What would make you upgrade to the M4 Macs?

[Pressure]

The snapdragon X Elite is mopping the floor with the current M3 as far as performance. No longer king of the hill in Arm performance.

wanna get left behind? don't upgrade to an M4.

Looking at their inference performance numbers they don't even beat the M1.

Here is the model with 10 performance cores running the DirectML GPU inference versus the M1 GPU.

Here it is running on the CPU versus the M1.

 

[MayaUser]

The snapdragon X Elite is mopping the floor with the current M3 as far as performance. No longer king of the hill in Arm performance.

wanna get left behind? don't upgrade to an M4.

based on your real testing or....for me it will be another SQ1/2 fiasco where charts looks impressive and the real deal was a joke...these charts are just for the minds of the weak
QC already facing allegations...again for cheating in charts for misleading and making people buy

 

[Arctic Moose]

What would make you want to upgrade to the M4 line, especially if you're already on M1 or M2?

A small and light (10-11") laptop would be an instant buy for me.

I would consider going from 14" MBP to 13" MBA if I could more RAM and a bigger SSD in the MBA.

 

[Kay_Ess]

What would make you want to upgrade to the M4 line, especially if you're already on M1 or M2?

A minimum of 16GB RAM and 1TB of storage and a proper display at a maximum price point of €1600.

 

[Mity]

I have a feeling Apple's sales of the M3 family, base to Max, are not doing well, or not as well as the M1 and M2 lines. I've never seen Apple discount machines as quickly as they have with the M3 line.

The last powerful Mac that I bought was the 2019 Intel MBP and boy do I regret that decision. I was planning on upgrading to the M3 Max MBP but the rumors on M4 Macs started coming out.

One of the main reasons for me is WiFi 7. I bought a WiFi 7 TP-Link router a few months back and it has already increased performance on my older machines. Here's the speed on my 2020 M1 Macbook Air:
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I'm waiting to see what the speed will be on a Mac that actually has WiFi 7. Performance wise, I think the M3 Max is more than enough for me.

What would make you want to upgrade to the M4 line, especially if you're already on M1 or M2?

So, I opened my M3 Max last night and I got the following WiFi speeds:

I have 1.2Gbs service and I cannot believe I actually hit the top speed without the M3 Max even having a WiFi 7 chip.

 

[hovscorpion12]

Further proving that Wi-Fi 7 chips offer nothing over Wi-Fi 6E. All comes down to the router and speed that your paying for.

Wi-Fi 6E caps at up to 5.4 Gbps, whereas Wi-Fi 7 can deliver peak rates of over 40 Gbps.

Why anyone outside Gov't agency's needs Wi-Fi 7 speeds is beyond me. Youtube is still going to take forever to upload your 10-20 Min video.

 

[Mity]

Further proving that Wi-Fi 7 chip does nothing. All comes down to the router and speed that your paying for.

Well... My M1 MBA was getting 730Mbps. But, if you mean in practical terms, I agree. There are, of course, other factors that make the experience noticeably better like no lag at all when scrolling ahead in the timeline but I don't know if that's because of the WiFi 6E chip or because of the processor.

 

[Boil]

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

My current MacBook breaking.

 

[Abazigal]

At this point, it's really just time.

My M1 MBA is still going strong, and I would really find it to be a waste to get the latest 15" MBA. Likewise, my 5k iMac's display is gorgeous, and while it doesn't get software updates anymore, my dad's mostly using it for watching YouTube and web browsing these days, and that doesn't warrant getting a new Mac mini + Studio Display offering.

 

[vsiro]

I really need nested virtualization. Right now the new Macs don't have nested virtualization support.
Also, tons of RAM to run large AI models.

 

[Pressure]

I really need nested virtualization. Right now the new Macs don't have nested virtualization support.
Also, tons of RAM to run large AI models.

You buy the right tool for the job.

