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The only thing I've changed -- well really just "maintained" -- is that I'm not getting any deeper into ecosystem lock than I already am.

For instance, I've started the move off 1Password, but I'm not going to Apple Passwords.

(many reasons for that, but a big one is not wanting all the eggs in the Apple cart)

I'd be exceptionally amenable to an Android phone if someone released something new that is iPhone Mini size or smaller. Those dollars of mine are very much in play moving forward. For a mobile phone, the form factor/size is #1 consideration for me.
 
Lack of a real firewall on iOS. It was great during the hey-day of jailbreaking, but once Apple started breaking jailbreak with every minor update. That was it.

Lack of a real firewall on a device connected to the net 24/7 is the deal breaker. I want what happens on my phone to stay on my phone.
 
Instead of using all those privacy-oriented services I just... fake my digital life.
I did this for my entire life, save Apple, a company I chose to trust (or rather I trusted Jobs). Since 2006, Apple always got my real name, full details, etc. Last year, that all changed. I pulled out everything. Everything is fictional or as obfuscated as I can make it. I’m sure they still know as much as before (hell, even more probably) but not willingly.

Additionally, I used to want the same name across all my accounts for continuity, but that too has changed. My online persona shifts across every platform (tho admittedly I bailed on most social media). Stories are twisted. If something happened to my brother, well, he’s my sister now. My mom, my uncle. I was 7 is now 9, 11. Not me, my “friend.” Every detail I share online is adapted from a true story, with as many fake details as possible so bots can chase their tails. We went camping in Australia. No wait, it was Canada. No Mexico. Oops. It’s gotten to the point that I really hate sharing pictures online as some bot will unequivocally triangulate my location thru some obscure tree in the background just by the way it’s shaped. Don’t believe they can get that level of detail? I have some bad news for you. They have been lidar scanning the planet. Arguably Pokemon Go became the biggest high fidelity map of the globe; all crowd sourced by its player base. And I hate that. I hate that some bot is continually building data points in some database somewhere. Often controlled by private equity.

I watched a video on YT showing just how easy it is to continuously track you just thru your weather app, nothing more. Most of your lifestyle can be deduced. A stationary location of 7-9h means that is your home. A visit to a location 3-4x a week for 1h is likely a gym. Then they work outward. How many grocery stores are there around that one stationary location. What kind of clientele do they service (high end, low end, etc. which indicates socioeconomic status). As a statistician, you can easily build up a working model of anyone’s life with a high level of certainty given enough data points. Sprinkle in some serious compute power and it becomes child’s play. Full autonomous. Get their CC number and boom, you tie it all together with a bow.

All of Apple’s apps have unique identifiers now. Every single one. They constantly ping back daya every second to various domains (news.apple.com being a big one that is tied into almost all their apps). Their promise of privacy means next to nothing when you learn that anonymization has been circumvented mere months after being deployed with accuracy levels exceeding 95%. It also doesn’t help that all this data is outside the governments reach and in the hands of private actors or contractors that don’t need to adhere to the same level of scrutiny and due process.

I don’t think people realize that your images sent to the cloud as being scanned. Apple has a legal responsibility to not only block but report CSAM. They can say it’s all anonymously gathered, but the image still has to be looked at. Same applies across the board. Google. Amazon. They routinely scan images and should any get flagged, they are sent in for review and then dealt with. There is no metric to false positives. As a society we don’t hear much about people who get railroaded. Every company that promised ID scanning was locked in a vault or deleted after time, lied. 100%. All lied about how it was stored and for how long.

Marketing is doing a lot of heavy lifting when it comes to “privacy.” Read Apple’s own details on the matter. This is from their Apple Music and privacy link inside Music’s settings page:

Preventing Fraud and Other Malicious Activity

We compute a device trust score on your device when you attempt a purchase using information about how you use your device, including the approximate number of phone calls or emails you send and receive. The submission is designed so Apple cannot learn the underlying values on your device. The score is stored for a fixed time on our servers. Apple may also use information about your historical business relationship with Apple to process Apple Music subscription renewals and determine whether to provide ongoing access to your subscription in advance of authorization by the payment partner.


While nothing is pulling from identifiable material with your express name on it, their little bots are combining and sifting through everything under your nose. Don’t mind me, just going thru your trash. I see you like Raisin Bran. Interesting. Noted.
 
Lack of a real firewall on iOS. It was great during the hey-day of jailbreaking, but once Apple started breaking jailbreak with every minor update. That was it.

