When will be safer to buy the imac 27"

[finnrose]

Although I agree with you to certain degree, why does the price keep getting hiked every time someone here wants to make a point? The iMac is NOT $3000. Come on dude. The top model is $2199 U.S. The lowest $1699. You guys keep referring to the most expensive one as if it's the only one and it's NOT $3000. You cannot count BTO's, that is by choice.

And another thing, be honest with yourself, there's not a thing you've bought that was flawless. If you thought it was, believe that it wasn't. Maybe there wasn't a forum for you to help discover it.

Um, no. Why can't you count customized? It may be by choice but we all choose Mac and pay the "Apple tax". They charge more for individual parts then Dell does for the same components. So I paid $3000 but should only expect $2200 in quality. Give me a break!

My iMac with AppleCare AFTER a student discount was 2926.57 after taxes. I expect my full $3000 worth of product.

 

[R.Perez]

I purchased a core i5 imac a week ago, really happy with it so far.

I got apple care, so I am covered for 3 years no worries.

If any problems develop I am sure Apple will take care of it.

 

[IndustrialSpace]

Although I agree with you to certain degree, why does the price keep getting hiked every time someone here wants to make a point? The iMac is NOT $3000. Come on dude. The top model is $2199 U.S. The lowest $1699. You guys keep referring to the most expensive one as if it's the only one and it's NOT $3000. You cannot count BTO's, that is by choice.

And another thing, be honest with yourself, there's not a thing you've bought that was flawless. If you thought it was, believe that it wasn't. Maybe there wasn't a forum for you to help discover it.

You're wrong. With some HW upgrades and software, you hit $3000 or more with a 27" i7 2TB, for instance.

 

[R.Perez]

You're wrong. With some HW upgrades and software, you hit $3000 or more with a 27" i7 2TB, for instance.

Every OEM builder on the planet overcharges for upgrades. It is the nature of the business.

**** Dell even charges more when you add some monitors with a system, then if you were to buy the monitor separately from their own store.

Buy the base model and perform the upgrades yourself.

 

[finnrose]

Every OEM builder on the planet overcharges for upgrades. It is the nature of the business.

**** Dell even charges more when you add some monitors with a system, then if you were to buy the monitor separately from their own store.

Buy the base model and perform the upgrades yourself.

Some of us are not as tech savvy as others. While I may have been able to put in RAM on my own, there is no way I could replace the 1TB hard drive with a 2TB and there is no way I could upgrade the processor on my own. You are not just paying for the upgraded hardware but the labor to put it in as well. I'm sure if I bought all the components and then took it to someone else to put it in, it would cost the same or more (with the exception of RAM). No one ever seems to think of that.

 

[alent1234]

there is no labor to put in a faster CPU when a computer is being built. it's like Honda or Toyota charging you for upgrades. do you really think the navigation systems cost $2000 when the ones in the store are like $250?

 

[ObliviousFool]

I've thought about some of these issues extensively and would live to chime in with my 2 cents.

As far as taking the blame, I do not really think it is their fault. I think LG could be blamed, but would more than likely tarnish their relationship with LG if they speak as such.

As far as the way they are handling replacements. I think they are doing it in a way which protect mostly them, but us too (us being people who demand a perfect screen). I think a large number of people that have effected screens may not realize or care. If they issue a public statement or a recall they would cost themselves tons compared to servicing only complaints. My received Feb. 17th i7 has very very minor yellowing along bottom 20%. It is only noticeable against white background, such as when I'm perusing this forum. Images, wallpaper, and dock all look perfect. As a photographer I think I still would have noticed, but its questionable and the average person more than likely would not. Everyone who demands a perfect screen is either getting one, or a refund. No problem there.

My point is that from a business standpoint is saving a lot of money, I mean A LOT, by only servicing complaints, and not making a public statement or recall, but they are also allowing themselves to go through their probably INSANE stock pile of LG screens that were probably mass produced. The only way to minimize loss is to keep swapping out screens until they have none left to find which ones are good and which ones to file loss claims on.

At one point I thought it would be more respectable for to make a public statement or recall, but then I realized there are still plenty of fine displays out there and it would be a waste or resources to make everyone who has one freak out and send it back.

