When do you think that Apple will release the M2 Pro/Max MBPs?

[dustSafa]

I know that it might sound crazy and annoying when the new ones have just launched but I would like to know what your opinions are on this.Will apple go on a 18 month cycle or 2 years for the upcoming AS MBPs if everything goes well in terms of manufacturing processes etc. or would they update them annually like in the past with intel ones?

 

[leman]

My bet is on annually. It will take a couple of years for the release schedules to settle down though. Right now everything is a bit of an emergency anyway

 

[lowkey]

I think like iPhones. Yearly updates.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

My bet is on annually. It will take a couple of years for the release schedules to settle down though. Right now everything is a bit of an emergency anyway

So you think for the next 2 years or so it won't be annual ? Or that it will be,but with several months of delay (not exactly 1 year after the release of the previous Mac that is )
I'm wondering if next MBP won't be in like 2 years or so..

 

[leman]

So you think for the next 2 years or so it won't be annual ? Or that it will be,but with several months of delay (not exactly 1 year after the release of the previous Mac that is )
I'm wondering if next MBP won't be in like 2 years or so..

I think that the releases will be irregular for a while. For example, it has been speculated that the pro Macs were supposed to be released in the summer but were delayed because of the display panel shortages. Similarly, M2 consumer Macs should have arrived now, but were likely delayed because of foundry capacity issues. I think in the long run we will see iPhones and consumer Macs in fall and pro Macs the following spring/summer.

 

[Abazigal]

I know that it might sound crazy and annoying when the new ones have just launched but I would like to know what your opinions are on this.Will apple go on a 18 month cycle or 2 years for the upcoming AS MBPs if everything goes well in terms of manufacturing processes etc. or would they update them annually like in the past with intel ones?

My guess is every 1.5 to 2 years. Mac hardware doesn’t really improve that significantly, and the M1 processor is fast enough that the competition likely won’t be able to catch up anytime soon.

 

[Larabee119]

2020 M1
2021 M1 Pro/Max
2022 M2
2023 M2 Pro/Max

Need to save wafers for iPhones too and they need higher yield for larger chips like the Pro/Max chip, so a more mature / optimized node is required.
Right now they are in a bit of a production constraint, so iPhone will take most of the wafers then iPad (since it's basically the same chip) and Mac gets whatever left.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I think that the releases will be irregular for a while. For example, it has been speculated that the pro Macs were supposed to be released in the summer but were delayed because of the display panel shortages. Similarly, M2 consumer Macs should have arrived now, but were likely delayed because of foundry capacity issues. I think in the long run we will see iPhones and consumer Macs in fall and pro Macs the following spring/summer.

Who said M2 should have arrived now ??
It doesn't make any sense to release next gen Mac with newer architecture (A15 based M2) when the m1pro just got released ...

 

[leman]

Who said M2 should have arrived now ??
It doesn't make any sense to release next gen Mac with newer architecture (A15 based M2) when the m1pro just got released ...

I am not saying we will see M2 this year. Because a) M1 Pro/Max was delayed and b) the new Air chassis is likely not ready for volume shipment yet. But couple of years down the line, as everything settles, I'd expect the release schedule to follow the timeline I have described, or maybe something similar.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if M2 Pro/Max will already arrive in summer 2022. All depends on the supply factors.

 

[boak]

Probably every 2 years. M# cores will likely be based on even-numbered A chips.

 

[dugbug]

Probably every 2 years. M# cores will likely be based on even-numbered A chips.

The M2 Air is supposedly coming this Spring

 

[boak]

The M2 Air is supposedly coming this Spring

Supposedly but I don't see it coming so soon tbh.

My guess is:

Spring: iMac Pro, purple iPhone, iPad Air, AirPods Pro
WWDC: macOS, iOS and Mac Pro
September: iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad
October: MacBook Air, Mac mini

 

[dgdosen]

I can see the M1 max/pro shipping on fire storm/ice storm cores as this process is ramping up... But if we don't see M2s until post-June 2022, might they be based on 4nm A16 cores, as those will be shipping around then?

With supply chain issues, I think it's reasonable to expect that the M and A cadence won't be in parity (yet), especially since we haven't even seen the high end desktop version yet.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

2020 M1
2021 M1 Pro/Max
2022 M2
2023 M2 Pro/Max

Need to save wafers for iPhones too and they need higher yield for larger chips like the Pro/Max chip, so a more mature / optimized node is required.
Right now they are in a bit of a production constraint, so iPhone will take most of the wafers then iPad (since it's basically the same chip) and Mac gets whatever left.

Probably every 2 years. M# cores will likely be based on even-numbered A chips.

What makes u think that though?

 

[Zdigital2015]

I can see the M1 max/pro shipping on fire storm/ice storm cores as this process is ramping up... But if we don't see M2s until post-June 2022, might they be based on 4nm A16 cores, as those will be shipping around then?

With supply chain issues, I think it's reasonable to expect that the M and A cadence won't be in parity (yet), especially since we haven't even seen the high end desktop version yet.

