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I was never a morning person, neither as student nor as university teacher.

However, I never minded doing the proverbial 'grave yard' shifts, - which were loathed by some academic colleagues - and, for a number of years, taught not just night classes, but Friday night classes to evening students.
I prefer getting into work early. My hours are 8-4:30. I often don’t get out on time though. But generally I work from 8 pm until bed a few days a week.
 

Chuckeee

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When I was working (retired now) I worked in California but regularly had to deal with both customers and suppliers on the East coast (a 3 hour time difference). This often resulted in [agonizingly painful] 6:00 am teleconferences.
 
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I prefer getting into work early. My hours are 8-4:30. I often don’t get out on time though. But generally I work from 8 pm until bed a few days a week.
Some people are larks, others (including your humble scribe), are, by temperament, owls.

Now, while I have never much cared for early rising, I can handle it easily enough in summer, but loathe it in winter.
 

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When I was working (retired now) I worked in California but regularly had to deal with both customers and suppliers on the East coast (a 3 hour time difference). This often resulted in [agonizingly painful] 6:00 am teleconferences.
Oh, gosh: Those tele conferences with Time Zone Differences: Ouch.

You have my sympathies.
 

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Not at all a morning person here! When I was working (now a contentedly retired librarian), I preferred to as much as possible do the evening shifts in the library, which suited me much better. When there was a situation when someone wanted to switch shifts, they knew to come find me and that I'd be very happy to do their 1-9 PM shift and let them do my daytime shift (9:30 AM - 6:00 PM). I regularly worked three evenings each week and really felt that I was more useful and productive during those hours than I was when I had to be at the library at 9:30 AM, which was a half-hour or so prior to opening, giving us some time to get things ready.

We all also alternated working on Saturdays, and that was brutal for me and other non-morning people as we had to be there at 9:00 AM and opening the doors to the public then. Aside from that it just didn't feel fair that other people had the weekend off when we were working on the Saturday!

I love retirement, as I can make my own schedule. If I am captivated by a really good book I can go right ahead and just keep reading it until I finish it, even if that means I don't turn the lights out and drift off to sleep until 4:00 AM or later in the wee hours of the morning.... Usually I don't need to get up early. Obviously, though, from time to time I do have various medical or other appointments or social engagements and although I prefer making them for some time in the afternoon that isn't always possible, so at those times I do get to bed and nod off to sleep at a reasonable hour so that I can arise early and prepare for whatever the appointment or social engagement is.
 

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Not at all a morning person here! When I was working (now a contentedly retired librarian), I preferred to as much as possible do the evening shifts in the library, which suited me much better. When there was a situation when someone wanted to switch shifts, they knew to come find me and that I'd be very happy to do their 1-9 PM shift and let them do my daytime shift (9:30 AM - 6:00 PM). I regularly worked three evenings each week and really felt that I was more useful and productive during those hours than I was when I had to be at the library at 9:30 AM, which was a half-hour or so prior to opening, giving us some time to get things ready.

We all also alternated working on Saturdays, and that was brutal for me and other non-morning people as we had to be there at 9:00 AM and opening the doors to the public then. Aside from that it just didn't feel fair that other people had the weekend off when we were working on the Saturday!

I love retirement, as I can make my own schedule. If I am captivated by a really good book I can go right ahead and just keep reading it until I finish it, even if that means I don't turn the lights out and drift off to sleep until 4:00 AM or later in the wee hours of the morning.... Usually I don't need to get up early. Obviously, though, from time to time I do have various medical or other appointments or social engagements and although I prefer making them for some time in the afternoon that isn't always possible, so at those times I do get to bed and nod off to sleep at a reasonable hour so that I can arise early and prepare for whatever the appointment or social engagement is.
I'm laughing, reading your post, as I could have written this, for almost everything you have written applies to me, as well.

Actually, I never minded teaching evening classes, in fact, I loved it, (and loved the evening students, too, who were mostly adults availing of second chance education, which made them very motivated and keen on their studies, - and they had wives, husbands, children, jobs - they were wonderful - and, for whom I had enormous sympathy, as my mother had studied for her degree by taking night classes, as well).

And yes, I, too, love reading through the night as well, on occasion.
 
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rm5

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VERY poor planning on my part. I scheduled both my flu and COVID vaccines the day before a gig. How could I have been so stupid?! The gig isn't until the next evening, so I'm counting on feeling well enough. Of course this is a lucrative job with top-notch players that I wanted to take up, so I do NOT want to miss it. All that's not till next week though.
 

