

you do know the second someone cracks it and flashed the none unlocked loader on it that it will get flagged in the write memory and void your warranty right? so you can kiss htcs support out the window if you ever plan on tweaking the one,like when people get fed up with htc for not updating os on there devices and turn to dev for updated android to flash on themselves

 

[jrswizzle]

man Im not even going to waste my time finding all the bs you post about the gs4,its clear you hate the darn thing.Just read your list and how biased your are and try to read it as someone that actually doesn't care about phones.

Ok? So I've stated I was wrong about the GS4 AMOLEDs, I say I think the camera usage might affect battery life (though for me, wouldn't matter since I wouldn't use the feature - so touche), and list the GS4 features and why I don't think they are innovations.....please help me find the BS?

Oh and please tell me what my list is and how it's biased (in ways I didn't explicitly state) - specifically. I don't think you even know what I'm saying or have any clue how I actually feel about any of this - you only see red.

just take 5 mins and go threw your posts on here and see how much crap you talk about the gs4 and praise htc over it.

Care to provide some samples? Its ok if you paraphrase....

while on the subject of os and dev support why is it that htc is selling a dev model with unlocked bootloader off contract at full retail and locking the boot on the reg version? why the need for htc to do this?you know you would be all over Samsung if it was the other way around and good like with the htc one,its a great cell but not even close to the octo gs4 in overall features and bang for the buck you get out of it.

Lol did I not say, not a few posts ago that I DON'T CARE about dev support because I don't plan on rooting my phone.....which means I've made no comparison between the two. Both Samsung and HTC are equal in my eyes here because its not something I care about.....I certainly have never said anything about HTC being superior?!

YOU. ARE. MAKING. STUFF. UP. (is that easier for you to understand, if I put it in all caps? Because clearly you aren't paying any attention to anything I'm saying).

 

[bmac4]

I had the 3GS - and while most were plastic up until the iPhone 4, I'd argue no one knew any different.

Now that the 4, 4S and 5 have come out, I much prefer the metal build (and design aesthetics to those of the GS4.

This is a preference. I'm well aware there are plenty of people who like the GS4 design and prefer it. I'm not trying to argue one is better than the other - simply that I like one better than the other.

So it's not ok to talk bad about Samsung, but expected and welcome to bash Apple? I know I've been encouraged to help make Apple better by criticizing them, yet when I do the same with Samsung, I'm met with hostility and my arguments are dismissed.

Double standard my friend.

I love it you amaze me each new thread to put your 2 cents into. You say that everyone can trash Apple, but you can't trash Samsung. I post my 2nd response to how I feel both have faults and list faults and you just simple pass it by. Why ever both engaging in these threads? All along I have said Samsung has faults and they have worked to do. How come I can't expect the same from you?

 

[jrswizzle]

I love it you amaze me each new thread to put your 2 cents into. You say that everyone can trash Apple, but you can't trash Samsung. I post my 2nd response to how I feel both have faults and list faults and you just simple pass it by. Why ever both engaging in these threads? All along I have said Samsung has faults and they have worked to do. How come I can't expect the same from you?

I'm sorry - I have been completely sidetracked by the nonsense this skratch guy is posting....

I'm not saying I want free reign to "trash Samsung" - I simply think that the opinion Samsung isn't perfect should be valid and discussed - not dismissed and belittled by baseless generalizations and incoherent nonsense.

You are the not target of these posts - we have had many exchanges in other threads and I think you are one of the more balanced posters here. If I ever insinuated anything else, I apologize.

