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My beard, or now ex beard. Shaved off in the hope it’ll be cooler. Probably grow again late September. Takes months to grow, minutes to shave off.
 
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So the inevitable result happened, what we all expected.

Sub imploded

Seems the banging wasn't from the sub after all. Condolences to all affected.

Meanwhile last week several hundred people drowned in the Mediterranean as well.
Well said.

I have to say that I find the vast amount of attention (and column inches) devoted to this story - after all, those chaps - who were very wealthy adventurers - chose to embark on this insane escapade - more than a little trying: Yes, it is a tragedy, but other tragedies - such as the case where several hundred people died while attempting to cross the Mediterranean in pursuit of the dream of a better life - which strike me as far more compelling - have received far less attention and far fewer column inches by way of comparison.
 
Especially if you experience stealth mosquitos…
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Alaskan mosquitoes. Just NO.
 
Personally I think the story got far too much coverage. Some rich people made reckless decisions and spent a fortune.
Meantime more people drowned trying to escape tyranny and persecution which at best, the odd boat was sent on a rescue mission. Much sadder.
Indeed it is much sadder, hundreds drowned, questions about the response of, in this case, the Greek Coast Guard and then nothing.
Death is all around us, it awaits for us, no one is spared. Time for dinner. 🤨
True, but why make it easier? Besides a former executive from the company in question who invoked safety issues while quitting and big names like James Cameron and Robert Ballard (who found the Titanic in the first place) criticized the company as well you can say something is wrong.
Well said.

I have to say that I find the vast amount of attention (and column inches) devoted to this story - after all, those chaps - who were very wealthy adventurers - chose to embark on this insane escapade - more than a little trying: Yes, it is a tragedy, but other tragedies - such as the case where several hundred people died while attempting to cross the Mediterranean in pursuit of the dream of a better life - which strike me as far more compelling - have received far less attention and far fewer column inches by way of comparison.
Yes, but as usual the news promotes the sensational and this sub escapade too will be soon forgotten. Meanwhile refugees will continue to come.
 
Yeah, though the ones that fly in your face and buzz noisily are bad as well.
I wonder if we're programmed (genetically or otherwise) to find the mozzie buzz incredibly irritating... There some building work going near me and for the last couple of days one bloke has been constantly using some sort of sander that sounds like a big mosquito - it's soooo annoying and grates in a way that the other noises they make don't.
 
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Indeed it is much sadder, hundreds drowned, questions about the response of, in this case, the Greek Coast Guard and then nothing.

True, but why make it easier? Besides a former executive from the company in question who invoked safety issues while quitting and big names like James Cameron and Robert Ballard (who found the Titanic in the first place) criticized the company as well you can say something is wrong.

Yes, but as usual the news promotes the sensational and this sub escapade too will be soon forgotten. Meanwhile refugees will continue to come.
What irked me was the choice to concentrate on this sensational story - a story, which, itself was a thrill-seeking adventure, a reckless and risky choice, made by some very wealthy and privileged people in search of adventure spiced with danger - a story that I do not believe merited the attention it was given, tragedy though it was, to the detriment of other stories, stories that, to my mind, merited equal (if not greater) attention from the world's media, such as the tragic story of hundreds of people drowning while risking ther lives to cross the Mediterranean in search of a better future.
 
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Personally I think the story got far too much coverage. Some rich people made reckless decisions and spent a fortune.
Meantime more people drowned trying to escape tyranny and persecution which at best, the odd boat was sent on a rescue mission. Much sadder.
Well, the attention is obviously due to the fascination people have for everything Titanic related.
 
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So the inevitable result happened, what we all expected.

Sub imploded

Seems the banging wasn't from the sub after all. Condolences to all affected.

Meanwhile last week several hundred people drowned in the Mediterranean as well.

It’s sad, but from what I read incredibly dangerous what they were doing. I mean submarines are pretty dangerous at the best of times. But an experimental craft at those depths? Madness it was ever offered to the public.

My understanding was the sub was made out of carbon fiber, not fiberglass. The thing about carbon, is that it is strong, really strong, but when it’s limits are exceeded it explodes into shreds. Steel or aluminum might be better. My understanding is that this sub had dived before, and pure speculation on my part is that a bit of pressure damage was done on each dive until an accumulation caused it to exceed its limits and poof. It would be interested to know at what depth the event took place. You might think if they were in contact with the ship, this info may have been relayed, ie current depth.
 
