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When does IPhones take the USB C leap

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Why should they keep lightning? Whats better on this port? Don‘t know it really
It provides Apple with royalties. And buying USB-C cables currently is really hit and miss. Not all companies adhere to the proper implementation guidelines, which is REALLY annoying.

Apple will have no choice if the EC decides to force all manufacturers to switch to a common plug. In 2014, the EC gave OEM's time to voluntarily switch to a common standard by 2018. Everyone did, except Apple. The EC will now force the issue, so it's likely Apple will be using usb-c in the 2019 iPhones.
I really hope they will do so. Proprietary connectors are so annoying. Go EC!

Hopefully not too soon since I got crap ton of lightning cables and some accessories.
It may come as a pleasent surprise for you, but your Lightning cables, accessories and Lightning equipped iOS units will not spontaneously burst into flame when Apple announced USB-C iPhones! :)

Is the EU going to pay for the redesign of the phone?
Of course not. No one is forcing Apple to sell their products in the EU. If they want to though, they have to follow regulations. Nothing strange about that.

Just wondering how an anti-business group thinks they are above everyone else and can force companies to change just because they say so.
That's because they are pro-consumer.. Which, you know, all the people living there are.

Apple wants to remove the port completely from the phone. Type C would require Apple to make their phones thicker.
You should tell that to the USB-C iPad, which is thinner than the iPhone.
 
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This is an example of Apple doing what is best for Apple, not for their customers. USB-C is much better than Lightning. It's way faster, and universally accepted.

Apple has a long track record of using proprietary stuff, to force us to buy their expensive versions of what everyone else is using. They do the same where they hold back features, or slow down your phone with updates, in order to entice/force you to upgrade to a new device to get those features or restore your performance.

The lightning cable and refusal to adopt global industry standards, that happen to be better than theirs, is simple one example of this...
 
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The only reason the iPad changed was because it's a step towards making it fit the computer role slightly better. The iPhone will never be a computer, so Apple will keep on using Lightning as long as they can.
 
The only reason the iPad changed was because it's a step towards making it fit the computer role slightly better. The iPhone will never be a computer, so Apple will keep on using Lightning as long as they can.

Which hopefully won’t be that much longer, the EU has lost patience in this now.

I think Apple will jump before they are pushed.


Parliamentary questions

1 August 2018

Answer given by Ms Vestager on behalf of the European Commission

Concerning the harmonisation of chargers for data-enabled mobile telephones, the Commission, following expiration of the memorandum of understanding signed in 2009,(2) has encouraged adoption of a new voluntary agreement.

However, given the unsatisfactory progress with this voluntary approach, the Commission will shortly launch an impact assessment study to evaluate costs and benefits of different other options.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2018-002595-ASW_EN.html?redirect
 
Tomorrow.

You heard it here first, when you wake up tomorrow your iPhone’s lightning port will be replaced with USB-C.
 
I think if Apple moves the iPhone to USB-C they will have to move the "regular" iPads also.
 
Listen to john grubers latest podcast. He says never and I tend to agree. He states his reasons

Lighting 2 with backwards compatibility is probably likely tho
 
Listen to john grubers latest podcast. He says never and I tend to agree. He states his reasons

Lighting 2 with backwards compatibility is probably likely tho
I doubt Apple would "waste" money by re-iterating lightning. My guess is once the whole iPhone lineup supports wireless charging (1 more year for the 7 lineup to be gone), they then will just remove the lightning port altogether.
 
This was implied when I said the size difference.
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Well you should look up fast charging via lightning to USB-C cable. Also the USB3 transfer speed using that cable with selected idevice(s).

Both of those are entirely hardware dependent though. iPad Pro's have USB 3 controllers (and 16 pins) to allow those transfers through a specially reworked adapter that even still doesn't allow device to computer USB 3 transfers. The chargers have PD controllers to allow it as well, which requires USB-C mains to enable the circuitry which on the Lightning end is just power leads at that point for the charging system to draw from. Lightning is merely being retrofitted to provide modern USB 3 and USB-C capability but it's all done on either end of the port/cable. I have firm belief Apple will drop the aged middle-man and go directly to USB-C universally next year otherwise Apple would have to rework the lightning pins in phones to allow the function of better throughput but I feel like that would be quite a waste of effort when it would be much easier and efficient to copy and paste USB-C.
 
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I doubt Apple would "waste" money by re-iterating lightning. My guess is once the whole iPhone lineup supports wireless charging (1 more year for the 7 lineup to be gone), they then will just remove the lightning port altogether.

Now that would be bold!!! However, not unprecedented. As we've seen, they removed the headphone jack.
 
Listen to john grubers latest podcast. He says never and I tend to agree. He states his reasons

Lighting 2 with backwards compatibility is probably likely tho

Never?

How does he (and you) suggest they will get around the EU regulation that is coming?
 
Never?

