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What's on my mind? People (often new members) looking in at online website-based discussion forums who don't seem to pay attention to when a thread was started and when the last response to that thread might have been..... (Spammers do this too, but usually they're cut off at the pass pretty quickly.) The result?
The member jumps in and posts something which is responding to an old post in the thread or asks questions about something someone had posted a while back, the kind of question which would be more appropriately asked of the other member in a PM (private message). Sometimes this triggers more responses from more members who haven't noticed that this is a very old thread in which they're now replying.
Resurrecting ("necro-ing") old threads is really not appreciated by most long-time and regular members of any forum. It has long been frowned upon, dating way back to the early days of the internet/WWW, Bulletin Boards, Usenet and other discussion groups.
Back in the day, there was an actual list of guiding principles, AKA: "netiquette", which had been established for good and valid reasons. For the most part that time has passed with the advent of broadband and much more rapid accessibility and communication, but nonetheless some "netiquette" is still (or should be) valued and some web-based forum discussion forums are still (or try to be) diligent about managing that. Obviously it doesn't always work.....
I've run into this "necro-ing" of an elderly thread several times this past week, not just here on MR but on other online discussion forums as well. Is this due to a post Christmas/New Year's influx of new people who have never been online before or who have never participated in a website-based discussion forum before? Somehow that is hard to believe in 2025! Is it something else?
Why don't people read before they post? Can't they figure out as they're skimming through an old thread that maybe some of the material under discussion is outdated by now? If they have a question or two about something someone has posted, why not simply send them a PM?
The member jumps in and posts something which is responding to an old post in the thread or asks questions about something someone had posted a while back, the kind of question which would be more appropriately asked of the other member in a PM (private message). Sometimes this triggers more responses from more members who haven't noticed that this is a very old thread in which they're now replying.
Resurrecting ("necro-ing") old threads is really not appreciated by most long-time and regular members of any forum. It has long been frowned upon, dating way back to the early days of the internet/WWW, Bulletin Boards, Usenet and other discussion groups.
Back in the day, there was an actual list of guiding principles, AKA: "netiquette", which had been established for good and valid reasons. For the most part that time has passed with the advent of broadband and much more rapid accessibility and communication, but nonetheless some "netiquette" is still (or should be) valued and some web-based forum discussion forums are still (or try to be) diligent about managing that. Obviously it doesn't always work.....
I've run into this "necro-ing" of an elderly thread several times this past week, not just here on MR but on other online discussion forums as well. Is this due to a post Christmas/New Year's influx of new people who have never been online before or who have never participated in a website-based discussion forum before? Somehow that is hard to believe in 2025! Is it something else?
Why don't people read before they post? Can't they figure out as they're skimming through an old thread that maybe some of the material under discussion is outdated by now? If they have a question or two about something someone has posted, why not simply send them a PM?
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On my mind is quite an interesting question: what even is classical music, and how can we actually make that distinction? Typically, we think of Western European music composed between the 17th and early 20th centuries as “classical music.” But why that specific time period? Is film music classical music? What about that of Phillip Glass or more contemporary composers? What kind of music are they writing?
If “classical music” doesn’t encompass 17th-20th century European music, then what does it define? If improvisation is the deciding factor, that also isn’t valid because improvisation exists in a lot of “classical music.” Just not 17th-20th century European music. But even then, improvisation was encouraged and practiced in that time period in the musical forms we call classical music.
Is it a distinction between popular and non-popular music? If so, shouldn’t experimental/avant-garde music be included in the definition?
Anyway, you’re probably bored of my somewhat philosophical interpretation, but it is an interesting question.
If “classical music” doesn’t encompass 17th-20th century European music, then what does it define? If improvisation is the deciding factor, that also isn’t valid because improvisation exists in a lot of “classical music.” Just not 17th-20th century European music. But even then, improvisation was encouraged and practiced in that time period in the musical forms we call classical music.
Is it a distinction between popular and non-popular music? If so, shouldn’t experimental/avant-garde music be included in the definition?
Anyway, you’re probably bored of my somewhat philosophical interpretation, but it is an interesting question.
I think a number of those posts are generated by people, possibly using bots, trying to manipulate algorithms used by social media and search engines that use "reputation" as a criterion and to increase the chances of their content being included in generative AI training data sets. Participating in long-existing threads helps these actors create the impression they are trusted users.
As a listener, I tend to label music that is played primarily on acoustic instruments, doesn't follow the highly restrictive structure of pop music, doesn't swing, and develops and expands on themes—in contrast to repeating a single theme—as (Western) classical. But lately, I've begun to simply regard music as music without worrying about genres or classifications.
Going up north near Bailey's Harbor, Wisconsin this weekend. The "nicest" weather we'll have is a high of 13--that's on Saturday. Otherwise, supposed to be well below 0 (-10 to -20 F). This will be a fun trip, but not looking forward to being in an even colder place (here, an hour and a half south, temps seem to be stabilized in the single digits - not below 0). To my southwestern brain, "nice weather" means in the 60s-80s. Anything hotter is too hot, and anything colder is too cold. And, back in my hometown, the weather is just that--they got a high of 68 today.
It’s always nice to take a break even after recovering from a cold. @rm5
Do you have any great suggestions for MagSafe accessories for my iPhone? I already have a MagSafe trifold wallet and a power bank, but I need to replace all the old power banks I’ve had for 5-8 years. It’s going to be a rough week with the huge storms coming through this last week of winter break after the SB LIX.
Preferably multifunctional MagSafe accessories including a power bank with lots of power and to charge an Apple Watch ⌚️
I don't really know where I stand with this. On one hand, if the old thread has very good/important points made in it by other posters, then sure, I think it's fine to reply to it. It depends on how old the thread is. I think this is fine, in my opinion, if the thread is just a few years old. However, if it's one with a last reply 20 years ago, it makes no sense. Of course, you have a good point about stuff that's more appropriate for a direct message, but to be honest, that point stands for everything, even new threads.
