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Speaking as someone who manages an IT department (in the UK) thats not the case at all; some of our staff have work provided laptops but for many of the others who would normally be in the office its been VDI that's provided for staff and they can use their own device; none of them are currently classed as "essential"; many have went and bought laptops; partly so they can use VDI and also for things like their kid's school work / e-learning; again speaking for the setup in the UK; many of the online learning and classroom systems aren't really suitable on a tablet.
Same for our workplace. We use desktops in the office. We had a few work-provided laptops (less than 10) and employees were allowed to use those but there just wasn't enough laptops for everyone. Majority who were allowed to telecommute used their personal computers and several bought new laptops so they can work from home.

If it's between losing your job or spending money on a new PC (on the Windows side, $500 gets you a halfway decent laptop), I expect most people would just buy the PC.
 
I have tried every other solution (Teamviewer, Splashtop, RealVNC, Anydestk, Chrome Remote, Parallel Access, Microsoft RD) and still use some of them, but Jump is clearly ahead, especially on ipad. It has the best audio support of any RD app. This way I can use my airpods with any laptop or desktop while remaining connected to my ipad...
Screens from Edovia has full mouse/trackpad support but I don’t know about external screen support since I don’t have a USB-C equipped monitor. Screens also doesn’t have audio support but I thought Jump Desktop audio support required extra third-party software on a Mac. Not great.

I’ve also had a few weird bugs with the clipboard on a remote Mac with Jump Desktop that I’ve never seen with Screens.
 
Now we go to a new phase where high end, high spec tablets will be eating up more of the market of bigger laptops. That’s what’s going on with IPad Pro and surface. But the driver of this growth is focus on touch interface, voice control for input and a different type of CPU than has been used laptops.
I don't see a lot of people buying ARM-based tablets aside from iPads.

2-in-1s are popular but most I see for sale are just running low-power x86 CPUs (ergo has support for tons of legacy software).
 
Same for our workplace. We use desktops in the office. We had a few work-provided laptops (less than 10) and employees were allowed to use those but there just wasn't enough laptops for everyone. Majority who were allowed to telecommute used their personal computers and several bought new laptops so they can work from home.

If it's between losing your job or spending money on a new PC (on the Windows side, $500 gets you a halfway decent laptop), I expect most people would just buy the PC.

If anyone is desperate enough to subsidise their employer, that must be a US thing and a very small set of people. Whatever the case, it was bought for work purposes.
 
Screens from Edovia has full mouse/trackpad support but I don’t know about external screen support since I don’t have a USB-C equipped monitor. Screens also doesn’t have audio support but I thought Jump Desktop audio support required extra third-party software on a Mac. Not great.

I’ve also had a few weird bugs with the clipboard on a remote Mac with Jump Desktop that I’ve never seen with Screens.
I don't use Screens since I rarely connect to my mac (I rather connect from my mac). I mainly remote into windows. Having said date audio support works great when I connect from both ipad and mac into windows, with no extra software needed. The only issue I have had is it sometimes failing to write some special characters, but even that was partially or totally corrected recently.
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Thanks. Does it fit the desktop to the size and resolution of the iPad screen?
You can set the resolution you want. You can choose to either have the pc resolution, the ipad resolution (but mind you, it will be the non-retina one of the first 3 ipads), or a custom resolution closer to your ipad native resolution. If you use a resolution that your pc cannot support it may make it crash (it has happened to me...)
 
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I just got a magic keyboard for my iPad Pro and I really love it. Wonderful typing experience. But I can’t see the iPad ever replacing my laptop. Mostly because I use Windows laptops for work and am so accustomed to those keyboards and keyboard shortcuts.
 
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If anyone is desperate enough to subsidise their employer, that must be a US thing and a very small set of people. Whatever the case, it was bought for work purposes.
A Google search shows unemployment in the US is at 14 million right now.

Those that are still employed and can telework likely make enough money or can use part of their $1200 stimulus to subsidize the cost of a PC in order to keep receiving a paycheck and health insurance. Besides, most likely already have PCs to begin with anyway. In our office, I think we only had 3-5 that had to buy new laptops.
 