 

[skratch77]

I love it you amaze me each new thread to put your 2 cents into. You say that everyone can trash Apple, but you can't trash Samsung. I post my 2nd response to how I feel both have faults and list faults and you just simple pass it by. Why ever both engaging in these threads? All along I have said Samsung has faults and they have worked to do. How come I can't expect the same from you?

tits great huh? like even when he posts bs claims about the gs4 and people like me try to correct him he brings out the isheep and calls me the apple troll for Samsung,when have I ever even talked about the iphone 5 in a bad way,look at every single one of my posts....I freaking have the darn 5 and waiting to get into a gs4 this summer.

he states things like the gs4 screen is overstaturated,claims air view is a joke because they can just click the video and watch it,but never understands that people record lots of video and just want a quick glance to see if its the right one to show,says things like how the camera sense feature will drain battery and has no clue how much power it draws and so on and so fourth.

says nothing on the gs4 wows him but for some reason has really nothing to say about the htc one,I don't see him posting the same stuff about that phone. He dosnt need a micro sd card,dont care about pictures because his iphone 5 can take great pics and could care less about a removable battery.

other then the htc one being made of metal it has NOTHING on the gs4,nothing.just install vanilla android on the gs4 and all you hate about touchwize and Samsung is gone.Its easy to do as the phone comes unlockable from the factory.

IM so sick and tired of him complaining about the same old things about the gs4,its getting so old and this is the competitors to ios but for some reason it seems like the place to post hate towards Samsung and nothing else.

 

[jrswizzle]

tits great huh? like even when he posts bs claims about the gs4 and people like me try to correct him he brings out the isheep and calls me the apple troll for Samsung,when have I ever even talked about the iphone 5 in a bad way,look at every single one of my posts....I freaking have the darn 5 and waiting to get into a gs4 this summer.

You seem to be incapable of accepting anyone's criticisms of Samsung. That would be constituted as "s-Sheepish".

he states things like the gs4 screen is overstaturated,claims air view is a joke because they can just click the video and watch it,but never understands that people record lots of video and just want a quick glance to see if its the right one to show,says things like how the camera sense feature will drain battery and has no clue how much power it draws and so on and so fourth.

For the umpteenth time - I've already said the GS4 screen ISN'T over saturated and that I was wrong. I also said I wouldn't use the smart stay and other camera features, so even if it did (which it may not) drain the battery, it wouldn't matter to me, thus rendering that comment moot.

Does the list of videos not show you which one you are looking at? Unless you don't label them at all and start each video from the exact same beginning point....but really I have no idea what we are arguing about here - I made mention of emails not videos.

says nothing on the gs4 wows him but for some reason has really nothing to say about the htc one,I don't see him posting the same stuff about that phone that suck ballz but to him,he dosnt need a micro sd card,dont care about pictures because his iphone 5 can take great pics and could care less about a removable battery.

Given Samsung is supposedly the only company innovating, yeah I was expecting to be wowed. It didn't happen, I like the HTC One - so what? And so what I don't need the last three things you mention?

other then the htc one being made of metal it has NOTHING on the gs4,nothing.just install vanilla android on the gs4 and all you hate about touchwize and Samsung is gone.Its easy to do as the phone comes unlockable from the factory.

FOR. YOU. And for the umpteenth time, I do NOT want to root my phone.

??? The fact that you decided to ignore my post and quote his tells me a few things:

(1) You can't answer any of my questions/rebuttals.
(2) You're a troll.

Have a nice day.

 

[skratch77]

??? The fact that you decided to ignore my post and quote his tells me a few things:

(1) You can't answer any of my questions/rebuttals.
(2) You're a troll.

Have a nice day.

I told you I don't have the time to go threw all your posts,just go a few pages back and look at your rebuttals on the gs4 vs gs3 list you made.

 

[bmac4]

I'm sorry - I have been completely sidetracked by the nonsense this skratch guy is posting....

I'm not saying I want free reign to "trash Samsung" - I simply think that the opinion Samsung isn't perfect should be valid and discussed - not dismissed and belittled by baseless generalizations and incoherent nonsense.

You are the not target of these posts - we have had many exchanges in other threads and I think you are one of the more balanced posters here. If I ever insinuated anything else, I apologize.

