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whats Your reasoning for sticking with Apple ?
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The build quality is class leading and they lead the class in design. iOS is such an easy system to work in. People say it's all 'hype' that Apple spruke that they design for the customer experience, but everything they do seems to be for that reason alone.
My 2014 MBP still runs like I just bought it. You cannot say that with a PC.
My 2014 MBP still runs like I just bought it. You cannot say that with a PC.
What, in particular, do you find better about Apple security?
All of the popular systems have closed most of the holes in their security - the days of worms and viruses ended long ago.
Most of the successful attacks today involve social engineering and malicious messaging. If you're not running a modern security suite Apple OSX and Apple IOS are no less vulnerable than other platforms.
You can't train your users to recognize and avoid malware - you need to have active defenses. (I'm trained - if I get an email with an odd URL link - I'll spin up a volatile (non-persistent) VM and follow the link from there. If the link is malware - it can download the entire VM and find nothing of interest. It can install all kinds of key loggers and spyware on the system - and when I shut it down they are all erased.)
The people who think that Apple OSX is immune to malware are stuck in the last century.
I realized a while ago that for my phone I just need something that works 99.9% of the time and doesn't let me down on basic functions. I don't need all the customization or split screen nonsense, I can do that on a laptop/desktop. On a desktop I still prefer Windows, mainly because I use it for gaming, but on a laptop I like macOS mainly because of the battery life and performance. Even after 4 years this laptop is still running like the day I got it.
Yes, in the sense that I wouldn't run either without an add-on security layer.
As with the desktop operating systems - many of the problems are in the applications. Feeling cocky and protected while running bad apps on IOS is no different than running bad apps on Android.
My phone is Android - but I have not installed any apps. Not worth the risk. It's a telephone. I make and receive calls, and not much else.
That kind of defeats the purpose of a smart phone I would have thought. However, we know that Android is far far more likely to have malware than iOS purely based on iOS being the 'walled garden'. I cannot download an app to my iOS device without it having been approved by Apple. The same cannot be said for Android.
It comes down to the OP's question. The reason for sticking with Apple can include security of its iOS devices.
I can't say I have exclusively stuck with them. I'm currently using a V30 as my daily driver. I appreciate iMessage and the ease of the way backing up works but that's it.
For calls and data, I've never had the best luck and the 7 Plus burned me with dropped calls/low signal.
I am not counting them out completely and I still love my iPad Pro 9.7. I will be just sitting back and watching where they go next.
For calls and data, I've never had the best luck and the 7 Plus burned me with dropped calls/low signal.
I am not counting them out completely and I still love my iPad Pro 9.7. I will be just sitting back and watching where they go next.
Google allo is garbage compared to iMessage simple as that. Listen to what you said iMessage is seamless no downloading anything plus high resolution pics and 1080 vids. iMessage is a beast
IOS has, imho, an inherent advantage over other mobile OSs and platforms - a direct line to users. Other OSs/platforms my identify an issue, send it off to the device makers (who have previously customized the OS), and then essentially hope that the carriers will make it available to users. When Apple identifies an issue - it is made available directly to users.
FWIW, I appreciate Apple prodding me to up my game with device privacy - longer PINs, FV, and so on.
For Mac OS X, I don't know that I am qualified to say if it is more or less secure than another OS. But I do know that MS seems to be constantly patching its OS, which in my corporate life was a PIA when I had a Windows system. The associated antivirus is more intrusive, at least for me.
So no, I don't think that Apple is immune to security issues. Threats come from significantly more vectors than years gone by. But how Apple deals with security on their platforms is one of the reasons I stick with Apple.
FWIW, I appreciate Apple prodding me to up my game with device privacy - longer PINs, FV, and so on.
For Mac OS X, I don't know that I am qualified to say if it is more or less secure than another OS. But I do know that MS seems to be constantly patching its OS, which in my corporate life was a PIA when I had a Windows system. The associated antivirus is more intrusive, at least for me.
So no, I don't think that Apple is immune to security issues. Threats come from significantly more vectors than years gone by. But how Apple deals with security on their platforms is one of the reasons I stick with Apple.
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I stick with Apple for a number of reasons.
In no particular order:
Reasons for me to leave the platform
So there you have it, I have my reasons for sticking with Apple, but that doesn't mean I'm all that happy with how things seem to be right now. I just bought an iPhone X, so I don't see myself leaving iOS any time soon and my iMac is only 2 years old so I'm happy with that. I need a new laptop though and the odds are high that I'll be getting a windows machine
In no particular order:
- Inertia: its easier to stay with what I have then change platforms. I have the apps I like the way iOS or OS X works. Its all muscle memory.
- malware: I've read that the google app store is rife with counterfeit and/or malware apps. Something I really don't want to deal with. On the OS X/Windows side. I do like Windows and much of the traditional viruses are no longer an issue in Windows, but ransomware is rearing its ugly head and it seems more targeted at Windows.
- Design: I do like the design of what is rolling out at Apple, both in laptops and phones.
- Integration: I'm getting rewarded for using Macs and iPhones with a tightly integrated user experience.
Reasons for me to leave the platform
- Quality: Apple's QC seems to be slipping. Take the keyboard as a prime example.
- Cost: Its harder to justify spending almost 3k on a laptop when I can spend 1/2 that and get a machine that on paper uses a better GPU, CPU, more storage. Overall a better machine
- Planned obsolescence: It seems apple is more then happy to design a machine that is sealed where you cannot upgrade or even repair.
