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kallisti

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I don’t know if “fad” is the right word, but it does seem like there is a strong sentiment of ”FF or nothing” out there on review sites and forums. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with FF, but every format has its benefit, IMO, so it can be a pick-and-choose situation. For what I shoot, FF would be a heavy kit, and I really like the lightness of my EM5iii. It’s easy to carry with the 40-150 2.8, and I can get to 300mm (600mm eq) with the MC-20 teleconverter. Now, pair it with a prime, any my body and lens weighs less than 1lb, and I can put two or 3 more primes in my pocket as well. I’m not here to sell everyone on the format I’ve chosen, but I’ll be really sad if my format disappears because another format was pushed too hard. What I have does just what I need.

35mm certainly was the main standard back in the film days, but as a kid, I had a smaller body and smaller film format rangefinder camera that took cartridge-style rolls. So even then, we had format choices, and we really need to have them today, too. I also think that when you get into comparing to film standards, it’s worth considering that any modern digital ILC has way more dynamic range than film, and you don’t need to worry about what ISO film is in the body. :)

Hope no one hears me wrong, as I’m not trying to discount anyone’s choice—no doubt you arrived where you are at through as much painstaking deliberation as I have!
I realize your post is about 6 months old, but wanted to comment regarding FF vs cropped sensors.

One important difference relates to depth of field (DOF). DOF is determined by subject distance, aperture, and focal length. Focal length is the actual focal length of the lens (with FF 35mm sensors being the “norm” when discussing this). Lenses for crop sensor cameras usually state their focal lengths in their marketing materials in FF 35mm terms (so for example Nikon lenses have a crop factor of 1.5x and a 24mm DX lens gives the field of view (FOV) of a 36mm FF lens). However the DOF for this 24mm DX lens is what one would expect from a 24mm FF lens and NOT a 36mm FF lens. The principle is the same for any focal length.

This has both positives and negatives. If your goal is to isolate a subject by blurring the background, it is easier to do it with a FF camera compared to a crop sensor camera for a given subject distance, aperture, and FOV.

The flip side is that it is easier to create a larger DOF with a crop sensor camera for a given subject distance, aperture, and FOV. One of the advantages of phone cameras is that they have tiny sensors and they use lenses with tiny focal lengths to obtain their 35mm FF equivalent FOVs. So they have massive DOF even at open (numerically small regarding the f number) apertures. With the caveat that close subjects will always have a shallower DOF and if the subject is close enough you will blur the background to some degree even with a phone camera.

Subject isolation is easier to obtain with a FF sensor, everything else being equal. There are obviously numerous variables in play regarding FF vs crop sensors. But wanted to point out DOF as a biggie.

Getting back on topic, the mirrorless landscape has changed quite a bit since this thread was first created. The recent announcement of the Sony alpha 1 is a game changer in my estimation. It ticks all of the boxes for pretty much any type of shooter. Yes, it’s quite expensive. Have to see real world reviews. But holy moly, this thing seems to be best in class for pretty much anything.
 
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MacNut

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I think we can safely say that mirrorless has taken over. That doesn't mean you should sell your DSLR gear if it works for you. Just don't expect any new development.
 
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Hughmac

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I think we can safely say that mirrorless has taken over. That doesn't mean you should sell your DSLR gear if it works for you. Just don't expect any new development.
It won't stop me from buying another DSLR if I fancy it - I already have all the lenses so why not? ;)

Cheers :)

Hugh
 

mtbdudex

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Well 2+ years after starting this thread I am now ready to get a R5 as shown, with the 24-105 F4 lens plus control ring adapter.
With that lens as my daily / walk around, for now I’ll keep my 70-200 L mkii and my UWA 11-16 .
That will get me going into the 2022’s.
Any advice on starter stuff?
I’m getting memory cards, card reader, battery.

Sell the 70D, 50mm f 1.4, 18-135 stm , battery grip, and various filters.
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mtbdudex

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Enjoy your new gear!

Well I’m still checking here for advice before buying.
It’s in my B&H basket as shown, will buy tomorrow.
Taking photos today as “team photographer “ for sons HS ski race team showed me so many limitations of my 70D. Low light, burst buffer, etc.

Yea, that’s me with 70D plus the 70-200. I’ve got 600 photos to process
>>these are iPhone 11 images
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Unless video/photos are you line of income and you take video/photos more than 1x a week or month then an iPhone may be a better fit.

Does not make sense buying such gear and use it 1x a year. Utilization is very low.
 

Fomalhaut

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Well 2+ years after starting this thread I am now ready to get a R5 as shown, with the 24-105 F4 lens plus control ring adapter.
With that lens as my daily / walk around, for now I’ll keep my 70-200 L mkii and my UWA 11-16 .
That will get me going into the 2022’s.
Any advice on starter stuff?
I’m getting memory cards, card reader, battery.

Sell the 70D, 50mm f 1.4, 18-135 stm , battery grip, and various filters.
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Nice! I'm curious why you chose the SD cards instead of CFExpress which are actually slightly cheaper at B&H and a lot faster (and probably more robust) than UHS-II SD cards.

Is this for compatibility with a new MacBook Pro or your existing card readers?
 

mollyc

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Unless video/photos are you line of income and you take video/photos more than 1x a week or month then an iPhone may be a better fit.

Does not make sense buying such gear and use it 1x a year. Utilization is very low.
most of us here are hobbyists with thousands of dollars worth of gear we use daily. OP shoots regularly and an iphone won’t fit his needs.

to the actual topic, i shoot nikon not canon but agree either the cfexpress cards. they are so much easier to handle than sd cards.

if you are getting the adapter, why sell the 50mm? do you not use it much?
 

