I'll carry on using the 5,1 until it dies. If it's beyond economical repair, rip the bits out I can and build a new PC
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Where are you guys heading to after 5,1 discontinuation?
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I'll carry on using the 5,1 until it dies. If it's beyond economical repair, rip the bits out I can and build a new PC
As the wind blows...the pieces of Mac Pro withers away......I'll carry on using the 5,1 until it dies. If it's beyond economical repair, rip the bits out I can and build a new PC
My 5,1 is currently running Yosemite and I see no need for an upgrade there. That said, I understand anyone to whom the newest os and software is a must.
If apple forces me to ditch the MP, I do not know what I'll do. That's an honest answer, not desperation.
What saddens me most, is that apple's computer business has a lot going for it, and could have even more if not for a string of stupid decisions. Sure, apple's main revenue comes from the iOS devices, and that's where apple's financial future is made, but that's no real excuse for letting the real 'puters languish. In fact, the low level of attention paid to pro users is a policy which is economically very dangerous.
Pro users are those who expend a few kilo$/€ on hardware and at least the same on software and peripherals. These are the segment who actually have switching costs worth mentioning, and who, once gone, won't come back. This is where apple could learn a thing or two from SLR manufacturers - the cost of a camera body pales when compared to lenses and stuff. And just to take the analogy further, Canon, Nikon, and their brethren are very aware of that being active in the pro segment is a big selling point when it comes to the P&S market.
There is no reason for why apple could not have capitalized on the position they had in the pro-AV segment in the early-to-mid 2000's. Furthermore they had a popular suite of entry-level media editing softwares, which pushed a steady stream of amateur users into the prosumer category (and onward). You could argue that disregarding the pro mac users was a sacrifice which had to be made in order to be able to develop and push the iPhone, and for the first year or two, that might even have been partially true, but as apple's economy strengthened, there was no real need to skimp on resources anymore. Since about 2011, the only honest answer to why apple has not given the pro segment anything new, is that they have not cared.
Phil, you may still be able to innovate, but you don't care about us anymore. Do not expect us to stay faithful.
Rgds,
If apple forces me to ditch the MP, I do not know what I'll do. That's an honest answer, not desperation.
What saddens me most, is that apple's computer business has a lot going for it, and could have even more if not for a string of stupid decisions. Sure, apple's main revenue comes from the iOS devices, and that's where apple's financial future is made, but that's no real excuse for letting the real 'puters languish. In fact, the low level of attention paid to pro users is a policy which is economically very dangerous.
Pro users are those who expend a few kilo$/€ on hardware and at least the same on software and peripherals. These are the segment who actually have switching costs worth mentioning, and who, once gone, won't come back. This is where apple could learn a thing or two from SLR manufacturers - the cost of a camera body pales when compared to lenses and stuff. And just to take the analogy further, Canon, Nikon, and their brethren are very aware of that being active in the pro segment is a big selling point when it comes to the P&S market.
There is no reason for why apple could not have capitalized on the position they had in the pro-AV segment in the early-to-mid 2000's. Furthermore they had a popular suite of entry-level media editing softwares, which pushed a steady stream of amateur users into the prosumer category (and onward). You could argue that disregarding the pro mac users was a sacrifice which had to be made in order to be able to develop and push the iPhone, and for the first year or two, that might even have been partially true, but as apple's economy strengthened, there was no real need to skimp on resources anymore. Since about 2011, the only honest answer to why apple has not given the pro segment anything new, is that they have not cared.
Phil, you may still be able to innovate, but you don't care about us anymore. Do not expect us to stay faithful.
Rgds,
Don't have to worry about that, Apple isn't pushing any more updates to my iPad; they cut me off at 9.3.5. Just a matter of time before the developers cut off the 32bit iPads as well.
I tried that route - I was still on Mavericks until a month or two ago when Adobe forced me to update OS X to continue getting updates for my apps. ****ers.
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I'll carry on using the 5,1 until it dies. If it's beyond economical repair, rip the bits out I can and build a new PC
When I finally move on from my 5,1 I've been throwing the idea of mounting the pieces in a frame and hanging it on my wall, kind of like this (without the LED's and actual functionality). This machine has built my career and has taken me so far, it would be a shame to just chuck it away.
Yeah I hate forced update.I tried that route - I was still on Mavericks until a month or two ago when Adobe forced me to update OS X to continue getting updates for my apps. ****ers.
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When I finally move on from my 5,1 I've been throwing the idea of mounting the pieces in a frame and hanging it on my wall, kind of like this (without the LED's and actual functionality). This machine has built my career and has taken me so far, it would be a shame to just chuck it away.
Can you elaborate a bit more on this?
I'm currently on Mavericks and I still get Adobe updates just fine
Yeah, I'm still on Mavericks myself, and trying to milk my Adobe CS6 apps as long as possible. Fortunately, since I mostly work in print design, I'm thinking I will get at least another year before I'm forced to embrace the Creative Clod.
Rather than bitch and moan, I took matters in to my own hands and transitioned to a hackintosh about 7 months ago. It's proven to be smooth and painless. I think that I now like my Gene build even more than my old 5,1.