How does he (and you) suggest they will get around the EU regulation that is coming?

Probably the same way they got around it the last time a mandate like this came down. They just included the micro-usb to Lighting adapter in the box.

Hopefully, the new regulation forbids such a move this time around.
 
Apple will have no choice if the EC decides to force all manufacturers to switch to a common plug. In 2014, the EC gave OEM's time to voluntarily switch to a common standard by 2018. Everyone did, except Apple. The EC will now force the issue, so it's likely Apple will be using usb-c in the 2019 iPhones.

Lol Apple was a signatory for the 2014 common charger, because they were always and still are shipping a common charger.

https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/221694178.jpg
 
umm, no.

Lightning can only handle up to 12W of charging power, whereas USB-C can handle up to 100 watts, 20V/5A charge speed with the USB Power Delivery technology. In addition, it’s bi-directional, so a device can either send or receive power. USB-C therefore only requires one cable and one charging brick and could essentially power everything from laptops to phones. In point of fact, I have a 60W charging brick and USB-C cable to charge my XPS laptop and when needed, I can simply pop my One+ 6T on to the same charger and cable and charge my phone if I wish. One cable, one charger to do everything.

Lightning devices transfer data at USB 2.0 speeds, which is 480Mbps while USB-C can transfer data at USB 3.0 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) speeds or 5Gbps. The default protocol with the USB-C connector is USB 3.1 which at 10Gbps (USB 3.1 Gen 2), is theoretically twice as fast as USB 3.0. Less time transferring, more time doing.

Additionally, USB-C supports simultaneously video signals and power streams. Another thing Lightning can't do.

IPad pro can be charged at 29W with Lighting.
IPad Pro and iPhoneX can transfer data as USB3 rate using Lightning.

Unsure of video capability, but if it can do USB3 speed, no reason video cant be sent.
 
IMO Its more likely Apple has the “courage” to do away with all cables, and go strictly wireless charging.

The third iteration is a taking away.

6... 6s... and on 6ss (I mean 7) they did away with audio.

X... Xs... and on Xss have a debate st the office whether they end 3dTouch or charge port. I suspect both.
 
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I would like more consistency between devices. With the new, 11", IPP, I initially tried to use the Apple provided accessories to charge. More than once (...many more times) I have had difficulty getting the USB-C end into and out of the IPP. Needing to work the connector in or out seems like it will loosen up the connection internally. So I ordered a third party cord and it didn't work.....no data transfer or recognition of the new iPadPro, with my older MacBookPro (2013). So I tried another one without success. On the third attempt, I purchased a Belkin A to C cord; shut down the IPP; signed out of iTunes; shut down the MBP; and restarted the whole mess together. It's a little slow but I can now charge and sync the new iPP with the MBP.

Bottom line.......It's annoying to have to change connectors; to have to purchase connectors that don't meet the standard; and to be short a USB port now since I need to use a different cord for the iPhone XS (lightening) and the IPP. I do have cordless chargers in two other places, but sometimes need to charge the phone while working. I can easily need to charge my IPP 2x per day when working.

Ideal situation would be to lose the cords to charge all devices. But then.....how could you charge while traveling without taking stands or mats with you and that would be awkward in airports, etc. Maybe the best option is what we have on the phone....the option to wirelessly charge or use a cord. I imagine we will see Apple give us wireless charging for the iPad before we see a USB-C on the phone, but eventually match up the cords to the two devices.
 
not really a point other than the port itself. apple aint going to open it up do anything really functional. just like the iPad
 
Apple will have no choice if the EC decides to force all manufacturers to switch to a common plug. In 2014, the EC gave OEM's time to voluntarily switch to a common standard by 2018. Everyone did, except Apple. The EC will now force the issue, so it's likely Apple will be using usb-c in the 2019 iPhones.
I think Apple got round that because (I think) the directive said that phones must be micro usb compatible.

Apple offer a Micro usb adaptor, so that ticks that particular box.
[doublepost=1543483131][/doublepost]If next years iPhone is USB C, would a Lightning to USB C adaptor (for those with lots of Lightning cables) be an option?

I rarely plug a cable in to my XS Max as I charge it wirelessly overnight and the battery is superb and easily gets me through the day.

I do cable it sometimes in the car when using Waze, as that hammers the battery.

Other than that, I’m not sure if I personally care what type of connection my iPhone has-at most I’ll need 1 x new cable, maybe just an adaptor if they go the USB C route.
 
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IPad pro can be charged at 29W with Lighting.
IPad Pro and iPhoneX can transfer data as USB3 rate using Lightning.

Unsure of video capability, but if it can do USB3 speed, no reason video cant be sent.

This is incorrect. Only the most recent two generations of iPad Pro's can do USB 3 as they have 16 pins in the Lightning port on the device that is mated to a USB 3 controller. There is no other device made by Apple that has those two key items, they are still limited to USB 2.
 
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