Or, just maybe, Apple decides to spin off the Macintosh group into it's own company. Think about that for a minute? Does Dell make phone, does HP? Just spit ballin'
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Or, just maybe, Apple decides to spin off the Macintosh group into it's own company. Think about that for a minute? Does Dell make phone, does HP? Just spit ballin'
Lou
A few blogs and many around here have brought that up.
I think it's the best hope for Macs at this point.
I just don't see it happening, though.
This will have to change for the Mac Pro to receive any love
Isn't that the other way around ? Mac Pro should receive some love for the above to change ?
My problem is macOS . Running macOS and win 10 side by side, macOS is not as stable as it once was . Yearly marketing gimmicks do that . I guess u just need to stop at the previous stable release and avoid the annual update.
My macs will last me another 3-5 years. After that I'm going windows. Only reason I'm staying mac is cause I got a windows PC that handles intensive workload and has a kickass GPU.
. Yearly marketing gimmicks do that . I guess u just need to stop at the previous stable release and avoid the annual update. My macs will last me another 3-5 years. After that I'm going windows. Only reason I'm staying mac is cause I got a windows PC that handles intensive workload and has a kickass GPU.
With each passing day, it just continues to be a source of ever growing frustration.
I've forced myself to stop using macOS now and get used to Windows again as my 'daily driver' purely because the Mac hardware situation is so intolerable. They have the money, they have the resources, and they have plenty of loyal customers waiting to buy good hardware but evidently because it's easier to make more money with iPhones, they've decided to just put the Mac on the back burner and focus on the iPhone instead.
I prefer macOS. Even though I know a lot of folks say it's become inferior in more recent generations compared to more 'pure' versions like Snow Leopard. I still liked it. I still much, MUCH prefer it to Windows 10. But I'm forcing myself to go through a painful seperation process until Apple gets it's head together and starts focusing on desktops again.
Please Apple. For gods sake. Make some new desktops. And don't half-ass them.
I've forced myself to stop using macOS now and get used to Windows again as my 'daily driver' purely because the Mac hardware situation is so intolerable. They have the money, they have the resources, and they have plenty of loyal customers waiting to buy good hardware but evidently because it's easier to make more money with iPhones, they've decided to just put the Mac on the back burner and focus on the iPhone instead.
I prefer macOS. Even though I know a lot of folks say it's become inferior in more recent generations compared to more 'pure' versions like Snow Leopard. I still liked it. I still much, MUCH prefer it to Windows 10. But I'm forcing myself to go through a painful seperation process until Apple gets it's head together and starts focusing on desktops again.
Please Apple. For gods sake. Make some new desktops. And don't half-ass them.
I share your pain. I have a 2010 12-core Mac Pro that is maxed out. I muck about with CG – Cinema 4D, various renderers and plugins, ZBrush, After Effects, Substance etc – and all this amazing software is throttled by seven-year-old tech. God knows I don't want to buy a Windows PC but Tim Cook's pigheadedness is forcing me to do so. And I swear, when that day comes Apple will get no more money from me. I'll buy an Android phone and I'll just keep using my iPad until it wears out. If this is how Apple wants to treat its loyal users (30 years of buying expensive Apple products and recommending its systems to many other Apple owners) then they can, well, go screw themselves.
I have friends with publishing companies and they're all discussing moving to the PC. So it's not just handful of moaning freelancers, but entire companies that are being forced to jump ship.
I simply cannot believe Apple wants to relinquish its presence on the desktop to the PC market. Tim cook might be happy with his profitability (for now), but for me he's the worst thing that has happened to that company pretty much ever. At least Spindler and Amelio made computers I could buy. So frustrated...
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I have friends with publishing companies and they're all discussing moving to the PC. So it's not just handful of moaning freelancers, but entire companies that are being forced to jump ship.
I simply cannot believe Apple wants to relinquish its presence on the desktop to the PC market. Tim cook might be happy with his profitability (for now), but for me he's the worst thing that has happened to that company pretty much ever. At least Spindler and Amelio made computers I could buy. So frustrated...
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It sounds like Apple is way too late to convince former users to come back.
Migrated our studio over to Windows 10. Zero regrets.
Our one Mac holdout is currently fighting with Sierra to get his Wacom tablet to work again.
Currently using a 10 core 4.2 Ghz system and a 44 core dual xeon system depending on the task at hand.
Apple made it clear they do not want the $300K a year we spend on hardware.
Our one Mac holdout is currently fighting with Sierra to get his Wacom tablet to work again.
Currently using a 10 core 4.2 Ghz system and a 44 core dual xeon system depending on the task at hand.
Apple made it clear they do not want the $300K a year we spend on hardware.
The gap between Mac and PC is getting wider and most of the converts will just say so what if and when Apple comes out with a new Mac Pro. The PC companies have smelled the blood in the water and they're going after it while Apple continues to pursue iDevices and services.
According to the pie chart posted earlier, Macs only account for about 5% of Apple's income and Mac Pros are probably only 5-10% of that 5% so what real incentive is there for Apple to continue the model? As more and more people convert to Windows, the ROI will just keep shrinking and Tim will appear justified in pulling the plug.