Lack of a real firewall on a device connected to the net 24/7 is the deal breaker. I want what happens on my phone to stay on my phone.
I installed Little Snitch last year and it’s not only been an eye opener but immensely helpful in controlling unwanted network activity. I had a lot of intermittent instability in my network which greatly exceeds my needs. After LS, those have become a thing of the past. Some domains get blocked 300k times a month! Apple’s own apps constantly ping various domains by the minute! I can only imagine what iOS is doing!

Also here’s a protip I wasn’t aware of till recently. Allowing iOS to use cellular to strengthen your WiFi bypasses your router’s DNS and defaults to your ISPs. Kinda wild.
 
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I installed Little Snitch last year and it’s not only been an eye opener but immensely helpful in controlling unwanted network activity. I had a lot of intermittent instability in my network which greatly exceeds my needs. After LS, those have become a thing of the past. Some domains get blocked 300k times a month! Apple’s own apps constantly ping various domains by the minute! I can only imagine what iOS is doing!

Also here’s a protip I wasn’t aware of till recently. Allowing iOS to use cellular to strengthen your WiFi bypasses your router’s DNS and defaults to your ISPs. Kinda wild.

I consider LittleSnitch and uBlockOrigin to be mandatory on my Macs.

I've also recently switched from mainline Firefox to Librewolf, and I'm thoroughly enjoying the additional out of the box protections, niceties and removal of some of the default "meh" that FF has been foisting on users lately.
 
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With apple pushing at least 30% profit margins - the apple tax is a real thing.

Prior to rampocolypse, the cost of ram/ssd increases was absurd.
It’s more like 75-80%. Nvidia pulled in 78.4% in 2026 if I recall. The 30-35% is for retailer profits. Manufacturers take obscene amounts. It’s also how Amazon and others provide steep discounts (my CC provider was offering AirPod Pro 3s during their initial launch month thru its loyalty program for 35% off). Retail prices are insanely boosted to make sure they hit those numbers. It’s what happens when you operate for the investor, rather than your customers.

Apple could drop the price of their iPhones by 50% (pre AI slop pricing) and still be profitable. They just wouldn’t make $60B per quarter but maybe $20B. Greed is humanity’s Gordian Knot.
 
I guess the most direct answer I could give to the question posed by the thread title is:

"If Apple locked down macOS as much as iOS"

If they ever do that, I'm out on the Mac.
And if I'm out on the Mac, all of the rest of it is then in play too.

I know they are basically "iPhone Inc" these days, but for me, I'm a Mac user first and foremost.
It's always been that way, and always will be.
 
I consider LittleSnitch and uBlockOrigin to be mandatory on my Macs.

I've also recently switched from mainline Firefox to Librewolf, and I'm thoroughly enjoying the additional out of the box protections, niceties and removal of some of the default "meh" the FF has been foisting on users lately.
I tried LW but went back to FF for convenience, especially when it comes to pass keys. Been actually considering getting a YubiKey actually rather than relying on passwords in general but feel online security just isn’t there yet and you can still bypass a lot of websites via passwords. It is on my radar now tho.

I find FF can be hardened with a good compromise on accessibility (Apple Music hates LW and constantly panics playing music on my PC).

I love LS. The UX is so-so but it does it’s job without needing any attention. My little silent protector!
 
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TL;DR: Apple Maps ads triggered me, a step away from what I liked most about them, no ads and privacy, so time to explore alternatives.

I have been happily living in the "walled garden" for many years, deeply invested in the ecosystem with icloud photos, files and backups, etc. I have been happy to pay extra for Apple devices just because things work so well.

But recently a few of Apple's decisions have are making me second-guess if I should explore alternatives, for example adding ads to the App Store and Maps. Also, whenever I use my Linux computers, the friction of trying to use Apple services from those is very high, sometimes totally impractical (photos from the iCloud web interface kinda suck) or impossible (no AirDrop in Linux).

I am currently testing a few things: using Immich for personal/local cloud photos, got an old cheap pixel phone to try out "degoogling" it as much as I can, using Proton services for calendar+mail+cloud files, KDE Connect and LocalSend for sending files between devices, even testing Asahi linux on one of my macs (those guys are wizards!). The experience so far varies from "OK" to "janky", but usable, and at least I have control moving forward.