Apple fanboy

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Not at all a morning person here! When I was working (now a contentedly retired librarian), I preferred to as much as possible do the evening shifts in the library, which suited me much better. When there was a situation when someone wanted to switch shifts, they knew to come find me and that I'd be very happy to do their 1-9 PM shift and let them do my daytime shift (9:30 AM - 6:00 PM). I regularly worked three evenings each week and really felt that I was more useful and productive during those hours than I was when I had to be at the library at 9:30 AM, which was a half-hour or so prior to opening, giving us some time to get things ready.

We all also alternated working on Saturdays, and that was brutal for me and other non-morning people as we had to be there at 9:00 AM and opening the doors to the public then. Aside from that it just didn't feel fair that other people had the weekend off when we were working on the Saturday!

I love retirement, as I can make my own schedule. If I am captivated by a really good book I can go right ahead and just keep reading it until I finish it, even if that means I don't turn the lights out and drift off to sleep until 4:00 AM or later in the wee hours of the morning.... Usually I don't need to get up early. Obviously, though, from time to time I do have various medical or other appointments or social engagements and although I prefer making them for some time in the afternoon that isn't always possible, so at those times I do get to bed and nod off to sleep at a reasonable hour so that I can arise early and prepare for whatever the appointment or social engagement is.
I’ve not worked much shift work in my life. At one point I was working 2pm to 10 pm. I hated it. I’d get up mid morning and never knew what I was supposed to be eating. Breakfast? Lunch? Then I’d just spend the next few hours waiting to go to work.
When I’d come home my friends (I lived in a house share at the time), were all going to bed.
Not for me.
 

Apple fanboy

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When I was working (retired now) I worked in California but regularly had to deal with both customers and suppliers on the East coast (a 3 hour time difference). This often resulted in [agonizingly painful] 6:00 am teleconferences.
In this day and age I have colleagues and suppliers around the globe. So it’s quite normal to get messages and the like 24 hours a day. Fortunately I have my iPhone set to mute from 10 pm until 7 am.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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In this day and age I have colleagues and suppliers around the globe. So it’s quite normal to get messages and the like 24 hours a day. Fortunately I have my iPhone set to mute from 10 pm until 7 am.

I mute my company mobile at 5pm and leave it in my laptop bag, as I think it’s important to decompress in the evening. I make sure I am not thinking about anything work related when I go to bed, that’s for sure.
 

Apple fanboy

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I mute my company mobile at 5pm and leave it in my laptop bag, as I think it’s important to decompress in the evening. I make sure I am not thinking about anything work related when I go to bed, that’s for sure.
Personally I’d prefer to be thinking about work rather than other stuff at bedtime. Especially this time of year.

Off work today. A fun trip to the pharmacy and the tip await.
 
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VERY poor planning on my part.
Indeed.
I scheduled both my flu and COVID vaccines the day before a gig.
Hm.


How could I have been so stupid?!
No comment.
The gig isn't until the next evening, so I'm counting on feeling well enough. Of course this is a lucrative job with top-notch players that I wanted to take up, so I do NOT want to miss it. All that's not till next week though.
I'm sure you will have recovered fully by then, and best of luck with it.

However, I would recommend a relatively early night on the day you receive both vaccines which should allow you time to recover - for, nothing beats bedrest and sleep for rapid recuperation and recovery.
 
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I’ve not worked much shift work in my life. At one point I was working 2pm to 10 pm. I hated it. I’d get up mid morning and never knew what I was supposed to be eating. Breakfast? Lunch? Then I’d just spend the next few hours waiting to go to work.
When I’d come home my friends (I lived in a house share at the time), were all going to bed.
Not for me.
What is interesting is how firmly fixed such internal preferences are.

By preference (which means by temperament), I have been a night owl since childhood; I am never alert - am barely human - in the mornings (not without an awful lot of strong coffee, first), whereas my mind works naturally at its best, and most creative, in the evenings.

When writing, (and when I was writing my book), my writing almost always occurred in the evening and at night (between the hours of 20.00-02.00); mornings were for editing - checking & confirming facts, checking sources, checking ease of readability, checking grammar, syntax, spelling.

Yes, of course, I can work in the morning, but I am not (naturally) at my best, despite society's preference for these hours.

In the mornings, (especially in winter, with its lack of natural light, and poor quality of light during daylight hours - I loved being abroad during winter), I always felt I was working against myself, whereas, during the afternoon and evening, I feel that I am working well within my own capabilities, for this is a time when things flow, (ideas, thoughts, speed of mental responses, even words...)
 
