Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
On my mind is currently: how do pinguïns poop?
 
As an Amazon Associate, MacRumors earns a commission from qualifying purchases made through links in this post.
Haha, love it!
 
As an Amazon Associate, MacRumors earns a commission from qualifying purchases made through links in this post.
On my mind is currently: how do pinguïns poop?
1735918696446.png


 
I have long been of the opinion that the open plan office is the spawn of Satan, and whoever invented it deserves a painful and prolonged, demise, for Hell is not hot enough to play host to them.

In any case, Decent Brother - who does - depending on immediate need, and who is not permitted to take some files home as these files cannot leave the office - either two or three days per week in the office or wfh - would be in complete agreement with you (as am I).
Agreed. All my files are floating in the cloud somewhere. Very rarely do I see physical paper copies at work anymore.

When I started it was nearly all paper! How the world has changed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Chuckeee
Some files - such as some Legal files still need a physical expression.

Agreed.

However, I still (far) prefer paper.
Yes I can see legal files being different. One of the reasons many Police forces prefer film over digital files. Harder to lose or delete. Easy to make additional prints from the negatives.

95% of what I do is in excel. Printing those reports would require a lot of paper and not be very useful.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Scepticalscribe
1000%. We do three at home, two in the office. But the open plan office is just grim. Nobody talks to anyone. Just all sit there listening to their headphones. If I could switch to 100% remote I’d do it in a heartbeat.
Nice. May I ask the reason you cannot go full remote? Is it job duty related or more of a management call?

I was three at home two in office in my last job, now I'm fully remote.

There isn't a salary that could get me back in office and that's not hyperbole. The disingenuous small talk, commute, lack of privacy and personal space, time away from my puppy, the distraction from loud coworkers (some of which literally yelling whilst on calls) and many MANY more reasons is why I REFUSE to go back.
 
Nice. May I ask the reason you cannot go full remote? Is it job duty related or more of a management call?

I was three at home two in office in my last job, now I'm fully remote.

There isn't a salary that could get me back in office and that's not hyperbole. The disingenuous small talk, commute, lack of privacy and personal space, time away from my puppy, the distraction from loud coworkers (some of which literally yelling whilst on calls) and many MANY more reasons is why I REFUSE to go back.
The owner. There is zero benefit from being in. Every meeting is conducted by teams even if some of the people are in.

But the owner would have us back 5 days a week if he could have his way.
 
Nice. May I ask the reason you cannot go full remote? Is it job duty related or more of a management call?

I was three at home two in office in my last job, now I'm fully remote.

There isn't a salary that could get me back in office and that's not hyperbole. The disingenuous small talk, commute, lack of privacy and personal space, time away from my puppy, the distraction from loud coworkers (some of which literally yelling whilst on calls) and many MANY more reasons is why I REFUSE to go back.
I have a bit different relationship with WFH. I have worked out of my house for nearly 20 years. Technically, I'm a "field office" and I spend over half of my work time at remote sites in my territory, but I'm home every night 95% of the time and my commute to the office in the morning can't be beat. The working situation for my group is not typical for my organization as most have assigned work sites or managed offices.

Every few years, some muckety-muck decides that the field staff need to be put in an office. Our supervisors just update the spreadsheet of what it would cost the company to rent and set up a new office for each of us (most of us are not near established offices) and demand that this cost be added to our budget. And that's the end of it until the next muckety-muck comes along.
 
I have a bit different relationship with WFH. I have worked out of my house for nearly 20 years. Technically, I'm a "field office" and I spend over half of my work time at remote sites in my territory, but I'm home every night 95% of the time and my commute to the office in the morning can't be beat. The working situation for my group is not typical for my organization as most have assigned work sites or managed offices.

Every few years, some muckety-muck decides that the field staff need to be put in an office. Our supervisors just update the spreadsheet of what it would cost the company to rent and set up a new office for each of us (most of us are not near established offices) and demand that this cost be added to our budget. And that's the end of it until the next muckety-muck comes along.
We have an office for around 30 people. Most days it’s 3-5 in there.