Personally I'm going to enjoy mine for a couple of weeks and see how things play themselves out. At some point, hopefully when they have newly manufactured screens, I'll send mine in, and if I cannot get a perfect one I'll take a refund and wait for a refresh of some kind.

 

[IndustrialSpace]

Some of us are not as tech savvy as others. While I may have been able to put in RAM on my own, there is no way I could replace the 1TB hard drive with a 2TB and there is no way I could upgrade the processor on my own. You are not just paying for the upgraded hardware but the labor to put it in as well. I'm sure if I bought all the components and then took it to someone else to put it in, it would cost the same or more (with the exception of RAM). No one ever seems to think of that.

RAM and HDs are not difficult to install. Almost like changing a lightbulb in terms of dificulty. It just sounds intimidating, but replacing/upgrading some hardware isnt as bad as some think. As time goes on, more people will be servicing their computers more and more.

 

[wilycoder]

RAM and HDs are not difficult to install. Almost like changing a lightbulb in terms of dificulty. It just sounds intimidating, but replacing/upgrading some hardware isnt as bad as some think. As time goes on, more people will be servicing their computers more and more.

Upgrading the iMac is a pain because of how you get to the parts.

 

[samuelluchini]

Hey guys,

I gotta a new one, now it's a week 07. After 2 imas week 53 exchanges and a refund, I decided to get a new one.

As soon as I arrived home, when I unboxed it for my surprise the top of the imac had some dents, let's go back to another exchange.

This one looks great now, I'm still seeing a minor yellow and the shadow at the bottom, but after the calibration it gets better.

We are considering it as a problem, but I don't think that Apple is going to the same way, look this is a week 07 machine, completely new build, and the issues are persistent.

I'm starting to believe that every machine has the same issues, but some people see and others no.

I went to the every Apple Store in Manhattan, and every imac in exposition with same issues , in my work has two i7 again, and after my fourth exchange, I don't believe in perfect machines anymore.


I will keep this one by now, and forget the issues

 

[HLdan]

You're wrong. With some HW upgrades and software, you hit $3000 or more with a 27" i7 2TB, for instance.

Adding software to a computer doesn't make the machine any higher worth more than the base price it cost. It's YOUR choice to create those add ons. You buy a $10 steak for dinner and decide you want to add shrimp, potatoes and a fancy dessert for a total of $40. Does that now make the steak $40 or the total dinner $40? The steak certainly isn't worth any more after the add ons.

Um, no. Why can't you count customized? It may be by choice but we all choose Mac and pay the "Apple tax". They charge more for individual parts then Dell does for the same components. So I paid $3000 but should only expect $2200 in quality. Give me a break!

My iMac with AppleCare AFTER a student discount was 2926.57 after taxes. I expect my full $3000 worth of product.

Give ME a break. You're just trying to justify the extras you added on and call the iMac a $3000 machine. It's still basically the same machine regardless if you CHOSE to add ram and increase the hard drive. You're not getting any upgraded premium screen, CPU or GPU upgrade. It's still the same $2199 Core i7 machine. You have the nerve to include Applecare to help inflate the price of the actual computer?

 

[mac88]

I purchased and received one (in December) and promptly returned it after the screen tint and excessive flickering. I chalked it up to it being a "first generation" model and am holding off to the summer. I hope all the bugs have been worked out and I will the be purchasing one then. It just stinks that so many people are having these problems.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

What were the problems?, you might ask, here goes:

-Dead Pixels on LCD (on 1 unit)
-Dead Pixels on iSight (on 3 units)
-Yellowing (on 7 units-different degrees of strength)
-Dust under glass (on 5 units)
-Tiny white speck of plastic or something embedded on the LCD itself, only visible on a white background (on 5 units!!!)

Sounds like you'll never be happy with a product. Instead of examining it with a microscope, why not just use it and enjoy it?

I find it hilarious when people complain about dust. It shows me just how unrealistic they are. Why not just pop the screen off and blow the dust away? It takes less than 30 seconds. Simple and easy.