If a company expects an employee to sit at home and work, they will have to assign the employee a device to use, whether that is a laptop or desktop. I work in an office too and all that happened here is that people took their laptops home and continue to work. Nobody went and bought a new laptop out of their own money - why on earth would you?

Very few people in this world by the way, can afford to subsidise their employer by forking out money from their own pocket to buy a device for work. That's not a market.

For home use, the tablets is where it at for consumers. And they will continue to take over.
I suspect what is being referred to here is a bring your own device policy, where employees get an allowance for a machine they want to use and they thus get to choose their device. The company I am the Director of Finance for works this way. When you are offered a position, you are introduced to the corporate tech stack and software requirements, and are then allowed to choose a device within a given budget, and it is up to the employee to ensure the device they choose will be fit for purpose.

In this scenario, the BYOD budget means people are willing to spend more since it is the company’s money to get what they really want to be using. Let’s put it this way - I am the only one at the company so far that has chosen an iPad Pro over a MacBook or 13/15” Dell XPS/Lenovo P or X series laptop, and I think at the time they only went with it because they really wanted me for the position. Interestingly enough we have zero people using Surface devices of any kind. We’re the kind of environment where Arch Linux with just a tiling WM is just as likely a daily driver as macOS or Windows.

All those doubts are gone now after I’ve been here for a year - but I still get people who come by my work space and see my desktop setup for iPad Pro and marvel at how I can do all my work using only that 11” device. So I totally get the point of the poster.

For one, most people don‘t want to stick out of the crowd. Secondly, they don’t want to be in a situation where their job performance could be negatively influenced by their device choice, so they will play it more conservatively. The trust isn’t there yet for iPad, or any other tablet devices out there, or even most 2-in-1 devices. On the other hand, my previous employer was a Microsoft only environment, and Surface Pros or Surface laptops were the only allowed choices there. Surface Pros were dominant actually, but used exclusively as laptops.

I’m a big fan of iPad Pro, obviously, but also realize that my situation is currently a rare one, being able to go actually go iPad only professionally. I love the idea of having this awesomely flexible device and being able to use it to just hot-desk in to a monitor, keyboard, and trackpad, and get a good computing experience.

I mean, in my case, I don’t even think about it. The iPadOS UX just disappears naturally into the background, and I just do work. It obviously wasn’t like that in the beginning, but now Split screen and Slide Over are integral and automatic parts of my workflow, and I spend most of my time in Safari & Firefox (Web & Cloud based ERP and Productivity software), Files, PDF Expert, and Google Drive.

Lots of double edged sword likes and dislikes about the workflows of some things, but also lots that is just simpler and faster to do on the iPad as well as things that are more tedious.

But I do see the lines blurring even more with iPad Pro and iPadOS. The desktop browsing, cursor and external monitor support is going to continue to get better and better, more functionality and better file management work flows as Files develops with time as well, more of Apple’s core pro apps will cross the OS barrier, like xCode, FCPX & LPX, etc....so how far Apple can take the laptop replacement will depend more on their product line strategy than anything else.

That’s why I think they are doing what they are doing with ARM to the Mac. They are going to position the ARM Mac as a level above the iPad Pro, which is going to take the place of the retired 12” Macbook and Macbook Air, while the new ARM Mac will most likely be a 14-16” Macbook Pro device, that or an iMac-esque desktop. iPad Pro was going to replace laptops, not desktops, remember? 😉
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I don't use Screens since I rarely connect to my mac (I rather connect from my mac). I mainly remote into windows. Having said date audio support works great when I connect from both ipad and mac into windows, with no extra software needed. The only issue I have had is it sometimes failing to write some special characters, but even that was partially or totally corrected recently.
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You can set the resolution you want. You can choose to either have the pc resolution, the ipad resolution (but mind you, it will be the non-retina one of the first 3 ipads), or a custom resolution closer to your ipad native resolution. If you use a resolution that your pc cannot support it may make it crash (it has happened to me...)
Yeah, it usually greys out the resolutions that aren’t supported, or won’t let your selection “stick” on the menu, it will jump over that one when you let go of the slider. The only thing about it is if you have the 11” like me, no standard video controller supports the aspect ratio so you always have to go with a 4:3 resolution. This is a host machine problem though, so can’t be remedied by the app, unfortunately.
 