So there you have it, I have my reasons for sticking with Apple, but that doesn't mean I'm all that happy with how things seem to be right now. I just bought an iPhone X, so I don't see myself leaving iOS any time soon and my iMac is only 2 years old so I'm happy with that. I need a new laptop though and the odds are high that I'll be getting a windows machine
and that's the biggest problem with Android. I use Hangouts (yeah one of the few), most of my family have Samsungs and Motorolas but they aren't tech savvy. So trying to get them to download an app and learn how to use it is to many steps. Plus since they have been using the native messaging app for years, they don't want to change.
If there was something like iMessage on Android. Something that was already installed on the phone, already integrated people would have no problems using it.
When Apple left PowerPC I left the Mac
When iOS 7 hit my iPhone 4 I left the iOS
While I'd never go back to iOS I am curious to see how the MacBook evolves If Apple does something interesting there I'd be tempted
When iOS 7 hit my iPhone 4 I left the iOS
While I'd never go back to iOS I am curious to see how the MacBook evolves If Apple does something interesting there I'd be tempted
I agree on all things, save for quality. I switched to Apple in 2008, almost by accident. My wife wanted a MacBook because her colleagues had one, and raved about them. I bought one for her, but she wasn't sure about the OS, so she asked me to figure it out to help her through the transition. Once I got the hang of it, I loved it, and I haven't looked back. I am now deeply committed to the Apple eco-system, and I don't regret it.
Don't get me wrong, I hate the high price point of new Apple products (I have the 2016 MBP Touch Bar. THAT was expensive), but my Apple devices last me far longer, and maintain their speed and ease of use far longer than my colleagues with windows machines. There really is no comparison.
My MBP (TB) replaced my 11" 2011 MBA last year. I needed a bigger screen, with more capacity, and it was time to move on. The machine still worked incredibly well though. And during those 5 years, I used it almost constantly, day in and day out. I'd accidentally dropped it from waist/chest height a dozen times. The aluminium casing had some dents, but it kept on working brilliantly. To my mind that demonstrates a tremendous build quality.
Also in 2016, it still loaded iTunes, and MS Office 2011 for Mac, faster than a colleagues 1 year old Windows laptop.
So, what I am saying is Yes, I hate the pricing, (and I think the current pricing is particularly unreasonable given that the latest chips aren't that much of a technological leap forward from previous years), but I do think Apple gives good value for money, especially over the longer term (and I think 5 years is a long time in tech).
I assume you mean "interesting" from a hardware point of view. Anything in particular?
Quality.
My rMBP 15" is the most beautiful computer I've ever had. And the 8plus iPhone is gorgeous.
Got into computers around 2001 - spent a couple of years with Windows, 12-13 years with Linux and then switched to Apple. The intuitiveness of the design bowled me over completely. Not looked back. My only gripe currently is that I can't afford a 27" 5k iMac. Can't decide whether to keep the 4k 21" iMac, which I put a 1TB SSD in, or sell it and go for a 2015 27" iMac (and likely end up with a 5400rpm SATA drive). Or sell the iMac and get an LG 27" 5k monitor and run it off the MBP. First world problems!
My rMBP 15" is the most beautiful computer I've ever had. And the 8plus iPhone is gorgeous.
Got into computers around 2001 - spent a couple of years with Windows, 12-13 years with Linux and then switched to Apple. The intuitiveness of the design bowled me over completely. Not looked back. My only gripe currently is that I can't afford a 27" 5k iMac. Can't decide whether to keep the 4k 21" iMac, which I put a 1TB SSD in, or sell it and go for a 2015 27" iMac (and likely end up with a 5400rpm SATA drive). Or sell the iMac and get an LG 27" 5k monitor and run it off the MBP. First world problems!
In the last 6 yrs I've been slowly sucked into the Apple vortex after spending decades with os2 and then linux. First, the iPad, then the iPhone, my wife's macbook, then macos in a VM. Apple products just keeps dragging me further along the path to full integration. I've got my eye on an iMac 27". The design of the products is very eye appealing to me. And an iMac with sdd ought to be quiet. Nice & quiet. And I like the customer support. The price premium is a bit much but no question I'm get what you pay for.
I'm tired of buying pc's that seem just right only to find that they are not just right for me because I'm not a member of the market for that pc I thought was great. I'm not a gamer. So that great deal I got on a hot machine just turns out to be a PITA after a few years and I start looking at upgrade options.
I'm tired of buying pc's that seem just right only to find that they are not just right for me because I'm not a member of the market for that pc I thought was great. I'm not a gamer. So that great deal I got on a hot machine just turns out to be a PITA after a few years and I start looking at upgrade options.
Try this: next time you're in a store with an Android phone that you're interested in buying (Samsung, whatever) - load up a complex web page on that phone. Something with either a lot of content or a lot of ads (eg: the full desktop version of the nytimes.com site, or imore.com will do nicely).
Next - try scrolling through the content on the Android phone. Then try the same thing on the iPhone 7/8/X demo model in the same store.
There are a few things I like about Android over iOS... but iOS is just so much more *responsive* than Android what en it comes to interacting with onscreen content (*especially* Safari vs Chrome), that I always end up going back to iOS (I do dev work so I get to play with both platforms regularly).
That said, if scrolling through web pages isn't something that you're going to do regularly, then maybe you won't notice a difference.
I like that products have a long life. My 5s is very usable under ios 11 and I if the battery doesn't die IOS 12 is around the corner. One can find cheaper products that "do the same thing"; i.e. check facebook, read email, browse the internet etc., but the support, as I understand it, isn't the same.
Because Android doesnt have a proper tablet and a Watch. I personally find the iPhone overpriced as compared to the Note 8. But the lack of a tablet forces my hand.
As soon as another company can best Apples user experience I’m selling stock and jumping ship. It’s a great company to invest in but as a user the prices are too high. Reminds me of when Blackberry used to charge $599 for a new piece of plastic. You bought it because it was still the best but the second it wasn’t it was over.