Bryan

 

[finnrose]

Sounds like you'll never be happy with a product. Instead of examining it with a microscope, why not just use it and enjoy it?

I find it hilarious when people complain about dust. It shows me just how unrealistic they are. Why not just pop the screen off and blow the dust away? It takes less than 30 seconds. Simple and easy.

Bryan

Wouldn't popping the screen off void your warranty? Ha, no way! Not all of use can take a computer apart and put it back together again.

What some are saying is that they NEED the screen to be perfect. It is crucial to my work. Without a perfectly calibrated machine I cannot correctly edit the images people pay me to produce. A yellowed screen is useless to me. My issue is that Apple promotes this for the screen. It is suppose to be the ideal for my work. i wouldn't have bought it otherwise.

I don't get why people are saying live with it. maybe it doesn't matter to you because you just surf the web or write code for a living and nothing you do is dependent on the color of the screen. This is my work machine. Not a fun party box that I blew a crap load of money on.

Honestly, I could live with other issues. I could live with buzzing and even a hot machine, but anything that effects my work is unacceptable and will cause me to send it back. Period. That is not being nit picky. That is knowing my needs and sending something back that does not fulfill them as expected.

 

[HLdan]

Wouldn't popping the screen off void your warranty? Ha, no way! Not all of use can take a computer apart and put it back together again.

What some are saying is that they NEED the screen to be perfect. It is crucial to my work. Without a perfectly calibrated machine I cannot correctly edit the images people pay me to produce. A yellowed screen is useless to me. My issue is that Apple promotes this for the screen. It is suppose to be the ideal for my work. i wouldn't have bought it otherwise.

I don't get why people are saying live with it. maybe it doesn't matter to you because you just surf the web or write code for a living and nothing you do is dependent on the color of the screen. This is my work machine. Not a fun party box that I blew a crap load of money on.

Honestly, I could live with other issues. I could live with buzzing and even a hot machine, but anything that effects my work is unacceptable and will cause me to send it back. Period. That is not being nit picky. That is knowing my needs and sending something back that does not fulfill them as expected.

If working on photos is what you do for a living why would you choose a consumer all in one computer? It matters not how Apple "advertises" it, it's still a consumer machine with consumer screen. Most people who make a living editing photos would choose an Eizo or a professional style monitor which is about the price of the i7 iMac with a smaller screen, most people in this field would not an be interested in an iMac.

 

[finnrose]

If working on photos is what you do for a living why would you choose a consumer all in one computer? It matters not how Apple "advertises" it, it's still a consumer machine with consumer screen. Most people who make a living editing photos would choose an Eizo or a professional style monitor which is about the price of the i7 iMac with a smaller screen, most people in this field would not an be interested in an iMac.

Obviously you don't know many photographers. Every successful photographer I know uses an iMac or a MacBook Pro to edit on. It is the standard in the industry. I'm sure color is pretty important to them. The same goes for video editors and graphic designers. If you need examples let me know.

 

[kb27973]

When you have to pay thousands of dollars for a computer, it is perfectly reasonable to expect it to be perfect.

Nothing is perfect. If you look hard enough you can ALWAYS find something.

 

[HLdan]

Obviously you don't know many photographers. Every successful photographer I know uses an iMac or a MacBook Pro to edit on. It is the standard in the industry. I'm sure color is pretty important to them. The same goes for video editors and graphic designers. If you need examples let me know.

Oh I know quite a few photographers that use MACS for photo editing but many of them are using Powermac G5's and Mac Pro's with Apple cinema displays. Since when is using an iMac the standard for people that do professional photo and movie editing? It might be a choice but an iMac certainly isn't the standard. You might wanna put down the koolaid and return to reality. Yeah, go right ahead and show me your resources that prove this? And before you waste your time showing resources of MBP's, remember this thread is about the iMac.

 

[finnrose]

Oh I know quite a few photographers that use MACS for photo editing but many of them are using Powermac G5's and Mac Pro's with Apple cinema displays. Since when is using an iMac the standard for people that do professional photo and movie editing? It might be a choice but an iMac certainly isn't the standard. You might wanna put down the koolaid and return to reality. Yeah, go right ahead and show me your resources that prove this? And before you waste your time showing resources of MBP's, remember this thread is about the iMac.