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What is interesting is how firmly fixed such internal preferences are.

By preference (which means by temperament), I have been a night owl since childhood; I am never alert - am barely human - in the mornings (not without an awful lot of strong coffee, first), whereas my mind works naturally at its best, and most creative, in the evenings.

When writing, (and when I was writing my book), my writing almost always occurred in the evening and at night (between the hours of 20.00-02.00); mornings were for editing - checking & confirming facts, checking sources, checking ease of readability, checking grammar, syntax, spelling.

Yes, of course, I can work in the morning, but I am not (naturally) at my best, despite society's preference for these hours.

In the mornings, (especially in winter, with its lack of natural light, and poor quality of light during daylight hours - I loved being abroad during winter), I always felt I was working against myself, whereas, during the afternoon and evening, I feel that I am working well within my own capabilities, for this is a time when things flow, (ideas, thoughts, speed of mental responses, even words...)
As a teenager I used to sleep in and not like mornings.
But by 15 I was having to get up for work 6 days a week.
I used to be out all hours drinking back then to.
These days I tend to get up early Monday to Friday.
Only stay up late if I’m working. But I try and stop around 10-11 pm.
 

Macky-Mac

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When I was working (retired now) I worked in California but regularly had to deal with both customers and suppliers on the East coast (a 3 hour time difference). This often resulted in [agonizingly painful] 6:00 am teleconferences.

LOL....I've had similar problems with time zone differences and work. Living in California, I had to get used to waking up to urgent telephone calls from east coast construction sites.....unfortunately construction tends to start quite early in the day, which meant the calls were occasionally before 5am west coast time
 
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Putting Christmas trees up around the house today, kitchen, hallway and kids bedrooms done, just the lounge to go. Don’t ask, my wife thinks we need them all over the place. Thankfully the weather is appalling today so the exterior lights can wait until next weekend. I seem to be getting home most days and she’s bought some kind of Christmas decoration.

I’m just looking forward to enjoying a few beers over the festive period. I have’t had a drink since September.
In November?

Isn't that a little, ah, premature, a little early, for Christmas decorations?

Now, I'm not much of a fan of Christmas (or, any sort of a fan of the Yuletide Season), but, I can understand why the season is celebrated between 8th December (which was when decorations went up chez nous, and coincided with the traditional commencement of the Christmas Season, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception in the old Catholic annual church calendar) and 6th January (the Feast of the Epiphany), which is also Orthodox Christmas, and is celebrated as the main day of the Christmas holiday, in some western societies, such as Spain.

Thus, between 8th December, and 6th January, I can accept that this is an appropriate time during which to acknowledge, and celebrate, Christmas.

However, outside of those dates, no thank you.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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In November?

Isn't that a little, ah, premature, a little early for Christmas decorations?

Now, I'm not much of a fan of Christmas (or, any sort of a fan of the Yuletide Season), but, I can understand why the season is celebrated between 8th December (which was when decorations went up chez nous, and coincided with the traditional commencement of the Christmas Season, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception in the old Catholic annual church calendar) and 6th January (the Feast of the Epiphany), which is also Orthodox Christmas, and is celebrated as the main feast in some western societies, such as Spain.

Thus, between 8th December, and 6th January, I can accept that this is an appropriate time during which to acknowledge, and celebrate, Christmas.

However, outside of those dates, no thank you.
It is more to do with having no free weekends in December and two very excited young children wanting to enjoy the countdown to the big day. I am not doing it in the evenings after work as we have 5 trees to put up and outdoor lights.

The whole event for us is about the children and spending time with family. There is no religious connection whatsoever for us, so the traditional side of things is irrelevent. If I had the choice though I would put the decorations up 2 weeks before Christmas and take them down 2 days after.
 

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It is more to do with having no free weekends in December and two very excited young children wanting to enjoy the countdown to the big day. I am not doing it in the evenings after work as we have 5 trees to put up and outdoor lights.

The whole event for us is about the children and spending time with family. There is no religious connection whatsoever for us, so the traditional side of things is irrelevent. If I had the choice though I would put the decorations up 2 weeks before Christmas and take them down 2 days after.
Fair enough: I hear you.

My father would entertain no pleas re trees or decorations until the first free day, or evening, (which usually fell sometime during whatever week-end followed 8th December), he had after 8th December.
 
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Macky-Mac

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There are people who leave their Christmas decorations in place all year. Mostly it's lights on the exterior of their home, but I've seen Christmas trees (artificial variety) still in place in July.
 
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