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I suspect what is being referred to here is a bring your own device policy, where employees get an allowance for a machine they want to use and they thus get to choose their device. The company I am the Director of Finance for works this way. When you are offered a position, you are introduced to the corporate tech stack and software requirements, and are then allowed to choose a device within a given budget, and it is up to the employee to ensure the device they choose will be fit for purpose.
Nope, not at all. BYOD isn't an option for my workplace. We're assigned Windows desktops and it's strictly Windows environment here.

The telecommute thing caught us unexpectedly. For those that were allowed to telework, the employees' personal computers are just used to RDP to their work desktops.
 
My MacBook Pro crapped out and to replace it I bought an iPad. On the 10th day I returned it and started a repair for the MacBook.

It's not even close in any way shape or form, unless literally all you do is media consumption.
 
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i use my MacBook mainly as a desktop connected to an external monitor. But I can go for days without being at my desk these days because of my iPhone.

I use my iPad 12.9 pro 2nd gen with Smart Keyboard for more rough stuff. For example today I used it to watch how to assemble garage shelving while in my garage (which was a mess and no place for a MacBook). What I mean by this is the iPad feels more durable and expendable, like I’m less likely to break it and would rather take it places rather than risk my MacBook, including vacations.

but really the majority of time i’m just on my iPhone 8 Plus most of the time.

and sadly my iPad mini 5, even though it’s my latest device, gets the least use...

to be honest. I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately. And I’d really like to eventually just go back to 1 phone and 1 MacBook.

But the MacBook has to have the same battery life as the iPad does, and also the same build quality, and not the constant hardware issues plaguing MacBooks/Macs the past several years. So here’s me looking forward to arm, but I also need parallels desktop to work, so we’ll see how that goes.

Also a reason why I’d like a MacBook but with the best qualities of the iPad (battery life, durability). Is because even though the iPad is meant to be a consuming device, it still fails at things I would never have a problem with MacOS and their ram/virtual disk management for consuming. Mainly opening multiple tabs, surfing the web, going back to the YouTube app and losing my video, not being able to listen to an audio source while focusing on doing other things.

I can’t explain it very well, but for a device which is primarily touted stronger for consumption, I actually have to slow down my pace compared to on a MacBook/PC.
 
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I use my iPad personally more than any other device. But that's because it's streaming something I'm watching or I'm reading something. In other words, it's mostly for consuming content.

For work? While I would LOVE to use the iPad Pro and pencil to draw with, otherwise any else I do would depend upon on me squeezing into the apps which Apple decides to let me have along with the limitations they choose to put on those. I mean, I can't run adblocker on it, and if i want to go to a portal or a forum, inevitably most places on the web prefer me to use their app. Better for some things. But replacing the versatility of a computer for doing work with multitasking? No.

So some people, maybe even a significant amount of people, will be able to "work" with a tablet, but I don't see it replacing what people use laptops for beyond adoption already. Apple's closed box approach is not making me feel like they want me to buy a Macbook as opposed to a PC, if they're going to go this route of limiting how I use it.
 
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Yeah, it usually greys out the resolutions that aren’t supported, or won’t let your selection “stick” on the menu, it will jump over that one when you let go of the slider. The only thing about it is if you have the 11” like me, no standard video controller supports the aspect ratio so you always have to go with a 4:3 resolution. This is a host machine problem though, so can’t be remedied by the app, unfortunately.
Again, on a Mac I use a third party control panel called SwitchResX that lets me set scaling on the Mac screen to match the iPad Pro screen. I set it at 1194x770 for the iPad Pro 11” with Screens (which has a keyboard touch bar at the bottom of the screen that takes up some of the screen real estate) and 1366x960 for the 12.9” iPP. For Jump Desktop, the resolutions are slightly better at 1194x834 for the 11”. I haven’t played around with Jump Desktop for the 12.9” iPP so I don’t know that ideal resolution.

Edit: The ideal resolution for the 12.9” iPad Pro with Jump Desktop is 1366x1024.
 