 

[SkweeBop]

The M1 gave the Mac a once-in-a-decade step forward in performance/power ratio that raised the bar as to how much a battery-powered "ultrabook" could do. Suddenly, you could edit 4k video on a MacBook Air.... The pandemic encouraged a lot of people to buy new computers to work-from-home. I also get the impression that Apple handled the ensuing chip shortage better than other PC makers (everybody seems to agree that Tim Cook is the supply chain king) and kept Macs "on the shelves" during the pandemic.

It was pretty inevitable that the M2 and M3 would be less exciting, more "incremental" upgrades than M1. They were decent improvements but nothing like the excitement of the Intel to M1 switch. I suspect that the flow of Intel Mac users upgrading to Apple Silicon peaked last year (guesstimating 3 years as the average time between upgrades). Plus, Intel and AMD are playing catchup on power/performance (or have overtaken Apple if you believe their publicity).

These sentiments ring true for me. Two things will impact my next mac purchases: a) Timing of need to replace something, and b) the balance of performance cores vs. efficiency cores. I'm a composer, and have seen that previous balances have been better for my audio needs. Logic X doesn't even take advantage of its family of chips very well. Reaper is more efficient (granted, it's smaller--but it is way better optimized for the chipset).

 

[throAU]

A few of things

1. my M1 Pro dying
2. 32-64 GB of RAM and 2TB SSD being pretty cheap
3. massive GPU performance improvement vs. my M1 Pro at the same sort of price

I'm "due" to upgrade either this year or next as far as my budget goes, but the m1 pro 14" is still going strong.

 

[Pressure]

A few of things

1. my M1 Pro dying
2. 32-64 GB of RAM and 2TB SSD being pretty cheap
3. massive GPU performance improvement vs. my M1 Pro at the same sort of price

I'm "due" to upgrade either this year or next as far as my budget goes, but the m1 pro 14" is still going strong.

Define "dying" and "still going strong"? 😅

 

[throAU]

Define "dying" and "still going strong"? 😅

I meant that if my MacBook Pro 14 dies, then I'll upgrade for sure.

At the moment it does everything but it is coming up end of AppleCare in November.

 

[Lahmy88]

A new 11" form factor MacBook with Pro level quality screen etc. (inc. a damn fan - I'll never go fanless) sized much like my beloved 2011 MBA but with performance above my current 14" M1 Pro MBP (because if it's going to be newer, might as well be an upgrade in performance too!) that features min. 3x Thunderbolt 5 ports (love the fast IO potential of TB although where's the Apple Silicon eGPU compatibility Apple???) and latest WiFi/Bluetooth etc. as well as headphone jack still!

I know this ain't possible but please Apple start giving us at least somewhat half-decent upgrade prices on RAM and storage!

 

[aronsajan]

Not gonna upgrade to any Mac until they offer an upgradeable SSD.

Also prefer a better keyboard that requires a little more actuation force

 

[dmr727]

My M1 MBA would need to stop working, and even then I'm not sure I'd do it. Interested to see what Apple does, though.

 

[cczhu]

I'd upgrade from my M1 Max if they'd have

a) FaceID
b) Tandem OLED
c) WIFI 7
d) thinner deign

I doubt all will be happen at once, but it's about time for a redesign

 

[JaredJenkinsDesign]

For me, it's pretty much Thunderbolt 5 for future-proofing as I would like a 27" 5k 120hz or 32" 6k/8k monitor in the future.

 

[Pressure]

For me, it's pretty much Thunderbolt 5 for future-proofing as I would like a 27" 5k 120hz or 32" 6k/8k monitor in the future.

Thunderbolt 5 would also mean much faster external storage (which is much more important in the short term) considering Apple's upgrade pricing model.

 

[cardfan]

Would need oled screen. No interest if no oled.

 

[johannnn]

I dont want FaceID because touchID works perfect and takes no screen space.
I dont want tandem OLED because I think Apple's LCD panels are really great.

I do want 120hz though. Please put it in the MBA!

(and make 16GB RAM the default, of course)

 

[l0stl0rd]

After the M4 iPad announcement I get it won’t get my wish of 2x GPU.

I guess best case M4 1,6x faster than M3 🤔

They said M4 up to 4x M2
Back when they announced M3 they said 2,5 x M2.

So? Thoughts?