Of course it's not pointless to you. It's just pointless to this discussion.
Ask yourself this question... How does your advice about "technology" answer the original poster's question?
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Of course it's not pointless to you. It's just pointless to this discussion.
Ask yourself this question... How does your advice about "technology" answer the original poster's question?
It was never intended to answer the question. It was a comment to the following:
I merely stated, CPU wise, it's already out of date. It started out out of date. I didn't realize people would take such a simple observation so personally.
Ah, so it seems I missed the context of your original reply and quoted a later one. My bad.
My point was "Says you". Ask the engineers building those boards and I'm sure they would say something different. You're timeline doesn't even give them a chance to work out the kinks, or see it in action before switching things up. The real world usually doesn't work so fast. But hey, it works for your message board agenda.
Yeah, they are...The outdated design class, the outdated energy consumption class, sound pollution. While they may come with "newer" technology, they are outdated.
Apple has likely had their hands on Haswell-EP since the beginning of the year. Partners get engineering samples.
I would be surprised if they didn't have a Haswell-EP Mac prototype they were working out the kinks on as of a few months ago.
sound pollution?
I have heard during over half a year many and different negative comments about the nMP from many people (usually NOT owners!
) but this is something new.I am afraid if my ears might survive it
No it hasn't. It isn't coming until September.
Because it isn't previous gen technology. If Chevrolet started shipping the 2015 Chevy Spark, it wouldn't make the 2014 Corvette outdated. Haswell consumer chips ≠ Haswell Xeon. E3 ≠ E5.
This isn't some theoretical CAD class. I'm talking real world economics and product life cycles. You know, the things that actually determines if a product makes it to the shelf or not.
For all you know the engineers think the new Haswell-EP is crap. And don't believe in the marketing hype. Or they might want a nice break after busting their bums getting the nMP out.
Did it ever occur to you guys that there is probably one guy at Apple who decides if and when the nMP gets updated? And last I heard the nMP is a hit. Why rush to change a good thing when PC designers have a ways to go before catching up?
You can talk technology this and technology that, but the guy(s) in charge is/are the bean counters. And the Haswell-EP update makes no sense for quite some time.
It's really simply. The side arguing for nMP updates by end of year are really just bummed they don't own one, and this side of the coin makes them feel better about it. And obviously nMP owners don't want to see any significant update for a while.
Sure it is. It's based on Ivy Bridge. Current technology is Haswell. Just because Intel hasn't released Haswell based parts doesn't mean the current Xeons aren't based on previous generation technology.
Apple pissed off the market for Mac Pros for years and led many to switch away and question whether the Apple ecosystem is for them. I don't expect a new Mac Pro this year, not within 12 months of the last one, but to think they won't update in Q1 because the current one is selling well is silly. This is the technology market. They let it slide before because sales were poor, but if they don't update in Q1 they are not doing themselves any favour in the PR department and if they can't easily switch to Haswell-EP, DDR4 and new GPUs because of the costs then they ****ed up in building their manufacturing process because it certainly wouldn't be due to negotiation on prices. Sales will also slow considerably after December as yearly budgets are spent and people wait for the new model.
E3 are server-class Xeons, and the v3 are Haswell
Look at http://ark.intel.com/compare/75779,80907 and http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78581/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-v3-Family#@Server
The E3-12xx v3 Xeons are ECC-enabled server chips, and are based on Haswell technology. Some of them even have integrated graphics.
Haswell Xeons have been shipping since Q2 2013....
Look at http://ark.intel.com/compare/75779,80907 and http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78581/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-v3-Family#@Server
The E3-12xx v3 Xeons are ECC-enabled server chips, and are based on Haswell technology. Some of them even have integrated graphics.
Haswell Xeons have been shipping since Q2 2013....
News flash for you...but Apple has never been known for the fastest computers. Never once have I seen a server room full of Apples.
Another news flash for you...Apple, better than anyone else, knows the value of style. And if you want this style of computer/workstation, then you have NO choice. The NEW style is 1/10 the size of the OLD style and still one of the most powerful massed produced computers made today. And you think they need to update this thing Q4/Q1 2015 to stay competitive?
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sound pollution?
I have heard during over half a year many and different negative comments about the nMP from many people (usually NOT owners!
I am afraid if my ears might survive it
I'm pretty good at marketing.
. Really though, these old monster machines have always been an environment nightmare. And until the nMP hit the market things were only getting worse. --Double video cards, double power supplies, double processors.All of which they were able to decide 6 months ago. And every indication and benchmark is that Haswell-EP is a solid upgrade.
Even if they don't like Haswell-EP, there are also GPU upgrades waiting. The GPUs in the current Mac Pro are most definitely not current.
For the same reason the iPhone gets updated.
Since when did you have the inside connections with Apple to make these proclamations?
Because you just bought a new Mac Pro?
I don't own one because I'm waiting.
Me waiting is why Apple will update it.
You think Apple wants to update them just so you can justify not owning one now? Please explain to me how it makes economic sense for them to upgrade this thing so quickly? It doesn't.
Despite the radical design change, the Mac Pro is still a competitor to HP, Dell, Boxx, etc.
You want me to explain tech upgrades for you? They'll upgrade it for the same reason they upgrade every other device they make.