M2 is going to be based on A15, and M3 will be based on the A16. This is a logical outgrowth of what happened with A14–>M1–>M1Pro/Max. I think the cadence is not on a regular interval for the M-Series SoCs for a variety of reason, so there may be a skip at some point, but I don’t see Apple skipping a process node on a Apple Silicon generation ever, when they have shown they can get hella mileage out of the SoCs that they are releasing now. The M1 is not going anywhere for at least another 8 months, perhaps longer, which clearly shows that A14 was a bit of a watershed moment in A-Series development. I think the cadence is going to be closer to 18-24 months, which is fine for the Mac. The iPhone is a complete different animal.

 

[nquinn]

My guess is every 1.5 to 2 years. Mac hardware doesn’t really improve that significantly, and the M1 processor is fast enough that the competition likely won’t be able to catch up anytime soon.

Ya, I fear Apple will get lazy and sit on these chips for longer periods of time. They had no issue doing that in the past with longer intel intervals.

 

[boak]

What makes u think that though?

I'm assuming Apple won't release M2 before finishing the M1 line-up.

 

[mi7chy]

Once 3nm is available so probably looking at 2nd half of 2022.

 

[dgdosen]

M2 is going to be based on A15, and M3 will be based on the A16. This is a logical outgrowth of what happened with A14–>M1–>M1Pro/Max. I think the cadence is not on a regular interval for the M-Series SoCs for a variety of reason, so there may be a skip at some point, but I don’t see Apple skipping a process node on a Apple Silicon generation ever, when they have shown they can get hella mileage out of the SoCs that they are releasing now. The M1 is not going anywhere for at least another 8 months, perhaps longer, which clearly shows that A14 was a bit of a watershed moment in A-Series development. I think the cadence is going to be closer to 18-24 months, which is fine for the Mac. The iPhone is a complete different animal.

So in six years, the M chips will be 3-6 revs behind the A chips? I don't think that adds up.

 

[darngooddesign]

I know that it might sound crazy and annoying when the new ones have just launched but I would like to know what your opinions are on this.Will apple go on a 18 month cycle or 2 years for the upcoming AS MBPs if everything goes well in terms of manufacturing processes etc. or would they update them annually like in the past with intel ones?

I think we will see two year intervals (approximatly) on the chips so M2 next year and M2-P/M the year after.

 

[ader42]

Remember the Macs that haven’t seen an Apple Silicon refresh will be staggered releases, 27” iMac spring or summer 2022, Mac Pro summer or fall 2022.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see M2 MBA in spring 2022 and 27” iMacs with M2 Pro/Max next summer, despite most people assuming they will only get M1 Pro/Max. The 27” iMac will only get M1 Pro/Max if it releases earlier than WWDC 2022.

If we are going to get an M1 Pro/Max Mini it will likely be a press release launch before the M2 launches. Otherwise it will be an M2 option.

I think the Mac Pro will have multiple M2 based SOCs not M1 (M2 Extreme).

I don’t think the M series have to be annual upgrades, but they may be down the line once the form factors have stabilised.

It’s going to continue to be a bit chaotic during transition (until 2023).

Come 2023 we might settle down to M3 MBA/Mini/iMac in spring, and M3 Pro/Max MBP/Mini/iMac Pro/Mac Pro for WWDC.

I don’t see an M3 launching at same time as A16, I think we wait from fall to spring for A series to M series.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I'm assuming Apple won't release M2 before finishing the M1 line-up.

So ?
Beginning of 2022,iMac pro with m1pro
(For Mac pro indeed I have no idea rly)
April 2022, MacBook air M2
November 2022 ,MBP M2 pro . what's so hard about that

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I think we will see two year intervals (approximatly) on the chips so M2 next year and M2-P/M the year after.

Just like with the m1 basically? M1 and about a year after,M1 pro ?

 

[UltimateSyn]

I don't think the MacBook Pro (14" and 16") will even be touched next year. They'll first focus on completing the Apple Silicon transition with the iMac Pro, Mac Pro and higher-end Mac mini. They've also got a redesigned MacBook Air in the works with the consumer-level version of the next chip. That's four brand new Macs for next year already, plus maybe a spec bump of the 24" iMac to M2.

They've likely designed the Jade 2C-Die and Jade 4C-Die with the same microarchitecture as the M1 Pro and Max. I don't think the M1 Pro and M1 Max will be updated to the M2 microarchitecture until 1H of 2023. After that maybe we'll see yearly updates once the lineup has stabilized and they're not redesigning their entire Mac lineup all at once.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

I don't think the MacBook Pro (14" and 16") will even be touched next year. They'll first focus on completing the Apple Silicon transition with the iMac Pro, Mac Pro and higher-end Mac mini. They've also got a redesigned MacBook Air in the works with the consumer-level version of the next chip. That's four brand new Macs for next year already, plus maybe a spec bump of the 24" iMac to M2.

They've likely designed the Jade 2C-Die and Jade 4C-Die with the same microarchitecture as the M1 Pro and Max. I don't think the M1 Pro and M1 Max will be updated to the M2 microarchitecture until 1H of 2023. After that maybe we'll see yearly updates once the lineup has stabilized and they're not redesigning their entire Mac lineup all at once.

What makes u think that updating the 24 iMac is feasible ,but doing so with the MBP isn't ?