Hey we are good I think we both understand that both companies good they both have things that are good and bad. Enjoy your discussion I am not getting in the middle of that one cause I have no idea what is going on.

My thoughts are Apple is a great company working hard to make their customers happy and make money, and Samsung is trying to do the same thing.

 

[jrswizzle]

I told you I don't have the time to go threw all your posts,just go a few pages back and look at your rebuttals on the gs4 vs gs3 list you made.

Ok....what specifically about those rebuttals was wrong, if you feel so strongly about them?

Do as I did - post, comment by comment, responses to each. That was what I was expecting from someone who disagreed. Not this foaming at the mouth, angry nonsense you've posted.

I've gone back and restated some of my points more than 3 times and you continue to ignore them. Since that GS4 list was what made you so angry, go ahead and quote it, and post on each one what about my comments was wrong.

I'll be right here.

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Hey we are good I think we both understand that both companies good they both have things that are good and bad. Enjoy your discussion I am not getting in the middle of that one cause I have no idea what is going on.

My thoughts are Apple is a great company working hard to make their customers happy and make money, and Samsung is trying to do the same thing.

I agree - I think Samsung is being Apple better than Apple is right now - albeit a tad bit differently (different marketing strategy). Samsung will certainly sell tons of GS4s. I do hope the One gets a shot though.....I'd like to see more than the Apple/Samsung duopoly we're seeing.

This is my deal - all these phones have gotten to the point where most flagships are plenty for what I need and want. So how do I make a decision on which to buy? I have my 5 criteria which narrows the field a bit - of course my familiarity with iOS makes it a shoo-in right now, but I really like using multiple platforms. So for me, deciding between say the One and the GS4 comes down to some pretty subjective things (like build quality and marketing strategies). I'm not saying my way is best or works for anyone but me - that's just how I do it. If I bought a GS4, I'd likely be perfectly happy with it - I just don't like Samsung as a company and that is one of the things that causes me to pick say the One over the GS4.

But as I said - if the GS4 had some "wow" feature - I'd be willing to put my dislike for their marketing strategies aside. Its all about ranking my criteria. Some things carry more weight than others, but when pretty much everything is equal (for features I'd never use that constitutes as an equal), it comes down to other criteria I wouldn't normally use - which is why I said I was considering the GS4 before the presentation underwhelmed.

Really, I'm still considering it - upgrade eligible in September and will try and play with each phone extensively before buying - the HTC One is simply the front runner FOR ME.

As for the answer to the OP's question - I've already said marketing will win 2013 and no one markets harder than Samsung and Apple - which is why they will be the top two OEMs again this year.

 

[bmac4]

Ok....what specifically about those rebuttals was wrong, if you feel so strongly about them?

Do as I did - post, comment by comment, responses to each. That was what I was expecting from someone who disagreed. Not this foaming at the mouth, angry nonsense you've posted.

I've gone back and restated some of my points more than 3 times and you continue to ignore them. Since that GS4 list was what made you so angry, go ahead and quote it, and post on each one what about my comments was wrong.

I'll be right here.

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I agree - I think Samsung is being Apple better than Apple is right now - albeit a tad bit differently (different marketing strategy). Samsung will certainly sell tons of GS4s. I do hope the One gets a shot though.....I'd like to see more than the Apple/Samsung duopoly we're seeing.

So I am just going to try and understand you for a minute. Honestly I am trying to see where you are coming from. You choose the iphone over any phone which is great and I understand that completely. You have the nexus 4 which you like, but would still choose the iphone over it. Again I give you credit because you have tried the android. What makes the HTC One your choice as next android? I know you like the build quality, but things like sense don't seem to match up with your qualifications. It really is kind of hard to to get things done that should be simple. You will have to go through lots of setting menus to get things done. Other than the build of the phone it really is another world from the iphone.

