When is Apple/IOS going to catch up to Android sales?

[apolloa]

No its because most people I see own an iPhone. 99% of females I see/know definitely own an iPhone.

I expect most of the Android numbers come from poorer countries where the population cannot afford to drop a few months/years wages on a phone.

I see loads of people at work and everywhere else with Android phones, so your assessment is flawed. I also see much more people using high end Android phones then mid range to low range ones, so does that mean the majority use high end Android phones? Or is it just what I see?

It's just what we see but it is no way the bigger picture. The stats show that.

 

[jamezr]

Being overcharged is subjective. It can go both ways.

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Are u in the us? Then I would understand

How can being overcharged be subjective in this context? On one hand you brag about the insane profits Apple makes from you. Then won't acknowledge you are being overcharged. How can being overcharged go both ways? It seems pretty straightforward and one sided to me.

 

[I7guy]

And my answer to that has and always will be the same - you and I know very well that iPhones will never outsell Android smartphones collectively, but that doesn't really matter, because at the end of the day, Apple still rakes in the bulk of the industry's profits, and users benefit because apps and accessories will continue to be developed for the more lucrative platform, not the platform with the larger market share.

You can claim that profits are irrelevant, but how is market share any more relevant in this case? If you want me to stop mentioning profits, then you and everyone else should stop mentioning market share as well. Because to me, the irony of the argument is that market share is even less relevant than profits when it comes to determining the success of the respective platforms!

Of course nobody cares about market share, sales, profits. The only reason to bring them up, is when some of these negative comments are made about apple, ios and iphones. Then you remind people of the vast number of iphones sold and that not everybody feels the same way. And of course that leads to "sales is king", which is true to a certain extent. But the corollary to "sales is king" is revenue and profits matter as well.

People like what they like and some people seem to not understand the world doesn't think the same as them.

In the end this is a discussion forum with different points of view, which the various posters have been aptly making.

And about being overcharged, one persons overcharged is another persons value; it's all subjective. Price paid is an individual value judgment.

 

[Truefan31]

How can being overcharged be subjective in this context? On one hand you brag about the insane profits Apple makes from you. Then won't acknowledge you are being overcharged. How can being overcharged go both ways? It seems pretty straightforward and one sided to me.

Apple makes profit. Like any business. I'm sure some feel like they're being overcharged, so be it. I don't, or else I wouldn't continually pay for something that I have a choice in. What may be overcharged to someone else, may not be to me or others. Why is that hard to understand?

 

[gotluck]

Apple makes profit. Like any business. I'm sure some feel like they're being overcharged, so be it. I don't, or else I wouldn't continually pay for something that I have a choice in. What may be overcharged to someone else, may not be to me or others. Why is that hard to understand?

Well Apple is the most profitable company in the world I believe. That would mean apples margins are likely higher than anyone else I would wager. Whether or not an apple customer feels overcharged is another matter.

 

[jamezr]

Apple makes profit. Like any business. I'm sure some feel like they're being overcharged, so be it. I don't, or else I wouldn't continually pay for something that I have a choice in. What may be overcharged to someone else, may not be to me or others. Why is that hard to understand?

You speak from both side of your mouth....one side hails sales being the deciding factor in a products worth. then when presented with actual sales metrics. You change to profits. You have done this in multiple threads now. You throw profits out when ever sales comes up. You throw profits out whenever Apple is presented to be behind the competition in software and hardware enhancements. Then won't acknowledge the blatant overcharging to get those insane profits. Nobody minds a company making profits. That is why they are in business. But the profits Apple makes is insane. You wear it like you are proud of being overcharged. Its a phenomena that only happens to Apple fans. Apple fans tout Apple profits like it was their own somehow.
So I am glad you are happy with being overcharged....

 

[AustinIllini]

False. Market Share create other companies and also create jobs. Most likely you have a job because of Microsoft at one point or another in your career of choices. I know I have a job because of Microsoft and Not because of Apple..

Not even close to the same deal. Microsoft would still exist with 10% market share if it made more money on hardware/software.

If it were all about market share, Apple would have left the computer industry or gone to a software only model. That absolutely bombed. The current iOS model works best for Apple. Marketshare is well above the minimum relevance level.

 

[I7guy]

]You speak from both side of your mouth....one side hails sales being the deciding factor in a products worth[/B]. then when presented with actual sales metrics. You change to profits. You have done this in multiple threads now. You throw profits out when ever sales comes up. You throw profits out whenever Apple is presented to be behind the competition in software and hardware enhancements. Then won't acknowledge the blatant overcharging to get those insane profits. Nobody minds a company making profits. That is why they are in business. But the profits Apple makes is insane. You wear it like you are proud of being overcharged. Its a phenomena that only happens to Apple fans. Apple fans tout Apple profits like it was their own somehow.
So I am glad you are happy with being overcharged....