Why are they going to upgrade the iPhone this year?
I believe like other people already said, that all those threads (like this one) about..."when will be a NEW New Mac Pro", appearing again and again as soon as one of them died (and sometimes even 2 of them at the same time!), are a (conscious or unconscious) way by some people to justify to themselves the logics behind NOT buying one now.
Not because they do not like it or do not believe it works fine, NOT AT ALL!
it is because some people believe they are SO CLEVER that they leave the others (the stupid ones) to rush and buy a nMP while THEY will get a SUPER NEW NEW MP which will be LIGHT YEARS BETTER than the present ones, just for WAITING!
Well, I am one of those stupid buyers and (quoting Tex Avery's Droopy)
you know what? I am happy!
It's called Samsung. Plus people buy phones more often than workstations. Duh. However, there is no direct competitor to the nMP at this time if style and size are important.
Have you ever worked for a multi-national-billion dollar corporation? You sure the heck don't sound like it.
Enjoy waiting.
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it is because some people believe they are SO CLEVER that they leave the others (the stupid ones) to rush and buy a nMP while THEY will get a SUPER NEW NEW MP which will be LIGHT YEARS BETTER than the present ones, just for WAITING!
Well said. And they'll keep waiting but never understand why.
So many childish posts in this thread. I would love to know the actual average age of everyone posting, because if it's above the age of say 13, it's very very sad.
Kudos to the one or two people who were posting actually useful information and commentary without attacking other people, you guys are the one bright spot in this community. The rest of you? Wow.
Kudos to the one or two people who were posting actually useful information and commentary without attacking other people, you guys are the one bright spot in this community. The rest of you? Wow.
And that is only a fraction of Mac Pro sales.
As I already mentioned, the other workstation manufacturers are competitors, so Apple will upgrade accordingly.
1. They had the fastest workstations available in 2006, 2007 and 2008 and touted that fact.
2. Apple aren't in the server market, never really were. What's that got to do with anything?
Yes I think they need to update it to stay competitive. The old ones were selling tens of thousands of units which is why they did something radical to make it interesting. Style alone won't keep people who can earn more money from faster hardware to stay with Apple. Those with CPU heavy workloads have already been shown Apple aren't going to cater for them. The audience for the current Mac Pro is smaller than it was in years gone by, Apple need to make sure that audience is catered to and as I said, style alone is not going to do that - especially on hardware with limited expandability and upgradability based on platforms that are regularly updated and well road-mapped.
Dude. Sure there are raw power competitors. I get that. We all get that. My 8 yr old laptop is a competitor.
But the nMP has features and capabilities that other competitors don't. They're the only ones offering it. So, NO there really isn't any competitors for this brand new CAN. Geez. The whole dam Mac concept is we're not like normal PCs. Funny how the faithful quickly forget that when it comes to not being able to afford a nMP.
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And the Mac Pro has HP and Dell on it's back.
Haswell-EP is going to have DDR4 and a new architecture, along with a new vector instruction set that's already hit the Macbook Pro. The new Mac Pro will also bring new GPUs that are sorely needed with the Mac Pro's focus on GPUs (and that come with other workstations.)
Haswell-EP isn't a minor upgrade that a lot of pros will shrug off when it hits on other manufacturers.
The Macbook Pro has Haswell right now and has new Haswell feature sets including the new instructions, and a lot of people would like to see the Mac Pro catch up with the Macbook Pro's architecture. Especially developers of pro apps who want to deliver the same AVX2 optimizations they can do on the Macbook Pro to the Mac Pro, which they can't do right now with the Mac Pro on Sandy Bridge.
There are a lot of reasons that Apple should be wanting to get this upgrade in people's hands sooner than later. The shape of the Mac Pro is nice, but if they don't do the upgrade, they'll fall behind in a lot of performance aspects (doubly so in GPUs) and shake pro confidence some more. Given that from what I've heard they would like to begin earning the confidence of pros back, they're probably going to want to prove not only can they release a new Mac Pro, but that they can do timely upgrades as well.
I would still say, more than the CPUs, the GPU performance is going to become inadequate this year for a lot of higher end uses. It already started from kind of a shaky position with the 7970 based GPUs, and it will get worse. The forum is already full of complaints from heavy GPU workflow based users that they'd like to get more GPU horsepower.
No, it's not.
Here, let me simplify it for you. The primary targets for the Mac Pro are power users. The same users who would comparison shop with Dell, HP, Boxx, etc.. You're presenting the Mac Pro as some product out on an island with no competition, where Apple can afford to sit idly by. But it isn't. Sure, it has some attributes different than the others, but if those others start upgrading hardware while Apple stands pat, then they lose more potential sales. You seem to think that the small footprint of the Mac Pro is a primary driving force behind sales. I doubt that.
I know my chit partner. I live my life so I don't have to complain on a message board about a product I don't own.
Let me explain something to you. It just got RELEASED. Forget power users, forget technology, do you understand that from an economic standpoint? Do you known anything about product life cycles? It just got released!
Your logic is busted. Imagine all those power users who did buy the nMP then. Think how happy they'll be if Apple does a radical power increase in the same year they introduced it.
How long has Thunderbolt been around? Why so long?- Economics!