All below use iMacs and there are many more but I don't have time to list them all. Make sure you remove the space before .com

Zach Arias who regularly shoots for nylon magazine:

http://www.zarias .com/checking-in-are-you-hot-for-apple/

My friends Cathy + David who are wedding photographers and graphic designers:

http://cathydavidphoto .com/blog/

Ryan Brenizer who is a famous wedding photographer and photography expert for Amazon.com:

http://www.ryanbrenizer .com/blog/

and a photo of him with his iMac:

http://www.flickr .com/photos/carpeicthus/259750648/

Derek Wood a commercial and fashion photographer:

http://www.derekwoodphotography .com/

Marta Locklear child photographer:

http://www.martalocklear .com/blog/

Wedding photographer and industry leader Becker:

http://blog.thebecker .com/index.cfm/q/imac/x/13/y/17

Children's photographer Tara Whitney:

http://tarawhitney .com/justbeblogged/?s=imac

If you don't know any of those names then you don't know my industry.

 

[HLdan]

I said point me to what proves that the iMac is the industry standard? Showing me professionals that choose to use an iMac doesn't make the iMac the industry standard for studio movie rendering and pro photo editing.

 

[ouimetnick]

I've thought about some of these issues extensively and would live to chime in with my 2 cents.

As far as taking the blame, I do not really think it is their fault. I think LG could be blamed, but would more than likely tarnish their relationship with LG if they speak as such.

As far as the way they are handling replacements. I think they are doing it in a way which protect mostly them, but us too (us being people who demand a perfect screen). I think a large number of people that have effected screens may not realize or care. If they issue a public statement or a recall they would cost themselves tons compared to servicing only complaints. My received Feb. 17th i7 has very very minor yellowing along bottom 20%. It is only noticeable against white background, such as when I'm perusing this forum. Images, wallpaper, and dock all look perfect. As a photographer I think I still would have noticed, but its questionable and the average person more than likely would not. Everyone who demands a perfect screen is either getting one, or a refund. No problem there.

My point is that from a business standpoint is saving a lot of money, I mean A LOT, by only servicing complaints, and not making a public statement or recall, but they are also allowing themselves to go through their probably INSANE stock pile of LG screens that were probably mass produced. The only way to minimize loss is to keep swapping out screens until they have none left to find which ones are good and which ones to file loss claims on.

At one point I thought it would be more respectable for to make a public statement or recall, but then I realized there are still plenty of fine displays out there and it would be a waste or resources to make everyone who has one freak out and send it back.

Personally I'm going to enjoy mine for a couple of weeks and see how things play themselves out. At some point, hopefully when they have newly manufactured screens, I'll send mine in, and if I cannot get a perfect one I'll take a refund and wait for a refresh of some kind.

It is apple's fault. Should I use LG panels in my computer, and blame it on LG because of the quality? NO & Yes! I could have chosen a different brand on panels. Because if this issue, the company that made them should be blamed? Yes and No! Apple should have stop the production of the faulty iMac, and resolve the issue first. Apple probably went with LG, because they had the cheapest panels. What bugs me is, that Apple doesn't admit to their failures. The clearly ****ed up, and don't want to say it.

 

[wilycoder]

I said point me to what proves that the iMac is the industry standard? Showing me professionals that choose to use an iMac doesn't make the iMac the industry standard for studio movie rendering and pro photo editing.

You just got pwned.

 

[bombwithrobots]

iMacs are certainly a popular choice for photographers and web designers.

I somehow doubt iMacs are used for studio movie rendering though. If you're talking Avatar, Toy Story etc...

 

[HLdan]

You just got pwned.

Um, I don't think so. The jokes on you. He gave me a handful of people that use iMacs, that doesn't prove it's an industry standard. If you have nothing useful to offer other than to try to instigate then post elsewhere.

 

[HLdan]

iMacs are certainly a popular choice for photographers and web designers.

I somehow doubt iMacs are used for studio movie rendering though. If you're talking Avatar, Toy Story etc...

Popular choice, correct. As far as "industry standard" as finnrose puts it? He's shown no proof.