Complete waste of money. Could be much better put to use in a huge pay rise for me…..😀
 
Arrived home at 11:00 PM last night after 27 hours of traveling. Munich to Houston was maybe the worst (and longest) flight I've ever been on. I generally don't mind flying but that was just awful. Then the flight from Houston got delayed by over an hour, it was just a mess. But ended up making it. Very jet lagged, but getting over it. Got a haircut this morning, and then got lunch at one of my favorite local restaurants. Glad to have a little bit of warm weather for two days. Going back up to Wisconsin on Sunday.
 
Last edited:
The owner. There is zero benefit from being in. Every meeting is conducted by teams even if some of the people are in.

But the owner would have us back 5 days a week if he could have his way.
That's awful. My mom worked at the university for a few years (now working for the school district, which she enjoys a whole lot more). She had that job throughout the majority of the pandemic. When stuff started calming down she went in 2 days a week, and then subsequently 3 days a week. But there was a purpose for her being there, because she was meeting with students and professors in-person.

Going into the office just for video calls makes absolutely no sense.
 
I'm nervously awaiting a job interview I have tomorrow and I'm really hoping I land this one. If I dont...I'm officially out of ideas.
Had my interview earlier this morning and I think everything went well. Probably wont have an answer for a few days (if not weeks) but I'm feeling confident about it.

The real-ness of it is starting to hit me today and I'm trying to see the positives in potentially landing this new job:

PROS:
  1. More money than I'll ever make working for my current company
  2. Better and less expensive benefits
  3. Unlimited PTO
  4. Advancement opportunities
CONS:
  1. No more working from home (potential of doing hybrid schedule though at a later date)
  2. Wont have access to MY fridge, MY bathroom, MY couch but they supposedly have an insane cafeteria with amazing and healthy food
  3. Driving commute on nasty winter roads. If I get new tires, this becomes slightly more bearable.
  4. Wont be able to hang out with my dog every day like he's used to. This one is actually the biggest thing I'm NOT looking forward to so I'm looking around online for dog day-care places nearby. My Gus is one of the reasons why I haven't outright lost my mind so the thought of not seeing him is really wearing on me right now.
I mean...come on. How can I say no to THAT face?
IMG_0181 Large.jpeg
 
  • Like
Reactions: BotchQue
Working in a corporate office does not appeal to me one bit. Actually, any corporate job... nope. As @The Clark and @Apple fanboy pointed out, office culture is quite disgusting.

But, what am I to say, I've never done it, so I have no experience. I just hear from you guys and some other people. My parents work in the schools, not at companies, so I don't have any immediate family who has, either. A few extended family members work at large companies (in finance and law), but from what I understand, they love it.
 
Had my interview earlier this morning and I think everything went well. Probably wont have an answer for a few days (if not weeks) but I'm feeling confident about it.

The real-ness of it is starting to hit me today and I'm trying to see the positives in potentially landing this new job:

PROS:
  1. More money than I'll ever make working for my current company
  2. Better and less expensive benefits
  3. Unlimited PTO
  4. Advancement opportunities
CONS:
  1. No more working from home (potential of doing hybrid schedule though at a later date)
  2. Wont have access to MY fridge, MY bathroom, MY couch but they supposedly have an insane cafeteria with amazing and healthy food
  3. Driving commute on nasty winter roads. If I get new tires, this becomes slightly more bearable.
  4. Wont be able to hang out with my dog every day like he's used to. This one is actually the biggest thing I'm NOT looking forward to so I'm looking around online for dog day-care places nearby. My Gus is one of the reasons why I haven't outright lost my mind so the thought of not seeing him is really wearing on me right now.
I mean...come on. How can I say no to THAT face?
View attachment 2468686
Good luck with it.