To me, it goes like this:
- It's fine to reply to a thread with a last post no older than a few years
- If the last post was more than a few (4-5) years ago, see if a newer thread exists. If so, post in that one (this goes for even newer threads - and iirc MacRumors specifically mentions this in the rules)
- If the thread is more than 4-5 years old and doesn't have a newer counterpart, start your own new one. You're more likely to gain attention, anyway.
- If the post you are replying to is more appropriately addressed via direct message, utilize that functionality (underutilized, honestly). This goes for any thread, old or new.
Oh, it definitely will be! Going for a music education retreat with about 10 other people, so a small group. I'm glad it's a small group, cause I've heard that in past years, there've been like 30 people. Best part, it's completely free to students! I've never been up there, but it's the university's northern campus (really an estate).
Hope Kerr hire an own driver next time she will go out on heavy partying - she can afford it - glad she was found not guilty of racially aggravated harassment and freed of all accusations.
Hope to se her back to the pitch doing what she's good at very soon!
www.theguardian.com
Hope to se her back to the pitch doing what she's good at very soon!
Sam Kerr found not guilty of racially aggravated harassment of police officer
Matildas and Chelsea star had denied charge and was cleared at Kingston crown court
I never understand why rich people drink and drive. Just get someone to drive you home and stop putting lives at risk.Hope Kerr hire an own driver next time she will go out on heavy partying - she can afford it - glad she was found not guilty of racially aggravated harassment and freed of all accusations.
Hope to se her back to the pitch doing what she's good at very soon!
Sam Kerr found not guilty of racially aggravated harassment of police officer
Matildas and Chelsea star had denied charge and was cleared at Kingston crown court
But she wasn’t drinking and driving - she took a cab - get at least your accusations right 😂
AFAIK she was in a cab or mini cab - was sick in it (there's always a fouling charge when that happens as the cabbie has to finish for the night to clean up - in black cabs it's on the scale of charges displayed). Sounds like there was a bust up over paying the charge. There was an altercation and the cabbie locked them in and drove to a police station to sort it out. (Right or wrong they will do that if you refuse to pay). She was then abusive to a police officer.
You ask some excellent questions and make some excellent points; fascinating post.
This means, by your definition, that Baroque comes under the heading of "Classical Music", whereas I was taught (yes, I studied the history of music at one time) that what is defined - or, thought of as - "classic" Classical Music dated from the end of the Baroque period (roughly 1750, because Baroque was considered to have been a prominent style between 1600/1650-1750) until the emergence of the Romantic period (roughly 1850, or so).
Now, obviously, to many of us this is far too prescriptive, not least, as nowadays, most people (not to mention actual music shops, when labelling their stock, in the days when there were wonderful stores - HMV, Virgin etc and many independent stores - with amazing selections of CDs, that one could while away whole afternoons browsing through) tend to lump the Baroque, "Classical" and Romantic eras of music all under the one heading of "Classical".
Re Philip Glass, Arvo Pärt, Karl Jenkins, etc, you (one) tended to find them under the heading of "Contemporary Classical" music, in the most 'modern' part of a classical music display (which was often sub-divided by era, - Baroque, etc - and then, by composer).
As for improvisation - unless one chooses to adhere rigidly to a specific interpretation of a piece of music, or a certain style, - I cannot see how the study, and performance, of what is defined as classical music could be said to exclude improvisation; surely "interpretation" is simply another term for a specific type of improvisation?
Nevertheless, I do think that these "labels" - for want of a better term - came to be applied to defining, and describing, forms of music as a consequence of a growing, or increasing, division - from roughly the latter part of the 16th century - between, on the one hand, court, and/or church music, - in other words, formal music composed for, and performed in (and funded by, or paid for, by), - the wealthy, the church, what we might describe as "a socio-economic-cultural and political elite", formal, public music, and - on the other hand - music that was composed (often improvised) for performances in the "private" - and/or popular - space, also the less affluent space, where improvisation - and informality - as well as consummate skill - defined "popular" music, music that was played in taverns, or pubs, in the homes of people, at weddings, and on, and these descriptions and differences came to reflect increasingly stark differences in social class, as well.
In other words, there was an increasing division - and distinction in form - between the music enjoyed by (and thought to be appropriate to appreciate) the respective social classes and a growing gulf between what was considered formal and informal music; among other things, music became a signifier of social class, hence the descriptive (and ascriptive) labels.
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Sorry I didn’t read the article. I made an assumption based on the headline.
But my point still stands. Just apparently not for this person!
Well thank you for filling in the blanks! Yes not good behaviour at all. Alcohol no doubt played its part as it often does in these sort of incidents.
She was drunk and out of line. In his official statement the male police office said her comments had left him “shocked, upset and humiliated”. Where the heck do they get these current officers from? He should be in a different line of work, something where he may not be easily upset.
I wished it was only rich people. Too much suffering has been caused by that stupid combination of alcohol and cars.
Starting (*) the morning with a nice cup of cappuccino (homemade) is just amazing.
(*) starting meant as that action that follows the feeding of the “starving” meowing cats.
(*) starting meant as that action that follows the feeding of the “starving” meowing cats.
Yes, the couple of Met coppers I know are frustrated with the environment they have to work in.
Indeed. Personally I rarely drink these days. But if I do I’m not climbing behind the wheel afterwards.
Same. It has been my rule since I was 20 or so to never drive if I had a drink six hours prior. Even a small beer; I don’t care, if I drink, I don’t drive. Which usually translates into not drinking when I go out.