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iPad Where are we heading with the Ipad "Pro" replacing the laptop?
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It is actually a kind of cheapo 28” 4K panel from a Swedish importer. Link Nothing special.
Sure, but I think you're assuming tablet = iPad, or something that works like it, specifically Android.
Just look at the Microsoft Surface and similar for a counterexample.
Are laptops moving in the direction of 2-in-1s and convertibles? Sure. Are laptops moving in the direction of iOS. I don't think so and I think Apple feels this as well.
The iPad Pro is just a big phone, nothing more than that. Calling it a laptop replacement is like calling an iPhone a laptop replacement.
I don't see a future for tablets considering that smartphones do pretty much everything iPad's can do. Hook up a bluetooth keyboard and you can even type properly on it.
And laptops might actually be the ones replacing Tablets. Because laptops come with touch screen nowadays. (Apple still did not add touch screen to their macbook pro’s though)
I don't see a future for tablets considering that smartphones do pretty much everything iPad's can do. Hook up a bluetooth keyboard and you can even type properly on it.
And laptops might actually be the ones replacing Tablets. Because laptops come with touch screen nowadays. (Apple still did not add touch screen to their macbook pro’s though)
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Despite the shared core operating system and thus the shared capabilities the fact that the iPad has a larger display is precisely why many people own one. Due to my preference for more screen real estate, the fact that anything that I want to do on a portable device can be done on a smartphone will never negate my preference for a tablet. You and many others clearly can enjoy your smartphones without ever needing a tablet, that’s fantastic, but there will always be those who need larger devices despite the overlap in capabilities otherwise.
I happen to think that there will always be a market for all 3 device types.
There is a market for all 3 devices. That is also what I believe in.
Just like how I don’t believe how AR will replace laptops, phones and tablets. It will just be something alongside the existing products.
Agreed to a certain extent, and I can argue that smartphones even are swallowing the cheap ($300 or less) laptop market. I mean nowadays, you can get a very good smartphone experience for $200, while you'll get a crappy laptop experience for the same amount of money (no cellular, poor screen, slow hard drive, etc).
In fact, this is what's happening in emerging markets. Majority of the people actually skipped the PC/laptop phase and went straight to smartphones as their first computing device.
Now, back to Apple and iPads. I believe Apple knows this. They know that there is a large amount of young population getting to know "computing" from mobile first. That means they are all accustomed to the concept of app store, web/mobile apps, the cloud, touch UI, etc. Once these segment become working class.more affluent, they have aspiration for something more luxurious/instilling status. That's where Apple comes in by dangling some iPad blings. In the meantime, iPad OS will certainly evolve further into a more standalone OS.
Smartphones have replaced laptops for many people that used them as communication devices. For instance my (80 year old) mother used to use a laptop to go online, now she does everything on her smartphone, and more rarely on her 8in tablet...
For most people tablets are not replacing laptops entirely, but they replace many of the things they did on laptops, including work... I have several businesses and I teach at university. For one of my businesses I only use ipads. For the others, including teaching at University, I need windows laptops as I need some software that only works on windows....
But even then I use ipads too. For instance I use an ipad as a second display with duet when I teach.
Some people have completely replaced laptops for work, but they are in the minority for now...
I have to say I think in some work sectors there is a case that the iPad could replace a laptop; personally I've always seen is as a companion device even though I could probably do about 90% of my professional job using an iPad Pro (I work in IT - still need Windows for some things!) - and my hobby/spare time use is mainly photography and graphics which if I'm honest I think the iPad is almost the perfect device for now with Procreate and Affinity Photo / Designer.
I was a long time user of the iPad Pro 12.9 (2nd and 3rd gen) and thought it was great before "iPad OS"; I'm very tempted to try one again with the Magic Keyboard; especially now that there is true Mouse/Keyboard support but I know it can't fully replace my work laptop for now.
I was a long time user of the iPad Pro 12.9 (2nd and 3rd gen) and thought it was great before "iPad OS"; I'm very tempted to try one again with the Magic Keyboard; especially now that there is true Mouse/Keyboard support but I know it can't fully replace my work laptop for now.
No - the historical fact is that tablet destroyed the netbook segment of laptops - grew exponentially and ate it.
Now we go to a new phase where high end, high spec tablets will be eating up more of the market of bigger laptops. That’s what’s going on with IPad Pro and surface. But the driver of this growth is focus on touch interface, voice control for input and a different type of CPU than has been used laptops.
When glasses and VR display reach a tipping point they will obliterate the concept of a laptop with fixed keyboard and fixed screen. Getting the volume up and price and size down on these displays is the hump they need to get over - Convenience and integration into consumers lives always trumps most other factors
One thing that I suspect may start to influence the growth of particular devices is Covid-19; we're seeing a massive move to working from home and a BYOD model with Microsoft InTune (and other solutions); thats likely to see a lot of people who would perhaps have only had an iPad or Android device at home re-thinking what device they want to use; I know a lot of people in our organisation are buying "proper" laptops as a replacement for tablet/iPad devices because of that.
If a company expects an employee to sit at home and work, they will have to assign the employee a device to use, whether that is a laptop or desktop. I work in an office too and all that happened here is that people took their laptops home and continue to work. Nobody went and bought a new laptop out of their own money - why on earth would you?
Very few people in this world by the way, can afford to subsidise their employer by forking out money from their own pocket to buy a device for work. That's not a market.
For home use, the tablets is where it at for consumers. And they will continue to take over.
Smartphones destroyed the netbook market much, much more than tablets...
As for high end laptops, those mainly used by professionals, tablets will replace (some of) them only if they become more similar to them, which is what is happening to some extent, but only recently... and the process is still ongoing..