When you say Gus helped you stay sane, was it at the cost of his sanity? 😀
 
Working in a corporate office does not appeal to me one bit. Actually, any corporate job... nope. As @The Clark and @Apple fanboy pointed out, office culture is quite disgusting.

But, what am I to say, I've never done it, so I have no experience. I just hear from you guys and some other people. My parents work in the schools, not at companies, so I don't have any immediate family who has, either. A few extended family members work at large companies (in finance and law), but from what I understand, they love it.
It can get VERY disgusting. If you've ever watched the Office, that's pretty accurate to what the corporate sector is like.

Lots of paperwork.
Lots of meaningless meetings that could have been an email.
Lots of VP's patting themselves on the back.
Lots of "I swear to god, the next time you ask me this same question for the 1000th time, I'm going to staple the answer to your forehead with a nail gun" as tempting email replies.

Good luck with it.

When you say Gus helped you stay sane, was it at the cost of his sanity? 😀
Oh 100%. Being half Husky, half Border Collie, he's already 31 flavors of crazy. Making him stick around with me just accelerated the process.
 
Working in a corporate office does not appeal to me one bit. Actually, any corporate job... nope. As @The Clark and @Apple fanboy pointed out, office culture is quite disgusting.

But, what am I to say, I've never done it, so I have no experience. I just hear from you guys and some other people. My parents work in the schools, not at companies, so I don't have any immediate family who has, either. A few extended family members work at large companies (in finance and law), but from what I understand, they love it.
It’s changed a lot in recent years to be honest. 10 years or so ago things were very different. People were friendly and helpful. But unfortunately the culture change has become more noticeable.
Office politics and people looking to dump their work (even if they are your junior).
Looking forward to retirement. Unfortunately that’s a long time off yet. Especially as I’ll have to work longer than my parents generation.
 
It can get VERY disgusting. If you've ever watched the Office, that's pretty accurate to what the corporate sector is like.

Lots of paperwork.
Lots of meaningless meetings that could have been an email.
Lots of VP's patting themselves on the back.
Lots of "I swear to god, the next time you ask me this same question for the 1000th time, I'm going to staple the answer to your forehead with a nail gun" as tempting email replies.


Oh 100%. Being half Husky, half Border Collie, he's already 31 flavors of crazy. Making him stick around with me just accelerated the process.
I bet he takes a lot of walking. I like dogs but have never owned one. We don’t have any pets. Well I suppose Mrs AFB has me to look after.
 
I bet he takes a lot of walking. I like dogs but have never owned one. We don’t have any pets. Well I suppose Mrs AFB has me to look after.
A lot of walking, playing, running, fetching. We basically adopted a psychotic olympic athlete with fur and ADHD. I wouldn't give him up for anything though.
 
I think working from home can be very beneficial, but you also need a plan for how you'll stay physically active and how you'll spend time away from home. Hopefully in your job there is enough time during the day to go for a walk or the gym, etc.

But at least when working from home you're getting something done and not sitting around doing nothing (at least hopefully). I know far too many people who straight out of high school decide that neither college or a job is for them, and that they'd rather just be at home all the time. God, that's gotta be REALLY boring! And profoundly unhealthy, physically and mentally.
 
Working in a corporate office does not appeal to me one bit. Actually, any corporate job... nope. As @The Clark and @Apple fanboy pointed out, office culture is quite disgusting.

But, what am I to say, I've never done it, so I have no experience. I just hear from you guys and some other people. My parents work in the schools, not at companies, so I don't have any immediate family who has, either. A few extended family members work at large companies (in finance and law), but from what I understand, they love it.
It depends on the large company, the context, and, above all, it depends on the actual atmosphere at work.

I've had some superb bosses, and some truly dreadful ones. That makes a difference.

Moreover, for much of my work life, - especially (strangely enough) in academia, I have had (the privilege and pleasure of) an office of my own (and Decent Brother also enjoyed that in his previous job, when he worked as a lawyer with the local authority).