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most of us here are hobbyists with thousands of dollars worth of gear we use daily. OP shoots regularly and an iphone won’t fit his needs.

to the actual topic, i shoot nikon not canon but agree either the cfexpress cards. they are so much easier to handle than sd cards.

if you are getting the adapter, why sell the 50mm? do you not use it much?

Did you read my post? ;)
 

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yes i did. you made an assumption that he won’t use his gear enough because he isn’t in business.

I also mentioned "take video/photos more than 1x a week or month"

I am sharing my experience in spending more than $120,000 worth of fast L primes, fast L zooms, 1-Series bodies & 5 Series bodies.

GAS is a disease that prudent spouses attempt to moderate.
 

r.harris1

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I also mentioned "take video/photos more than 1x a week or month"

I am sharing my experience in spending more than $120,000 worth of fast L primes, fast L zooms, 1-Series bodies & 5 Series bodies.

GAS is a disease that prudent spouses attempt to moderate.
Possibly, but we're all assuming the OP is managing his finances and has the money available. He probably has more disposable cash if he's NOT a professional photographer - it's a tough business and I wouldn't want to do it for a living :D. He's spent two years thinking about it so it's not like it's a spur of the moment purchase (not that this matters). Seems like a great kit to me regardless of the frequency it gets used.
 
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Possibly, but we're all assuming the OP is managing his finances and has the money available. He probably has more disposable cash if he's NOT a professional photographer - it's a tough business and I wouldn't want to do it for a living :D. He's spent two years thinking about it so it's not like it's a spur of the moment purchase. Seems like a great kit to me regardless of the frequency it gets used.

I agree. Being a working photographer is more stress than revenue before and during COVID.

My premise is from a hobbyist with a sizeable savings and seeing what can be bought with it. As such my 1st post this day is written with that in mind.

Generally people do not want real talk or pessimism but when everyone encourages you to do "A" then a counterpoint for a balanced view would be helpful. I personally wished that someone did that for me more than a dozen years back.

I was active from 2008-2015 and did wildlife & sports photography as a hobby almost daily. Sadly these photos & videos were pilfered by others for their virtue signaling purposes.

There was good days but really not worth spending that much on it.

If I could do a redo of those years I'd have avoided wildlife & sports all together and limited my spend on the L fast zooms and 5 Series body.

If Canon had the same computational photography tech found in Android and iPhone I would be motivated to upgrade from a 5Ds R.
 

mtbdudex

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OP, me, is a photo hobbyists.. since 1984 when I took my B&W photography course in college, got a 35mm Pentax super program + in 1986(?), used that thru mid 2000’s .. yada yada .. I’m not a gear collector.
I get your point.. look at my photos in this forum since .. 2009 or 2010
Back to on topic . TIA
(I have friends who shoot for a living also … )

Plus .. I’m into astrophotography .. man this new camera will kill my 70D

My Astro threads here


 
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ericgtr12

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Well 2+ years after starting this thread I am now ready to get a R5 as shown, with the 24-105 F4 lens plus control ring adapter.
With that lens as my daily / walk around, for now I’ll keep my 70-200 L mkii and my UWA 11-16 .
That will get me going into the 2022’s.
Any advice on starter stuff?
I’m getting memory cards, card reader, battery.

Sell the 70D, 50mm f 1.4, 18-135 stm , battery grip, and various filters.
fba7d50091675793bac63e2d1a37622b.jpg

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Congratulations! I recently made the move to Sony mirrorless from a Canon 6D MKII and couldn't be happier, I'm sure this is similar technology as well, the biggest adjustment I had to make was losing the optical viewfinder but I'm used to it now. Seeing what the photo will actually look like is a huge bonus and has enabled me to use manual much more now.
 
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Fishrrman

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OP wrote:
"Well 2+ years after starting this thread I am now ready to get a R5 as shown, with the 24-105 F4 lens plus control ring adapter."

I don't know if you ordered already, but I have a suggestion that might possibly save you some $$$$.

Have you heard of Canon's "customer loyalty" program?
What that is, is you can get 10% off a new camera by providing the serial number of your previous/currently-owned Canon camera (such as the 70d).

BUT THERE'S A CATCH (read on):
I don't believe a NEW R5 is included in this program.
However, Canon-factory-refurbished R5's MIGHT be (you'd have to call and ask).

I've bought Canon-refurbished gear directly from CanonUSA, and it's essentially indistinguishable from "new". It comes with the same 1-year warranty as their new stuff.

Here's Canon's page on the refurbished R5:
(they might also have a deal on the body with the 24-105L, but I didn't look)

So... take the price of the refurb R5 -- 3,509 -- then knock an additional 10% off for customer loyalty, and you get 3,158.

That's a pretty good hunk of $$$ ... again, IF you're willing to consider a Canon-refurb unit...
 
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AlaskaMoose

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most of us here are hobbyists with thousands of dollars worth of gear we use daily. OP shoots regularly and an iphone won’t fit his needs.

to the actual topic, i shoot nikon not canon but agree either the cfexpress cards. they are so much easier to handle than sd cards.

if you are getting the adapter, why sell the 50mm? do you not use it much?
I was wondering about it, too.
 

mtbdudex

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It’s been 8 long years since “new camera day”..
truly stoked to have a FF camera .. looking forward to going out and just playing, shooting , etc
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The “box” .. of course I keep them always for service and when selling ..
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The tease .. getting the other stuff next few days, till my new memory card comes in I will use older SD card.
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