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I really hope this "what you should know" headline style doesn't become a thing at MacRumors. Twice in a month and a half...

Apple Event Announced for September 9: Here's What You Should Know
What You Should Know
About Apple's 5G Modem

Can we please write articles like we're talking to actual people and not Googlebot?

... anyway: no one should be shocked if Apple's modem doesn't make it into next year's SE. They're obviously going to take their time to make sure it performs well, because it'd be a disaster for their reputation if they released a phone that had unreliable cellular connectivity. Maybe it's ready for production this time. Maybe it isn't and they punt it to a future device. Either way, Apple's aim should be that the consumer doesn't need to even know it happened.
 
How is it Qualcomm is not considered a monopoly?
How is Apple not subject to anti-trust investigation/legisation by US Congress? Given the multiple strategies Apple use to obstruct third party parts or recycled Apple device parts being used in repairs and upgrades of their hardware products, it leads one to assume that, at core, this is a text book case of anti-competitive strategies being deployed?

Given their anticompetitive pricing on cloud storage, which can be easily bypassed but often isn't due to the Finder dependencies on iCloud it's clear that a company of the scale of Apple could price their could offering to their existing customers on Apple devices at the lowest $/GB in the world, but no, they price it at the highest $/GB in the world, even without the added features other providers add (cross-platform software installation not being the least of these, encrypting, file-versioning etc etc). Given that it took the EU parliament to force Apple off lightening connectors on iPhones and peripherals (pencils, keyboards etc) ensuring they win more royalties on their exclusive rights to Lightening™ and sell ore of their own USB2Lightening leads.


components such as these are blocked in multiple ways by Apple and it's beyond any reasonable justification*
  • DRAM used to upgrade or repair Mac computers, given the predatory pricing of upgrades to RAM (overpriced compared to non-Apple PCs) when they sell a Mac new. This has the effect of incentivising a buyer to buy more RAM than they need or would otherwise buy to "future proof" the purchase against macOS upgrades and third party software becoming more demanding in the years ahead.
  • SSD used to upgrade or repair Mac computers, given the predatory pricing of upgrades to RAM (overpriced compared to non-Apple PCs) when they sell a Mac new. I seen countless MBP reviews where the host recommends maxing out the SDD for professional MBP users like musicians, video editors/VFX professional etc, just to future proof it for 4 or more years.
  • third party replacement parts for repairs, all kinds of parts from most often used in repairs like batteries to screens, touch layers, to the more obscure parts that can brick an iPhone or iPad. Apple makes these components, even when identical to their own third party components in every way, show as "verified" even though it's clearly working and disables Battery Health info in settings because of it.
  • Louis Rossman has documented many of examples Apple's shit****ery when it comes to impeding repairs from removing vital into from a repairs perspective from their circuit board schematics, to obscuring the identity and specs of even tiny parts that are industry std components, to up to the registration of components to ensure they need verification to operate same as Apple Original. All of this is to make repair of APpe devices at Apple shops unlikely due to their uncompetitive pricing policies, and likelihood of someone buying a new device in preference to repairing their current device (which is Apple's preferred solution or they would price their repairs out of the market, or obstruct the #rightToRepair movement at every turn).


* Justifications like "oh, markets are implicitly fair, Apple built themselves a business and can exploit their customers a will" or "dur, capitalism" as per the failed edifice that is Neoclassical Economic theory and practice. Markets and capitalism only came into existence with Legisation being passed by national governments with create the legal structures upon which markets exist and couldn't exist without. Legislation such as property law, regulations around trading, labour-hire regulations, corporations law, Financial sector law. And Apple is probably in breach of some of these, but given USA on both sides of the aisle are trying to start a cold war with China, even while the import Trillions of dollars in goods each year, they wont go after the Wall St darling that is Apple.

main points summerised here:“property law as basis for modern markets (ChatGTP 4.o-mini)” shared from iCloud Drive
 
“How is it Qualcomm is not considered a monopoly?”
Monopoly is something made/forced by company or entity. Here we have qc mediatek exy and so many others that can join , but t people vote with their wallets QC and kill the others because its a better silicon company
 
... anyway: no one should be shocked if Apple's modem doesn't make it into next year's SE. They're obviously going to take their time to make sure it performs well, because it'd be a disaster for their reputation if they released a phone that had unreliable cellular connectivity. Maybe it's ready for production this time. Maybe it isn't and they punt it to a future device. Either way, Apple's aim should be that the consumer doesn't need to even know it happened.
problem is Apple devices are sold in over 175 nations and there are always things going on in the wild that Apple can't predict entirely. As the "you're holding it wrong" debacle demonstrated in ample measure.
 