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Again, on a Mac I use a third party control panel called SwitchResX that lets me set scaling on the Mac screen to match the iPad Pro screen. I set it at 1194x770 for the iPad Pro 11” with Screens (which has a keyboard touch bar at the bottom of the screen that takes up some of the screen real estate) and 1366x960 for the 12.9” iPP. For Jump Desktop, the resolutions are slightly better at 1194x834 for the 11”. I haven’t played around with Jump Desktop for the 12.9” iPP so I don’t know that ideal resolution.

Edit: The ideal resolution for the 12.9” iPad Pro with Jump Desktop is 1366x1024.
Really? I have paid for SwitchResX and can’t get my Mac mini to do that. I’ll have to have another go. On the occasions that I use Jump Desktop, though, I am usually connected to an external monitor. Thanks for the tip!
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For work? While I would LOVE to use the iPad Pro and pencil to draw with, otherwise any else I do would depend upon on me squeezing into the apps which Apple decides to let me have along with the limitations they choose to put on those. I mean, I can't run adblocker on it, and if i want to go to a portal or a forum, inevitably most places on the web prefer me to use their app. Better for some things. But replacing the versatility of a computer for doing work with multitasking? No.

So some people, maybe even a significant amount of people, will be able to "work" with a tablet, but I don't see it replacing what people use laptops for beyond adoption already. Apple's closed box approach is not making me feel like they want me to buy a Macbook as opposed to a PC, if they're going to go this route of limiting how I use it.
I am running adblocker on mine. In Safari I am only referred to apps by Youtube and Google Docs/Sheets/Slides. I ignore both and contiue on with my business of work. I run Pipifier on Desktop Safari YouTube to run them picture in picture and hide the video so I can listen to music while I spreadsheet away for hours at a time. Slack, Mail, Files, Calendar, etc. in my Slide Over stack and different Safari/Firefox tabs and PDF expert and a few other apps jump into Split View, and on occasion a shorter RDP session with Jump Desktop.

I get it that it doesn’t work for everyone - but the usage you are describing in this particular post is super easy
 
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I’ve said it many times before, what we each do with our devices can say just as much about the capabilities of the device as it does our individual needs. In a way I could support the idea that my iPad Pro replaced my MacBook Pro but that would only be part of the picture. Most of the time I used the MacBook for browsing and photo editing but since the purchase of the iPad my photography declined (unrelated) and I started doing most of my browsing on the iPad. Still...I WORK several hours a day on my mobile workstation, a Windows machine, with a dual 4k monitor setup with a ton of RAM to support my multitasking. This use case just won’t be possible on an iPad anytime soon if ever (and by that I mean the CAD software I use will never be offered on a mobile OS).
 
I am running adblocker on mine. In Safari I am only referred to apps by Youtube and Google Docs/Sheets/Slides. I ignore both and contiue on with my business of work. I run Pipifier on Desktop Safari YouTube to run them picture in picture and hide the video so I can listen to music while I spreadsheet away for hours at a time. Slack, Mail, Files, Calendar, etc. in my Slide Over stack and different Safari/Firefox tabs and PDF expert and a few other apps jump into Split View, and on occasion a shorter RDP session with Jump Desktop.

I get it that it doesn’t work for everyone - but the usage you are describing in this particular post is super easy

Well, I cannot run adblocker, or really any extensions or add-ons on Chrome or Firefox on my iPad. It's not for a lack of technical ability on my part, it's just a matter of how much will I bother to hack it out while I have other things to do. Oh, I could find a way to do things. I managed to adjust to using split view on iPadOS. It's pretty neat. Full multi-tasking is not like on a desktop OS.

The complaints I get most from non-technical users is probably not that they cannot handle something complicated. It's that once they learn a way of doing something, they get incredibly frustrated when things change, or things they used to be able to do are taken away from them.

I like the iPad for what it is. And I realize my real resentment of the iPad as a desktop replacement is for Stallman-esque, backroom IT-ugnaught resentments that 95% of Hoi Polloi don't think about. I don't like that Apple has such control over devices that there is a level where I am in fact not really purchasing a device from them, so much as leasing a device which allows me to rent space in their sandbox, and run what they allow me to run.