With Skylake systems, a Mac Pro user doesn't even have to do a clean install of macOS, just install Clover, apply the needed kexts and Clover settings, and transplant the startup drive. I did this to my SSUBX by using an SSUBX to M.2 adaptor. In my opinion, it's a no brainer for people who want to stay on macOS and have updated hardware.
With Skylake systems, a Mac Pro user doesn't even have to do a clean install of macOS, just install Clover, apply the needed kexts and Clover settings, and transplant the startup drive. I did this to my SSUBX by using an SSUBX to M.2 adaptor. In my opinion, it's a no brainer for people who want to stay on macOS and have updated hardware.
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I was thinking of seeing how long my cmps would hold out, and maybe hackintosh, but I am transitioning to windows. I got dual boot going on my cmp--boot camp went almost without a hitch-- and its working great. Just sold my other cmp and replaced it with a xeon box I had laying around--my wife uses it for work--remote desktop--and got win 10 going on that. The most over-powered remote desktop host ever. I used to have a virtual lab and completed that task, so might as well use what I have...
I will keep my osx as a core system with lots of goodies including adobe cs5. Its my music/video stuff I want to be able to be windows capable or windows only. Not in any big rush here, but definitely transitioning. For my personal apps I could run them on a mini or imac if things came to that. But I suspect I will be done before my 2012 cmp gives up the ghost.
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Always appreciate your insight and I may give a hack a try. The server class pc I had laying around is xeon based, so it won't support a hackintosh, so I just put windows on it so my wife could continue to work from home after I sold my second mac pro.
I will keep my osx as a core system with lots of goodies including adobe cs5. Its my music/video stuff I want to be able to be windows capable or windows only. Not in any big rush here, but definitely transitioning. For my personal apps I could run them on a mini or imac if things came to that. But I suspect I will be done before my 2012 cmp gives up the ghost.
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Always appreciate your insight and I may give a hack a try. The server class pc I had laying around is xeon based, so it won't support a hackintosh, so I just put windows on it so my wife could continue to work from home after I sold my second mac pro.
For those who are have no business-dependent need, I'm not really sure why a lot of people are stating they'd jump ship. This is not the end of the world, nor is this the first time Apple has dropped support and moved on. It certainly is not a concept monopolized by Apple; Microsoft and PC manufacturers have notoriously (and will continue to do so) drawn a hard line on when hardware was deemed obsolete and no longer supported for future OS versions. But it's always the greedy "Crapple" that gets kicked, mocked, and ridiculed.
When native cMP OS support is discontinued in a future "nth" OS X iteration, I'll just pick up an nMP. If I can either grab the cheapest one that meets my performance specs, or pop for the latest one with the fastest specs I can afford, that's my next step. I was raised on the Apple ][+ platform and waited until the Mac II before "jumping" ship to Macs, then waited before jumping from the 68xxx processors to PPC, then to G4's and G5's. Waited again for the dust to settle after the Intel switch before I jumped on that architecture.
And so it is that I will wait until cMP support has passed (in reality, I'll probably jump sooner) before moving into the newest generation of MP's.
The nature of technology is that it's always marching forward. So this "sky is falling" so I'm switching to Brand X mentality I just don't get...
When native cMP OS support is discontinued in a future "nth" OS X iteration, I'll just pick up an nMP. If I can either grab the cheapest one that meets my performance specs, or pop for the latest one with the fastest specs I can afford, that's my next step. I was raised on the Apple ][+ platform and waited until the Mac II before "jumping" ship to Macs, then waited before jumping from the 68xxx processors to PPC, then to G4's and G5's. Waited again for the dust to settle after the Intel switch before I jumped on that architecture.
And so it is that I will wait until cMP support has passed (in reality, I'll probably jump sooner) before moving into the newest generation of MP's.
The nature of technology is that it's always marching forward. So this "sky is falling" so I'm switching to Brand X mentality I just don't get...
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Well some components may fail, some small piece of software or plugin may stop working or asks for a newer OS that the cMP supports... there can be quite a few legitimate reason why people will have to move on. I don't think the sky is falling, but depending on how the user has put the Mac Pro as a center of his digital lifestyle / workflow, it can be a huge headache.
I myself have learned to spread my work needs over multiple machines, each has specialty roles but none of them top of the line performance wise. Luckily I mostly do 2D graphics and occasionally light video editing and music recording, all of which do not require extreme horse power that Apple refuses to provide. I got a maxed 2015 MBP 15" as mobile graphics workstation, 2011 MBP 13" for utility / backup machine, 2012 Mini for office stuff, a cMP 1,1 with stock CPU/GPU but a few drives in it for server and audio related tasks. I can imagine if only owned one cMP, I would have to configure it much higher to meet all respective needs, but by spreading out the tasks over machines I kind of eliminated the need to worry when phasing out the cMP some time in the future.
Though if Apple somehow pulls its head out and release some form of expandable 7,1 Mac Pro or a Mini with Thunderbolt 3, then I am glad to consider it.