As for VR, we will see... Reality may be less exciting, at least over the next couple of years, that what you expect....
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I don't know in the US, but here in Europe laptops have seen a spike in sales... contrary to tablets...
First, not all companies provide laptops, some only use desktops.
Second, many families here didn't have a laptop at home, or only one for the whole family, and had to buy one to allow children to attend classes via zoom... And zoom on tablets is not a great experience (limited app compared to a desktop, screen too small for larger classes and non-tech people don't even know how to connect it to a monitor, let alone that for some it's not even possible...). And what did people mainly buy? Cheap laptops....
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Where on earth are you getting all this info from?!
‘Many people here don’t have a laptop..?’ Here, like on the whole continent? Where is the proof of all of this?
Fair enough, make your points or whatever, but you can’t just make things up based on your own tiny circle of friends.
You say you "were" a long time user of the iPad Pro 12.9 (two generations). Curious as to why you stopped.
You should read more news...
Some links...
Sales of computer monitors and laptops are surging as we all work from home, NPD says
Sales of monitors doubled in the first two weeks of March, NPD Group said, as more people started working from home.
Store Shelves Stripped of Laptops as Coronavirus Increases Working From Home
The unprecedented surge in people working from home because of the new coronavirus pandemic has caused a spike in demand for laptops and computer notebooks, leaving shelves at some retailers stripped of stock.
www.wsj.com
Coronavirus creates PC sales spike in Western Europe
New perspective on remote working could prompt post-pandemic spending spree, report
www.channelpro.co.uk
COVID-19 Creates Soaring Demand for PCs, But the Surge Isn't Expected to Last
More people working from home means increased demand for new laptops. But PC vendors are struggling to capitalize on that demand due to coronavirus-related supply chain constraints.
Laptops in demand with WFH, online classes
Computer manufacturers say since many shops in non-hotspot areas started functioning earlier this month, sales have surged compared with January-February.
Aside the fact that the first two articles are from the US, and the last is from India, I didn’t dispute your claim of more PC’s sold.
I disputed your claim that many people [in Europe] don’t have a laptop.
Just saying when you make claims, try not to mix opinion with fact.
I disputed your claim that many people [in Europe] don’t have a laptop.
Just saying when you make claims, try not to mix opinion with fact.
Again news, especially on TV, explaining the surge in laptops purchases with the fact that in many families there were only one pc at home or none at all, especially families with small children, as people had PCs at work but didn't feel the need to have a pc as everyone had smartphones, including children... Some of them had old laptops that weren't good enough for Zoom or similar programs. So not it's not a opinion, and it was not an isolated news report. And "many" doesn't mean "most"... And by the way, apparently, as you can see the need for more laptops didn't just affect European countries but also other countries, and people didn't buy more tablets, they bought more laptops for their remote work and school needs...
Nobody got value for netbooks. They bought one then threw it away with minimal use. Nobody got value from Chromebooks either, except for one narrow use case, education.
You haven't looked at the PC market. The low-end, home PC market is not dominated by netbooks or tablets, but by 2-in-1s.
I just went to Lenovo's home webpage. 4 of 5 models on the front page are 2-in-1s (Yoga). Dell's list of home laptops: 50% are 2-in-1s.
Which all can happen with 2-in-1/convertibles running Windows 10, which is the point you're missing.
Again, mobile OS (iOS) and tablets do not mean the same thing. When the iPad came out, computers still used mechanical hard drives and took minutes to boot. A mobile OS did make sense. With advancing technology, there's little reason to use a mobile OS on a tablet, outside specific line-of-business applications, despite what Apple wants you to still believe.
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It’s close, but not there yet.
The 11 with Magic Keyboard is a fantastic device. Maybe my favorite computer ever. The versatility of the “2-in-1” form factor is fantastic. One minute its a laptop, the next, it’s a drawing tablet, and many more. It’s fast and snappy.
But, for my usage, I can’t see this as being more than a “fun” computer. Which I’m ok with, I have a big boy work computer, but it’s an expensive fun computer. It’s versatility and portability is really its only strength. The browsing experience, the typing experience, the spreadsheet experience, it’s all only like 90% there.
The 11 with Magic Keyboard is a fantastic device. Maybe my favorite computer ever. The versatility of the “2-in-1” form factor is fantastic. One minute its a laptop, the next, it’s a drawing tablet, and many more. It’s fast and snappy.
But, for my usage, I can’t see this as being more than a “fun” computer. Which I’m ok with, I have a big boy work computer, but it’s an expensive fun computer. It’s versatility and portability is really its only strength. The browsing experience, the typing experience, the spreadsheet experience, it’s all only like 90% there.
Speaking as someone who manages an IT department (in the UK) thats not the case at all; some of our staff have work provided laptops but for many of the others who would normally be in the office its been VDI that's provided for staff and they can use their own device; none of them are currently classed as "essential"; many have went and bought laptops; partly so they can use VDI and also for things like their kid's school work / e-learning; again speaking for the setup in the UK; many of the online learning and classroom systems aren't really suitable on a tablet.
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I got a little fed up with some of the limitations and functionality not being quite what I hoped it would develop into; although the new updates to iPadOS have addressed some of that and the Magic keyboard looks good; ultimately in the IT environment I support for my clients I tend to need access to Windows Desktop apps; and I can't always rely on RDP/VM's for that. I do miss using the iPP for Photo Editing though; but ultimately I pay for my own kit; the iPad, Magic Keyboard and Pencil is almost £2000 for the 12.9 512GB version, I can't justify that and a Windows device.