A lot of traditional Mac users who do either individual or small-team work, particularly creatives in graphics, layout, coding, video, or music, can do some things with the iPad, and it's neat. But the workflow of someone who does real visual work, with 50 layers in their Photoshop work, (this really happens) or 50 tracks in FinalCut or Logic (ibid), are not who the iPad is for.

Where the iPad could compete very well as an Office replacement, at least an app-based connection to an office environment, let us say, they're one player among many.

A lot of workplaces nowadays actually are making use of leased VMWare instances of Windows desktops, for instance. I have a client whose main cubicle farms are people working on Wyse devices doing just that, and I worked with a non-profit that was 100% VMware, with people either having Wyse terminals at their desks or minimal HP Laptops.

The bottom line is people are doing typical office work, two screens, several applications, going back and forth between dozens of tabs and applications they have open, maybe listening to spotify, etc. So I WOULD absolutely recommend using an iPad as, say, a desktop host running your VMWare or Citrix app as a host to your desktop, while also giving you access to the things that the iPad does better at to do outside of the VM. (Such as Zoom or Slack, etc)…

I WOULD recommend that if it were as good as Wyse device or a cheapo mini-PC. But they're not. Their ability to connect to two monitors at native resolution, which a Wyse can do, is lacking. And there may be workarounds with dongle-mania, but it shouldn't have to be.
 
Thanks for the tip regarding Shadow for windows gaming. I’ve just bought an iPad Pro 11” and don’t have a windows machine, haven’t for a while. I used to have a windows gaming laptop but sold it and gave up playing my content from Steam. So Shadow is going to let me back into windows gaming without the need for expensive kit, which is absolutely awesome.

Im signed up for Shadow, £14.99 a month but I got a £5 discount by googling for a discount code. So first month £10, expected to launch here in October. I’m excited.
 
Really? I have paid for SwitchResX and can’t get my Mac mini to do that. I’ll have to have another go. On the occasions that I use Jump Desktop, though, I am usually connected to an external monitor. Thanks for the tip!
You have to temporarily turn off System Integrity Protection in Mojave and Catalina when you set it up. There are instructions here:How to turn System Integrity Protection Off.

Once you have set up SwitchResX with the scaling options you need, you can reverse the process to enable SIP and the changes are preserved.

For most resolution settings, what you want to use is scaling. Go to your monitor in the SwitchResX settings. Choose Custom Resolutions tab. Hit the + button. Choose Scaled Resolution in the drop down menu. Add your resolution in the Scale to: xxxx pixels and xxxx lines boxes. Ok button and after finishing any additional needed resolutions, Save and then reboot if SwitchResX requires it.
 
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the iPad cannot replace my work laptop. No way.

But my personal laptop? It's definitely close, and I greatly prefer the form factor. My MBP has sat in a drawer since I got the iPad with MK.
 
the iPad cannot replace my work laptop. No way.

But my personal laptop? It's definitely close, and I greatly prefer the form factor. My MBP has sat in a drawer since I got the iPad with MK.

so i guess your work laptop is a windows device?
 
Okay, so I've changed my view since my previous post. Before I said I could give up my iPads and go back to a Macbook only if it felt as durable and had long battery life as the iPad Pro.

But after reading youtube comment about how someone only uses their chromebook for remote desktop (because it has a brilliant battery life), I decided to try remote desktoping via my iPad Pro 12.9. After not getting great results with AnyDesk or Screens, and encountering bugs, lag, black borders, connection issues, setup issues, and non automatic resolution changes, I was going to give up, but I decided on trying Jump Desktop, and all I can say is WOW.

Jump Desktop has breathed new life into my iPad Pro 12.9 with Smart Keyboard. I can connect locally, I can connect over the internet, it automatically changes the resolution for full screen iPad screen real estate (no black boarders, looks nice) and changes the resolution back to normal once you disconnect, and I can wake up and connect to my gaming PC via the internet also.

Main reason this is a game changer for me personally.

1. I like having my Macbook permanently as a desktop machine and as a second monitor. My setup on the left is the Macbook, on the right is a monitor, and wired keyboard, mouse connected, and time machine connected to it. If I switched back to one Macbook and no iPads, I'd be forced to disconnect and reconnect it every time I wanted a portable device, while now I can just leave it there.