Sales are a subjective measure relating to the target demographics. Sales does translate into revenue and profits. Can't get away from that.

The point about sales and apple supposedly being behind the eight ball, is that their sales indicate they have a successful product, even though a handful of posters on this forum feel apple is lagging; which might be the case, but apples customers don't really seem to care.

As far as overcharging, value is in the eyes of the beholder. That you feel like someone is being overcharged is your value system at work, not theirs. If you really felt apples financials are "insane" why do you continue to buy their overpriced products? Can't have it both ways. Gotluck got is right.

 

[jamezr]

Sales are a subjective measure relating to the target demographics. Sales does translate into revenue and profits. Can't get away from that.

The point about sales and apple supposedly being behind the eight ball, is that their sales indicate they have a successful product, even though a handful of posters on this forum feel apple is lagging; which might be the case, but apples customers don't really seem to care.

As far as overcharging, value is in the eyes of the beholder. That you feel like someone is being overcharged is your value system at work, not theirs. If you really felt apples financials are "insane" why do you continue to buy their overpriced products? Can't have it both ways. Gotluck got is right.

Do you really read these posts?

Sales are a subjective measure relating to the target demographics. Sales does translate into revenue and profits. Can't get away from that.

What was that about stating the obvious?

The point about sales and apple supposedly being behind the eight ball, is that their sales indicate they have a successful product, even though a handful of posters on this forum feel apple is lagging; which might be the case, but apples customers don't really seem to care.

You do realize the people in this thread are Apple customers don't you? You don't speak for all Apple customers

The point about sales and apple supposedly being behind the eight ball,

No one has said that. Only the apologists reply with "Apple is doomed"

 

[I7guy]

Do you really read these posts?

What was that about stating the obvious?



You do realize the people in this thread are Apple customers don't you? You don't speak for all Apple customers


No one has said that. Only the apologists reply with "Apple is doomed"

Sometimes the obvious has to be stated. And while I don't speak for all Apple customers neither does anyone else. However in a general sense I can surmise that people in general buy their products because the products provide a service in the way the customer wants. That is not speaking for all customers but making an "obvious" observation.

And yes I read the posts, do you?

 

[C DM]

What's the point of this thread?

The original question has been shown to basically be meaningless in many posts. So is it basically all about trying to stir something up and then just try to nitpick and jump all over people's replies?

 

[Truefan31]

You speak from both side of your mouth....one side hails sales being the deciding factor in a products worth. then when presented with actual sales metrics. You change to profits. You have done this in multiple threads now. You throw profits out when ever sales comes up. You throw profits out whenever Apple is presented to be behind the competition in software and hardware enhancements. Then won't acknowledge the blatant overcharging to get those insane profits. Nobody minds a company making profits. That is why they are in business. But the profits Apple makes is insane. You wear it like you are proud of being overcharged. Its a phenomena that only happens to Apple fans. Apple fans tout Apple profits like it was their own somehow.
So I am glad you are happy with being overcharged....

I've said sales are an indicator of success. I've also said that growth in sales year after year of a product to me shows a quality product that is competing successfully. You keep throwing out iOS vs android that's fine. Point taken. I'm talking products though. Flagship phone vs flagship phone. To me if the iPhone outsells itself and every other flagship phone year after year, how is it not competing successfully?

I'm proud of what? I'm sorry you feel that way. You probably shouldn't buy Apple products if you feel like your overcharged. I wouldn't buy or use something continuously if I felt that way. But I don't. I, like most others, vote with my wallet. You should too.

 

[jamezr]

Sometimes the obvious has to be stated. And while I don't speak for all Apple customers neither does anyone else. However in a general sense I can surmise that people in general buy their products because the products provide a service in the way the customer wants. That is not speaking for all customers but making an "obvious" observation.

And yes I read the posts, do you?

LOL....you really need help keeping track of your position on things.

Apple customers here on MR have said they wanted Apple to add more features. You say they don't need to add features look at their sales. Then when presented with sales metrics. You change your tune to profits.

I mean no one but you would not want Apple to add more features. You seem to take it personally and are very quick to defend Apple and even pretend to speak for all Apple customers.

You change your opinion and stance on things seemingly when the wind changes direction.
You say:

but apples customers don't really seem to care.

Then when challenged you back off

And while I don't speak for all Apple customers neither does anyone else.

No one else here pretends to except for you....