For some people - especially those of us who tend to be somewhat introverted by character, nature, or temperament, this is something that makes an environment where one is working with other people an awful lot easier, as you have your own private space, a place where you can close the door on others.

The modern office - and I am always amused, reading the drivel that companies write - the "our workforce are our greatest treasure..." type of tosh - when, by the way they actually run their companies, they make the modern office environment, with its open plan offices, an absolute nightmare yet remain baffled why so many workers have become wedded to the idea (and reality) of wfh - is a horror, but it does not need to be as bad as that.

Unfortunately, choices were made (choices based on, derived from, what was profitable, not on what was best practice for staff or customers) that ensured that such outcomes were all but inevitable.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: rm5
Had my interview earlier this morning and I think everything went well. Probably wont have an answer for a few days (if not weeks) but I'm feeling confident about it.

The real-ness of it is starting to hit me today and I'm trying to see the positives in potentially landing this new job:

PROS:
  1. More money than I'll ever make working for my current company
  2. Better and less expensive benefits
  3. Unlimited PTO
  4. Advancement opportunities
CONS:
  1. No more working from home (potential of doing hybrid schedule though at a later date)
  2. Wont have access to MY fridge, MY bathroom, MY couch but they supposedly have an insane cafeteria with amazing and healthy food
  3. Driving commute on nasty winter roads. If I get new tires, this becomes slightly more bearable.
  4. Wont be able to hang out with my dog every day like he's used to. This one is actually the biggest thing I'm NOT looking forward to so I'm looking around online for dog day-care places nearby. My Gus is one of the reasons why I haven't outright lost my mind so the thought of not seeing him is really wearing on me right now.
I mean...come on. How can I say no to THAT face?
View attachment 2468686
The very best of luck with it.

And Gus is gorgeous.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jedimasterkyle
Happy new year to all! I hope you're all keeping well.
I myself am ringing in the new year with a broken macbook screen!

Here's to better luck in the new year.
Do you have AppleCare on your MacBook 💻? Swing by an Apple Store somewhere during the week. They have resumed normal hours after new years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Clark
I think working from home can be very beneficial, but you also need a plan for how you'll stay physically active and how you'll spend time away from home. Hopefully in your job there is enough time during the day to go for a walk or the gym, etc.

But at least when working from home you're getting something done and not sitting around doing nothing (at least hopefully). I know far too many people who straight out of high school decide that neither college or a job is for them, and that they'd rather just be at home all the time. God, that's gotta be REALLY boring! And profoundly unhealthy, physically and mentally.
Well nearly two hours lost each day I go into the office. So my runs are shorter on those days.
So this morning I did a six mile run. When I go into the office I usually do around half that. That’s getting up before six. Regardless of where I’m working I go for a walk at lunchtime. Time away from screens and out in the fresh air.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Clark and rm5
Working in a corporate office does not appeal to me one bit. Actually, any corporate job... nope. As @The Clark and @Apple fanboy pointed out, office culture is quite disgusting.

But, what am I to say, I've never done it, so I have no experience. I just hear from you guys and some other people. My parents work in the schools, not at companies, so I don't have any immediate family who has, either. A few extended family members work at large companies (in finance and law), but from what I understand, they love it.

I'm self-employed and have worked from a home office for a long time now. I wouldn't have it any other way.

But my observation is that many people have a very difficult time working from home. They need to be in a dedicated work environment to be able to focus on work. The home environment simply is too distracting. Others simply want the strict separation between home life and work life that's possible when working at a business office.

And there are people who thrive in office settings. Contrary to the experience of some others in this thread, there are people who find they actually like their coworkers; actual friendships develop sometimes.....amazingly, coworkers sometimes fall in love and get married (seriously, this does happen :eek: )


For me, working from a home office is best.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: goldmac2006 and rm5
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.