“How is it Qualcomm is not considered a monopoly?”
Monopoly is something made/forced by company or entity. Here we have qc mediatek exy and so many others that can join , but t people vote QC and kill the others because its a better silicon company
that's similar to Apples position in Tech markets, but in no way does it preclude Apple or Qualcomm from Anti-trust legislation or being sued by Congress. I think the case to make against APPLe is much stronger than that against Q but I don't know what offences they're perceived to have committed.

Microsoft very nearly suffered this fate, but George Bush, Jr vetoed the Congressional processes that were leading to Antitrust actions. No doubt money nd other threats and means of unethical persuasion talked volumes to Bush and the GOP.

No doubt money talked. Many political scientist today say the the USA is a democracy in name only today, and effectively is some kind of corptocracy b/c Congress and elections are subject to the overwhelming power of grey corruption and capture by special interests though their money and the revolving door of political staff and corporate lobbyists, industry figureheads etc
 
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If by a few bucks you mean billions of dollars over time. Plus there is the added benefit of fully integrating this into SoC designs by having control over the entire product.

It might turn out to be a bad move, but I doubt Apple will release it if it is bad. Maybe not as good as the competition’s modems, but Apple isn’t afraid to cancel things that don’t work out.

I had an XR with the Intel modem. It wasn’t bad, it just wasn’t as good as Qualcomm’s modems. I’m glad Apple moved away from the Intel modems but it’s possible Apple will be able to pull off a good cell modem.
they will never come close to qualcomm and they stent already gazillion of dollars to acquire the intel division and in development for all of these years without delivering anything yet.

It is a money pit
 
Royalty free 5G modems that cost pennies to manufacture. Finally gonna get us some cellular connectivity built into laptops?
I've been waiting for this for 20+ years now.

Ironically, at the moment, I don't have particular use for it, but I'd definitively go for the option of a cell modem - if available at a reasonable price - for my next laptop...whenever that is. :)
 
How is Apple not subject to anti-trust investigation/legisation by US Congress? Given the multiple strategies Apple use to obstruct third party parts or recycled Apple device parts being used in repairs and upgrades of their hardware products, it leads one to assume that, at core, this is a text book case of anti-competitive strategies being deployed?

Given their anticompetitive pricing on cloud storage, which can be easily bypassed but often isn't due to the Finder dependencies on iCloud it's clear that a company of the scale of Apple could price their could offering to their existing customers on Apple devices at the lowest $/GB in the world, but no, they price it at the highest $/GB in the world, even without the added features other providers add (cross-platform software installation not being the least of these, encrypting, file-versioning etc etc). Given that it took the EU parliament to force Apple off lightening connectors on iPhones and peripherals (pencils, keyboards etc) ensuring they win more royalties on their exclusive rights to Lightening™ and sell ore of their own USB2Lightening leads.


components such as these are blocked in multiple ways by Apple and it's beyond any reasonable justification*
  • DRAM used to upgrade or repair Mac computers, given the predatory pricing of upgrades to RAM (overpriced compared to non-Apple PCs) when they sell a Mac new. This has the effect of incentivising a buyer to buy more RAM than they need or would otherwise buy to "future proof" the purchase against macOS upgrades and third party software becoming more demanding in the years ahead.
  • SSD used to upgrade or repair Mac computers, given the predatory pricing of upgrades to RAM (overpriced compared to non-Apple PCs) when they sell a Mac new. I seen countless MBP reviews where the host recommends maxing out the SDD for professional MBP users like musicians, video editors/VFX professional etc, just to future proof it for 4 or more years.
  • third party replacement parts for repairs, all kinds of parts from most often used in repairs like batteries to screens, touch layers, to the more obscure parts that can brick an iPhone or iPad. Apple makes these components, even when identical to their own third party components in every way, show as "verified" even though it's clearly working and disables Battery Health info in settings because of it.
  • Louis Rossman has documented many of examples Apple's ********ery when it comes to impeding repairs from removing vital into from a repairs perspective from their circuit board schematics, to obscuring the identity and specs of even tiny parts that are industry std components, to up to the registration of components to ensure they need verification to operate same as Apple Original. All of this is to make repair of APpe devices at Apple shops unlikely due to their uncompetitive pricing policies, and likelihood of someone buying a new device in preference to repairing their current device (which is Apple's preferred solution or they would price their repairs out of the market, or obstruct the #rightToRepair movement at every turn).