I myself have learned to spread my work needs over multiple machines, each has specialty roles but none of them top of the line performance wise. Luckily I mostly do 2D graphics and occasionally light video editing and music recording, all of which do not require extreme horse power that Apple refuses to provide. I got a maxed 2015 MBP 15" as mobile graphics workstation, 2011 MBP 13" for utility / backup machine, 2012 Mini for office stuff, a cMP 1,1 with stock CPU/GPU but a few drives in it for server and audio related tasks. I can imagine if only owned one cMP, I would have to configure it much higher to meet all respective needs, but by spreading out the tasks over machines I kind of eliminated the need to worry when phasing out the cMP some time in the future.
Though if Apple somehow pulls its head out and release some form of expandable 7,1 Mac Pro or a Mini with Thunderbolt 3, then I am glad to consider it.
I was referring to non-business related users switching to Windows upon the deathbed of cMP OS support as THAT seems to be the majority of responses here.
I get what you mean, I supposed many owners of cMP must be like myself, expecting the situation and put the cMP off the "sole workstation" role, distributed computing tasks over multiple machines. As a result the cMP is no longer a central indispensable machine even for business users, it is just that they don't realize it.
Personally, I would not consider Linux or Windows until there's absolutely no macOS options left. I like the UI and UX of macOS (and the old System/Finder before it), I'm comfortable using it, and things make sense on it to me. Yes, I've used Linux and Windows in the past but it was always to do things that were not possible or at least not easily done on a Mac and never by choice. I imagine it would take years before I get close the same level of comfort I feel on macOS with another operating system.
I've seen people who have hackintoshed older Xeon based systems but it involved more work and some things, like sleep, never worked properly. I'm still very green when it comes to hackintoshing but from what I've gathered, look for hardware with UEFI and try build systems around CPUs that Apple has used on real Macs to maintain maximum compatibility.
Last year, I purchased a used HP Elite 8300 with an i7 3770 from Ebay for about $200 to try and learn more about hackintoshing. To my complete amazement, I was up and running on El Capitan within an hour of greeting the UPS guy for delivery. I documented my experience here.
The only issue I have with the Hackintosh, and the reason I didn't keep the one I built last year, is that you're still stuck on legacy hardware. Nvidia Pascal cards don't have a web driver for OS X, and it's likely that they never will.
While building a Hackintosh has shown to be beneficial for those wanting "newer" hardware, it's really just delaying the inevitable transition to something other than OS X.
Yes, lack of Pascal drivers is a real bummer. But this is something that anyone would face if he/she chooses to stay with macOS...
Fortunately, lots of progress has been made for AMD GPUs. At this stage, I only hope that AMD's offerings continue to advance at an accelerated rate.
Fortunately, lots of progress has been made for AMD GPUs. At this stage, I only hope that AMD's offerings continue to advance at an accelerated rate.
You don't have to have a business-dependent need to look at jumping ship - you simply need something that Apple is apparently unwilling to deliver. In this case, it's horsepower. If you don't need it, you can't see why it is important.
My hobby is 3D art - my entire workflow is built around cores and ram. The nmp simply doesn't make sense on a TCO level, because it simply isn't cost effective. It's not just the fact that I'd have to buy multiple external T-Bolt enclosures and a dock just to replace missing functionality, it's also the idea that I'd have to pay so much more for so much less. An nmp + all of the additions I'd need to replace missing functionality and I'm paying almost twice as much for a less powerful computer.
Add in the fact that OSX isn't as stable as it used to be, and there is the fact that entire technologies are cut off due to Apple's "vision".
The most recent CC 2017 update requires you to be on a newer version of OS X. If you try and update then it tells you to update OS X to get it.
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CS6 is actually pretty weak compared to CC 2016. The new cloud membership platform sounds terrible at first but it actually makes way more sense.
Apple is making Logic Pro X very difficult to give up, especially if your working mainly with electronic sounds or pop/rock music This latest free update to Logic Pro X from 10.2.4 to 10.3 added more features and fixes than some DAWs do with a paid upgrade of $100 to $150.
I'm exploring my future options but that's difficult to determine because it really depends on where Apple is with it's hardware when the time comes and what I'll require and what sort of setup I want to work with.
I'm exploring my future options but that's difficult to determine because it really depends on where Apple is with it's hardware when the time comes and what I'll require and what sort of setup I want to work with.
There are a lot of reasons why this is not true for me:
- Even though it's not the latest, CS6 is still professional level software for print production
- I own it
- $100/month for two work stations = $1200 yearly cost = less profit OR raised prices to compensate
- CC features are mostly bloatware from my perspective
- I don't do App-design or interface design, so CC benefits are wasted on me
- I only need 3-4 applications (InDesign/Illustrator/Photoshop/Acrobat) and don't care about the rest
- My old-school belief that "It's always better to own than rent"
I understand, but why would you need two copies? You can run the same license on 2 machines at the same time. Yes, you own it but since they release new versions every year it can outdate very fast. In your unique case it probably doesn't make sense to upgrade for your needs, but what if there's features in the new versions that can make you better at what you do or make things easier? I think you're scared of change. You're going to turn into one of those people that puts out stuff that constantly looks like it's 10-15 years old.