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I've said sales are an indicator of success. I've also said that growth in sales year after year of a product to me shows a quality product that is competing successfully. You keep throwing out iOS vs android that's fine. Point taken. I'm talking products though. Flagship phone vs flagship phone. To me if the iPhone outsells itself and every other flagship phone year after year, how is it not competing successfully?

I'm proud of what? I'm sorry you feel that way. You probably shouldn't buy Apple products if you feel like your overcharged. I wouldn't buy or use something continuously if I felt that way. But I don't. I, like most others, vote with my wallet. You should too.

The iphone is the only phone running IOS and there are many companies making Android phones. The competition among those Android OEMs is pretty fierce.
So comparing Android to IOS how does that stack in the success terms you state?

 

[I7guy]

LOL....you really need help keeping track of your position on things.

Apple customers here on MR have said they wanted Apple to add more features. You say they don't need to add features look at their sales. Then when presented with sales metrics. You change your tune to profits.

I mean no one but you would not want Apple to add more features. You seem to take it personally and are very quick to defend Apple and even pretend to speak for all Apple customers.

You change your opinion and stance on things seemingly when the wind changes direction.
You say:

Then when challenged you back off



No one else here pretends to except for you....

I said "in general"; twice.

Please reread and then come back with a relevant, cogent response.

Thank you.

 

[I7guy]

I've said sales are an indicator of success. I've also said that growth in sales year after year of a product to me shows a quality product that is competing successfully. You keep throwing out iOS vs android that's fine. Point taken. I'm talking products though. Flagship phone vs flagship phone. To me if the iPhone outsells itself and every other flagship phone year after year, how is it not competing successfully?

I'm proud of what? I'm sorry you feel that way. You probably shouldn't buy Apple products if you feel like your overcharged. I wouldn't buy or use something continuously if I felt that way. But I don't. I, like most others, vote with my wallet. You should too.

Your wasting your "breath". Market share got turned/morphed into overcharging? A measurable quantity pitted against something purely subjective as if one person knew what another's value system is.

 

[jamezr]

I said "in general"; twice.

Please reread and then come back with a relevant, cogent response.

Thank you.

LOL...... general seems to be missing from the posts i quoted from you.....
Then you only said that after i posted your quote below.

The point about sales and apple supposedly being behind the eight ball, is that their sales indicate they have a successful product, even though a handful of posters on this forum feel apple is lagging; which might be the case, but apples customers don't really seem to care.

 

[Truefan31]

LOL....you really need help keeping track of your position on things.



Apple customers here on MR have said they wanted Apple to add more features. You say they don't need to add features look at their sales. Then when presented with sales metrics. You change your tune to profits.



I mean no one but you would not want Apple to add more features. You seem to take it personally and are very quick to defend Apple and even pretend to speak for all Apple customers.



You change your opinion and stance on things seemingly when the wind changes direction.

You say:



Then when challenged you back off







No one else here pretends to except for you....

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The iphone is the only phone running IOS and there are many companies making Android phones. The competition among those Android OEMs is pretty fierce.

So comparing Android to IOS how does that stack in the success terms you state?

Android and iOS are both successful platforms. I've never said either wasn't.

 

[I7guy]

What's the point of this thread?

The original question has been shown to basically be meaningless in many posts. So is it basically all about trying to stir something up and then just try to nitpick and jump all over people's replies?

There was no real premise to this thread. Just an attempt to quantify android handsets outsell iOS handsets. Nobody would debate that.

The nitpicking unfortunately is a sign of the times.

 

[adnbek]

yoy.....no they are way behind Android in sales. Read the thread.

Yoy, Apple's sales continue shattering records and keep growing year after year. That's what I meant and that's all that matters.

How many Androids devices are sold is irrelevant and I don't care to repeat myself to explain why.

 

[jamezr]

Yoy, Apple's sales continue shattering records and keep growing year after year. That's all that matters. How many Androids are sold is irrelevant.

Lets see how the sales hold up this next time around. The last part doesn't make sense. You can't really mean it doesn't matter how Android phones are sold. Because it will affect your first point. They go hand in hand. The smartphone space is reaching saturation.

 

[Savor]

Until Apple offers $50-$100 unlocked iPhones... It is Mac vs Windows (several OEM's) all over again.

Even then, maybe 50/50 at best. Android and Google setvices is also too entrenched for mass population and it might still increase the lead with Android One devices.

Actually, Android sales did decrease as it was close 85% last year and may have "peaked" already. Apple will NEVER be #1 in volume sales until they release cheaper iPhones and iPads Their focus is to be like the first TRILLION dollar company and only care for high profits than volume sales with razor-thin profits.