So where do you draw the line? What would make you switch?
They bumped the prices up and they have priced me out. I have an iPhone 16, MacBook Air M2 & M5. I may trade the M2 for a gift card and then get what I can with that. Then they won't have anything I can afford.
 
tried LW but went back to FF for convenience, especially when it comes to pass keys.

Luckily not an issue for me as I use 3rd party PW managers.

Was on 1P, but am on Proton Pass now (and loving it!)
I sort of wish I'd looked around sooner. Recent 1PW actions have made me finally say "enough".

I tried to go the KeePassXC route, and I could do that if it was just macOS, but having to use alternate Apps on the iOS side is just more complication than I'm looking for in that space.
 
There is something Apple doesn't tell because they enjoy replacing batteries for money - you gotta charge new devices with old 5W, 10W or 12W original Apple chargers (or similar). If you use any new fast chargers like this 20W or 40/60W bricks from your MacBook, they heat battery a lot and decrease its lifespan. Btw automakers know that too, and no amount of coolers and radiators will save the battery cells - they just degrade faster
It’s $275+tax CAD to replace an iPad Pro battery! That is criminal!!! Almost makes me regret canceling AC+ or not leaving it on monthly, ad infinitum! Which I’m sure is partially why it’s so high to begin with. Don’t want to lay that? Then you get a crappy aftermarket battery that won’t make it one year and the high chance of a sloppy job. Not to mention the added cost of needing the tools and materials (heat pad, plungers, new seals, new glue strips, etc.).

Yeah, don’t get me started on batteries!
 
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Probably something catastrophic like multiple privacy violations, acts of malice, or outright lying that puts my identity at risk. Maybe selling a part of their business to a shady competitor too.
 
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Luckily not an issue for me as I use 3rd party PW managers.

Was on 1P, but am on Proton Pass now (and loving it!)
I sort of wish I'd looked around sooner. Recent 1PW actions have made me finally say "enough".

I tried to go the KeePassXC route, and I could do that if it was just macOS, but having to use alternate Apps on the iOS side is just more complication than I'm looking for in that space.
I’ve been tempted to move to Bitwarden self hosted but not exactly keen on opening up my Mac to the world.
 
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I will never really leave Apple but I won't buy any more products from them. I've been using Apple products from the beginning. The products were always over-priced, but worked. I have no issue paying more if it works. Today, they are still over-priced, but the products do not always work as well as they once did. I have serval Macs that I use (2012 MBP, mini, 2013 pro and 2004 cinema displays) and a few iMacs that collect dust. I also have an iPhone 13 mini which I've relegated to my backup phone. My main phone is a Xiaomi 17 which I got earlier this year. It was $200 less than the 13 mini 5 years ago! iOS became unusable for me so I switched. The Xiaomi phone works much better for me.
 
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If Apple put ads into Apple Music I would leave Apple entirely.
I have tried YT Music, Spotify Premium, Tidal Hifi and Deezer Premium, and I always come back to Apple Music, because of its simple and pure design in the app.
I listen to music at least 8-9 hours a day when I’m at work and maybe 2-3 hours a day when I’m at home, so music is quite important to me.

It’s not so far fetched because a couple of years ago I wouldn’t think Apple could put in ads in App Store or Maps, but here we are.
 
I'm done with new Apple purchases already.

What pushed me away: The US trade war and attack on Canada. Even if a new president and government comes in and tries to fix the relationship I can never trust them again. If such a large percentage of the US is willing to throw us (Canada) under the bus to appease their president how can we trust that we aren't just another 4 years away from yet another attack?

Apple is one of the worst choices right now because they have such a strong ecosystem lock in, at this point I now view the ecosystem lock-in as one of the biggest negatives to Apple. iMessage, iCloud, etc.. these are all risks to me now that make them more dangerous. Unfortunately Android phones do not provide a good alternative, the level of data mining might actually make them worse to use in terms of privacy and dependence on the US. However tech savvy individuals like myself can choose de-Googled, security conscious, Android platforms and then choose open platforms for photos and file storage that give us more data independence. I wont reconsider Apple unless they suddenly become a far more open platform which I can use with far less reliance on US services.

My plan is to keep my devices till they die and migrate everything off of US services. I have already stopped paying for US services but now I can also stop using Apple Maps since they are adding ads to it. When it comes time to replace my hardware I'm going to buy that which gives the US the least money and hopefully someone somewhere will have an alternative by then. If not, used hardware that gives the least money to the US.
 
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