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What irked me was the choice to concentrate on this sensational story - a story, which, itself was a thrill-seeking adventure, a reckless and risky choice, made by some very wealthy and privileged people in search of adventure spiced with danger - a story that I do not believe merited the attention it was given, tragedy though it was, to the detriment of other stories, stories that, to my mind, merited equal (if not greater) attention from the world's media, such as the tragic story of hundreds of people drowning while risking ther lives to cross the Mediterranean in search of a better future.
A tragedy unfolding, slowly and for days sells way more than a tragedy that has already happened, unless this is of huge proportions that affect everyone. That’s the sad reality of the 24/7 news cycle. In a similar vein to the Apollo 13, when it launched it was barely shown on tv, and when the astronauts delivered their goodwill message to humanity, no one had the heart to tell them that no one was listening as no one was interested in broadcasting it. It’s only when their slow death became a possibility that people took notice of the mission.
 
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Well, each of us are different.

Personally, I detest winter, quite like autumn, and adore spring and summer.
Agree. Even when the temp climbs in the summer, I'm like it can't snow when it's in the 90s :D That doesn't mean I like iot either, but at my vehicle has AC and you don't get absolute idiot drivers who have no slippery road driving sense.
 
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Indeed it is much sadder, hundreds drowned, questions about the response of, in this case, the Greek Coast Guard and then nothing.

True, but why make it easier? Besides a former executive from the company in question who invoked safety issues while quitting and big names like James Cameron and Robert Ballard (who found the Titanic in the first place) criticized the company as well you can say something is wrong.

Yes, but as usual the news promotes the sensational and this sub escapade too will be soon forgotten. Meanwhile refugees will continue to come.
I agree 100%. It was just an expression of frustration, inevitability, and a shouldn’t they have known better attitude. :oops: There were warning signs, and although the passenger signed waivers there will be ramifications for the company and likely civil court (if they remain a going concern) for making what are considered poor choices that were recognized in advanced, and warnings given, but accompanied by a laa-dee-da attitude in response from those in charge.

Yes it’s easy for me to say, but if the sub had been designed properly, and had an inspection protocol in place to check for material stress and fatigue, then there might be other ways to die down there, but implosion based on just depth, should not be one of them. 🤔
 
My understanding was the sub was made out of carbon fiber, not fiberglass. The thing about carbon, is that it is strong, really strong, but when it’s limits are exceeded it explodes into shreds. Steel or aluminum might be better. My understanding is that this sub had dived before, and pure speculation on my part is that a bit of pressure damage was done on each dive until an accumulation caused it to exceed its limits and poof. It would be interested to know at what depth the event took place. You might think if they were in contact with the ship, this info may have been relayed, ie current depth.
Yes, carbon fibre. Thing is, it was cheap. The trips were cheap. (A while ago I saw that a trip on another submersible was around $750,000 as opposed to these at around $200,000 and discounts could be offered?) It had to take more than 3 (so that determined its shape) No top cover in the form of a ROV or a duplicate submersible. The use of 'ships of opportunity' (their phrase) etc etc.

I think it last pinged an hour or so in so probably halfway down or a bit further...

Oh, and just to add - I agree with all the comments re the media - the wall to wall identikit coverage is yet another sign of a collapsing conventional media landscape...
 
A tragedy unfolding, slowly and for days sells way more than a tragedy that has already happened, unless this is of huge proportions that affect everyone. That’s the sad reality of the 24/7 news cycle. In a similar vein to the Apollo 13, when it launched it was barely shown on tv, and when the astronauts delivered their goodwill message to humanity, no one had the heart to tell them that no one was listening as no one was interested in broadcasting it. It’s only when their slow death became a possibility that people took notice of the mission.
To me, it still screams misplaced priorities in terms of what deserves that sort of (in this case, quite unnecessary) saturation news coverage.
 
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I'm making it a goal this summer to practice playing in really unusual keys. I'm spending half an hour a day just playing in all the weird keys. I didn't notice until very recently how uncomfortable I was playing in D flat, G flat, or B major—because you just never come across those, but they're still useful to know how to play in...
 
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