* Justifications like "oh, markets are implicitly fair, Apple built themselves a business and can exploit their customers a will" or "dur, capitalism" as per the failed edifice that is Neoclassical Economic theory and practice. Markets and capitalism only came into existence with Legisation being passed by national governments with create the legal structures upon which markets exist and couldn't exist without. Legislation such as property law, regulations around trading, labour-hire regulations, corporations law, Financial sector law. And Apple is probably in breach of some of these, but given USA on both sides of the aisle are trying to start a cold war with China, even while the import Trillions of dollars in goods each year, they wont go after the Wall St darling that is Apple.

main points summerised here:“property law as basis for modern markets (ChatGTP 4.o-mini)” shared from iCloud Drive

This is mostly rubbish though. The point is voided on two considerations:

1. Apple wasn't the first to market with this engineering model.

2. Apple is not monopolising the market with this engineering model.

3. The repair situation is considerably better than nearly every other vendor.

Consider ALL smartphones are exactly the same.

People will learn how bad repairs are shortly after Digital River tanked which handle Lenovo's entire supply chain for example. Not that they ever bothered to deliver anything anyway.

With respect to Qualcomm, the work they do is redundant and inefficient in a highly integrated system. Apple want that to go away and save licensing fees. I don't blame them.
 
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Any chance of getting Dual SIM Dual Active(DSDA) rather than Dual SIM Dual Standby (DSDS) ?

I want my M3 MBA to stay on the web while I'm making a cellular call on my iphone, ie. without losing the hotspot connection to my MAC.
 
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seems people from legal point dont understand
Qualcomm does not have monopoly because people chose the better SoC and the others falls behind and QC has the majority. Is like people buying Volvo because it has the best value for money and the others sells 1%, that doesnt mean Volvo has monopoly and the politicians cannot do anything to this
On the other hand..Apple had the brilliant idea "to let" Andy Rubin go and create Android so today Apple is not forced to open source for everybody the OS and so on...its a fine line from legal point
 
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Meanwhile, thanks in large part to absence of silly investment in mmWave spectrum and equipment, the world outside America enjoys cheap, unlimited, and fast 5G Internet.
I pay 10€ a month in Italy with the main provider for everyting totally unlimited (okay there is a 600GiB/month cap after which I'm going to be throttled).
 
Their 5G modem probably gives bad battery life, thus it makes sense to put it in an iPhone SE 4. They don't want to make the SE 4 too good, even if they still could for tha price point. It will probably have giant bezels as well, just for the sake of it.
 
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Many of us were skeptical of the M1, but it turned out to be better than expected. Perhaps Apple will impress us with their first modem. I’m ready for it.
A CPU and a modem are two very different things, I wont go near this modem for a very long time if at all. Hell Apple cant even design its own AI or a decent phone or software without more bugs than a cloud of mosquitoes, good luck, its going to be a bumpy ride.
 
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Meanwhile, thanks in large part to absence of silly investment in mmWave spectrum and equipment, the world outside America enjoys cheap, unlimited, and fast 5G Internet.
I pay 10€ a month in Italy with the main provider for everyting totally unlimited (okay there is a 600GiB/month cap after which I'm going to be throttled).
We have reasonably priced broad 5G coverage in America with T-Mobile and AT&T. Verizon is the only carrier that focused heavily on mmWave, while the other two only really launched that in venues like stadiums and arenas or dense downtown areas.
 
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Looks like people have said it plenty here already - but I'd wait for gen 2/3 with these modems. Apple will get it right, just takes a village (aka the whole world) to beta test things a bit.
 
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Meanwhile, thanks in large part to absence of silly investment in mmWave spectrum and equipment, the world outside America enjoys cheap, unlimited, and fast 5G Internet.
I pay 10€ a month in Italy with the main provider for everyting totally unlimited (okay there is a 600GiB/month cap after which I'm going to be throttled).

Which provider is this? I'm spending a couple of weeks in Italy shortly and all the eSIM providers are rip offs.
 
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