I actually ENJOY Apple overpricing their smartphones while Android OEM's gives us VALUE. I can sell a 2012 iPhone 5 and get myself like 2014 LG G3 Beat which I thoroughly enjoy, a Huawei Honor 4X, or a Asus Zenfone 2 with 4 GB RAM for a little more. We all benefit when selling old iPhones for newer Android devices of similar specs.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Yeah but the problem here is that customers could care less who is ranking in the money. The question is will Apple ever outsell Android Devices?

Yup the facts are that Android outsell iOS by a big market, and profits always have to get inserted into this argument when it is not relevant at all

False. Market Share create other companies and also create jobs. Most likely you have a job because of Microsoft at one point or another in your career of choices. I know I have a job because of Microsoft and Not because of Apple..

This is what I find quite ironic in threads like these. We have one set of people stating that Apple is doing ok because they make huge profits and then people like yourself say it is irrelevant while at the same time pushing forward that Android has a bigger share of the market. Surely both those statements or pieces of data are equally irrelevant to us the consumer? Do any of us really consider either of these facts when purchasing a new phone? I very much doubt it.

As I have said and countless others have said in this thread already, Apple will never have a majority market share because they only compete at the high end of the market and only make themselves available to consumers in 115 countries. Until they start making phones that retail at £20, £30 and £40 on pay as you go then they are not going to make up the gaps that boosts Androids worldwide sales. The fact Apple has not done this suggests Apple couldn't give a damn about market share. Apples competitors are the flagship brands by companies such as Samsung, LG, HTC, and Sony etc. They are not competing against that £30 Android 4.1 handset you can buy in the supermarket. Not everybody can afford to spend £600 on an iPhone and Apple are well aware of this but they approach the market very differently.

Another trump card Apple has that individual Android OEM's don't is they own their own App Store so it's not just phone sales that are bringing in the money. This might be irrelevant to us on that level but it's also a feature that is appealing when some of us buy a device. There was also a time not so long ago when app developers preferred releasing on iOS first because they got more sales despite less users on that platform in the market. Not so much the case now though but it's interesting to highlight that many of these facts mean diddly squat to us ultimately.

 

[I7guy]

Until Apple offers $50-$100 unlocked iPhones... It is Mac vs Windows (several OEM's) all over again.

Even then, maybe 50/50 at best. Android and Google setvices is also too entrenched for mass population and it might still increase the lead with Android One devices.

Actually, Android sales did decrease as it was close 85% last year and may have "peaked" already. Apple will NEVER be #1 in volume sales until they release cheaper iPhones and iPads Their focus is to be like the first TRILLION dollar company and only care for high profits than volume sales with razor-thin profits.

I actually ENJOY Apple overpricing their smartphones while Android OEM's gives us VALUE. I can sell a 2012 iPhone 5 and get myself like 2014 LG G3 Beat which I thoroughly enjoy, a Huawei Honor 4X, or a Asus Zenfone 2 with 4 GB RAM for a little more. We all benefit when selling old iPhones for newer Android devices of similar specs.

So you're actually glad Apple "overprices" their phones? Wow.

The reason Apple is going to become a trillion dollar company is because of the focus of how it approaches the market, not the focus on margins. While you're thanking Apple it's because of them there are great flagship android phones to choose from.

 

[adnbek]

Lets see how the sales hold up this next time around. The last part doesn't make sense. You can't really mean it doesn't matter how Android phones are sold. Because it will affect your first point. They go hand in hand. The smartphone space is reaching saturation.

Every year someone has to say "let's see how sales hold up next year" before yet again selling like hotcakes. Apple is doomed right?

And clearly they do not go hand in hand. If so, iPhone sales would have been declining years ago. Despite their 20% market share for the past few years, their sales keep growing regardless. Every year, they break new records in iPhone sales.

When the market reaches saturation, I think OEMs will be the ones who will have more to worry about since they'll have no choice but to compete on price and forever-thinning margins, just like in the PC industry. Meanwhile Apple has carved up a (rather large) niche for itself and will do fine, just like in the PC industry.

 

[I7guy]

Every year someone has to say "let's see how sales hold up next year" before yet again selling like hotcakes. Apple is doomed right?

And clearly they do not go hand in hand. If so, iPhone sales would have been declining years ago. Despite their 20% market share for the past few years, their sales keep growing regardless. Every year, they break new records in iPhone sales.

When the market reaches saturation, I think OEMs will be the ones who will have more to worry about since they'll have no choice but to compete on price and forever-thinning margins, just like in the PC industry. Meanwhile Apple has carved up a (rather large) niche for itself and will do fine, just like in the PC industry.

Seems like some think "what goes up must come down". Why I'm not sure. I'm wondering how many say the same of warren buffet?