2. As in my previous post. My Macbook is more precious to me. Not only does it cost more, but with the hardware problems plaguing apple over the years, I'd like to keep the wear and tear down on the device, which can be done by using it as a desktop, connected to a wired keyboard/mouse.

3. My iPad feels more durable. I don't mind taking my iPad into the garage to watch a video on how to build garage shelving, but I would feel scared of damaging or sratching my Macbook when taking it to such a place.

4. iPad has a better battery life than the Macbook. I wouldn't feel comfortable relying on my Macbooks battery at any % level (even though it's a new machine) and would feel the need to bring the charger along for just in case. While my iPad is currently 31%, and I would still take it somewhere if I didn't have time to charge it prior, and not fret too much of bringing the charger along. Also back to point 1, taking my Macbook charger would require disconnecting more things (think Ejecting hard drives), and fiddling around with it behind my desk, while an iPad Fast Charger is in my living room, easy to take along if needed.

5. I also discovered typing on my Macbook actually hurts the palms of my hands believe it or not. Something about resting the palms of my hands on the metal case while typing, verses my palms resting off the end of the smart keyboard on my iPad.

6. Lastly ARM Macbooks will not be a replacement solution for me even if they offered better battery life, as I need to use parallels desktop for WINDOWS XP lol, Office 2010, and other older apps.


So to summarise. The biggest benefit for me is I can keep using my Macbook as a desktop computer and second monitor without having to disconnect the setup every time I want to go portable, decrease its wear and tear, and not worry about damaging it, and instead use my iPad as a portable long battery life durable device with the ability to access MacOS or my gaming PC when I need to, and not worry so much where I take it or how much charge it has.

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Okay I’ve changed my mind on this again.

While the Macbook is great and has certain advantages over the software limitations of iPadOS.

iPadOS is very stable and just works most of the time. The amount of times I’ve recently gone on my Macbook which I haven’t touched for days, and things feel sluggish, refuse to load, and requires a restart, and sometimes even 2 restarts, is frustrating to say the least, and this is after using first aid on disk utility and virus scan. And this device is only a year old, while my iPad is several years old.

MacOS needs to pull their finger out. I wish I had stuck with Mojave tbh.

Oh yeah and my dock completely reset back to default, and I lost all my categorised folders with shortcuts in them.
 
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I don’t believe Apple intends for the iPad to be a laptop replacement, even though it may do that for many people. As such, one can’t rightfully judge Apple on an intent and timeline that Apple has not created and supported.

For me, the iPad Pro 11 (2020) meets 90%+ of my single user laptop type needs. My Mac mini is reserved for iTunes server use and the occasional encrypted iPhone and iPad backup via Finder and also with iMazing.
 
This weekend I did not want to remove my work laptop from my desk and exchanged it with my personal one so I keep it there and decided to use the iPad for the two days. Well I used the iPad, but two of them because naturally I am used to watching a movie and chatting with people or browsing. As I still have both the 2018 iPP and the 6th gen (regular one) I was able to use one of movies and one for chatting but realistically the moment I have only one iPad I would be back to using laptop as I can hook up the external monitor to the laptop and put the movie there. Something I cannot do with the iPad.

That being said I love my iPad and I use it for a lot of other stuff. Especially when I am outside in a coffee shop and want to read a book or at home visiting parents when I have TV. It is just not my main machine and it cannot be due to the nature of what I need.
 
The funny thing is that it’s the opposite for me. I have been using my iPad Pro for tasks which couldn’t be done on my work laptop for many years now. Airplay mirroring (we would only start getting miracast dongles late last year), annotating on pdf documents (teachers have to first open pdfs in edge?), scanning documents and just playing nice with my iPhone overall.

Some other reasons I prefer using my iPad over my windows laptop during meetings.

1) I can use the camera to scan QR codes, while the smart Keyboard Folio makes it easier to type in responses unlike my other colleagues who are thumbing them out on their smartphones.

2) Form factor makes it better for use in the lap in portrait mode. Longer battery life and always-on 4g as well.

For the things I do, the iPad is just faster to access, and I don’t have bloated windows getting in the way of what I need to do.
 
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