I owned an HTC which was my very first android phone. While the build quality was one of the best of all the Android phones I have owned. Sense just did not work for me. They tried to hard to make it look like their own thing it really did slow the phone down. After that phone I said I would never own an android from that was not a nexus phone. After have 2 Samsung nexus phones and loving them my next android was this my note 2. Could not be happier. Now I still love stock android, but with launchers now I can make it more stock without losing the touchwiz features I want. HTC just seems to try to do too much. Just though I would share my experience.

 

[jrswizzle]

So I am just going to try and understand you for a minute. Honestly I am trying to see where you are coming from. You choose the iphone over any phone which is great and I understand that completely. You have the nexus 4 which you like, but would still choose the iphone over it. Again I give you credit because you have tried the android. What makes the HTC One your choice as next android? I know you like the build quality, but things like sense don't seem to match up with your qualifications. It really is kind of hard to to get things done that should be simple. You will have to go through lots of setting menus to get things done. Other than the build of the phone it really is another world from the iphone.

I owned an HTC which was my very first android phone. While the build quality was one of the best of all the Android phones I have owned. Sense just did not work for me. They tried to hard to make it look like their own thing it really did slow the phone down. After that phone I said I would never own an android from that was not a nexus phone. After have 2 Samsung nexus phones and loving them my next android was this my note 2. Could not be happier. Now I still love stock android, but with launchers now I can make it more stock without losing the touchwiz features I want. HTC just seems to try to do too much. Just though I would share my experience.

Sure - I plan on testing Sense 5 out for sure. Any lag would be a complete turn off for me. I actually like the idea of BlinkFeed (even though I know many don't). I'm a heavy Flipboard user and something like BlinkFeed is appealing. I also actually like the LOOK of Sense, though we will see if it works for me or not and the speakers are a big plus.

From what I've read though, overall there are fewer, more useful features in Sense versus the huge list in TouchWiz - I'm anxious to try out a "skinned Android" phone as my only experience has been Nexus thus far - and since I can buy Nexus off-contract and have two upgrades (1 each year) to use, I figured I might make use of it and try some things out.

As I said - in no way is my mind 100% made up yet. I still want to see what Google and Motorola roll out and want to get my own hands on with each device.

Just simply, given the reviews I've read, and the designs, I'm leaning toward the HTC One more than the GS4.

 

[bmac4]

Sure - I plan on testing Sense 5 out for sure. Any lag would be a complete turn off for me. I actually like the idea of BlinkFeed (even though I know many don't). I'm a heavy Flipboard user and something like BlinkFeed is appealing. I also actually like the LOOK of Sense, though we will see if it works for me or not and the speakers are a big plus.

From what I've read though, overall there are fewer, more useful features in Sense versus the huge list in TouchWiz - I'm anxious to try out a "skinned Android" phone as my only experience has been Nexus thus far - and since I can buy Nexus off-contract and have two upgrades (1 each year) to use, I figured I might make use of it and try some things out.

As I said - in no way is my mind 100% made up yet. I still want to see what Google and Motorola roll out and want to get my own hands on with each device.

Just simply, given the reviews I've read, and the designs, I'm leaning toward the HTC One more than the GS4.

Yea I understand that. I read your edited post talking about marketing and how you don't like Samsung's and in turn don't like Samsung as a company that much. Which again I understand that too. Since you like Apple and the iphone more than any other smartphone that would be a turn off to me too. I like what they are trying to do even if I do like Apple. I think Apple comes across as arrogant to me, and that is a turn off.

If I were you I would give both phones a try and see what you like. Read a lot of reviews because they usually know what they are taking about. I can just say skins on android and android have come a long way. If you really like features that come with a skin, but don't like the skin that much then you can just download a launcher and you are good to go. Since you like the Blinkfeed you may really like the One.

I like you feel like we are about a year away from seeing Apple doing anything hugely different. Which is fine because the 5s will still sell out pre orders and sell millions. Are you going to get the 5s?