As long as iOS software development can only be done on a Mac, Apple needs to have a Mac on which someone can develop apps. That could be an iMac, possibly an "iMac Pro" and not necessarily a Mac Pro. Or then they could open iOS development for other platforms...
That is the biggest reason for keeping some sort of Mac alive but as you say, it doesn't have to be a Mac Pro to code for iOS. I didn't mean Tim would pull the plug on all Macs, just Mac Pros because of their limited income potential.
I JUST got a 5,1 yesterday after about 7 years on MacBook Pro, and PC before that. I'm just getting started. I love this thing!
I barely peruse the forums, but pretty much any time CC is mentioned, it's about the bloatware, the bizarre broken "updates" and general unreliability. I totally agree about ownership of the app and your resources and I dread the coming push to subscription apps on iOS for everything. I expect I'll be using them less once that downhill run starts. AstroPad's already started with its pro version, so I guess I won't be going there either.
I have to agree with you here.
When Apple introduced the nMP, I was not among the detractors. I thought that the machine had real potential, but I also saw that realising that potential would need some intensive follow-up from Apple.
Now we have seen that no follow-up was to come.
As it stands, the advantage of a standard-based modular box (which technically the cMP was not fully) is that by selling one, you offer a platform for mutual enrichment. You make your partners work with you and everyone can benefit.
With a closed, nonstandard system (which the nMP is, albeit not as badly as laptops), you need to be the one taking the initiative. Apple could have made the nMP more successful, by:
- working with 3rd parties to actively grow the repertoire of TB-devices early on
- incentivising GPU manufacturers to offer a wider range of GPU's
- some aggressive -early adopter pricing.
- regular upgrades.
Apple being a hardware company (which offers software and platforms in order to make money on hardware), it is ironic, that the brightest future MacOS has on workstations is currently found in the hackintosh-arena.
RGDS,
I'd love to dream that there are discussions (and even arguments) in Cupertino about doing some kind of licensing of the OS for third party systems. Even if those systems did go through an aggressive review / approval / verification process, it'd be better than where we are right now.
I know they did it before and it was bad - but the difference was the Apple were trying to produce their own systems and ended up competing with third parties. Given that Apple don't seem to have much interest in producing new desktops any more, maybe it could work this time around.
What happens when all of the designers quit writing apps for iDevices because the hardware to create the apps for iDevices sucks or is EOL? While it may not be Tim's decision to slow the development of the desktop, ultimately, he's the one that should make sure it's not forgotten either. The fact that Tim can't see the forest for the trees is alarming.
It's time for Tim to go.
It's time for Tim to go.
Just like the best camera doesn't make you a photographer.
Speaking of classic stuff, where the hell is the next snow leopard? Bloatware, bloody animations, not to mention drop shadows, mail and multiple mds threads grinding the CPUs to dust (even when on battery), gigabyte background downloads even if you're on your mobile hotspot, Finder never remembering column sizes (that are bizarrely often not even adjustable), almost all the text navigation shortcuts lost or removed......aaarrrrggghhh.
And no, Windows is no more an option than chewing my arm off.
Most likely I will make a Hackintosh to replace the cMP, my wife is a total Apple person, and we share the desktop, so I can't just quit macOS.
Besides, I will buy her a Macbook for light use and as a backup if the Hackintosh goes wrong and I am not in town.
Besides, I will buy her a Macbook for light use and as a backup if the Hackintosh goes wrong and I am not in town.
Apple has focused their efforts on catering to the lucrative content-consumer market while ignoring the content-creator market, and it shows in iOS and MacOS.
EDIT TO ADD: …and it also shows in their hardware.
EDIT TO ADD: …and it also shows in their hardware.
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What Windows desktop manufacturer and configuration are you using for your Windows system? I really, really wish a new MP would be released but it depresses me the longer no news comes out. It looks like I need to start considering a non-Apple powerful solution for my desktop if nothing is announced in June at WWDC.
After being an apple fanatic for years, I boot camped my mac back with window 7 years ago, flash forward now and I rarely boot into my mac anymore, I basically run Windows 10 most of the time on my 5,1. Being a web developer has taught me to hand code everything with a good text editor and a couple of browsers... neither of those are platform specific.
Logic though is the hold out.. I hate to leave it behind for my music.. but I'll probably move to protools and do a custom build Windows box.. logic's latency problems on the latest iMacs and laptops is laughable for multi-tracking.. which is why the 5,1 cheese-grater is like gold to me..
I'm running a custom "Jeff" built PC. It's my third custom build so I felt pretty comfortable building my own for my daily driver. The system specs are:
i7 6950x
Asus X99 Deluxe II motherboard
64 Gigs GSkill Ripjaw Memory
2 x GTX 1080 FTW cards
512 GB OCZ M.2 boot drive
Windows 10 Pro
Fractal Design Define S Case
Custom water cooling loop for CPU and GPU's
I also have a few extra hard drives installed that came from the Mac but that's the main parts of the build. It run's Adobe stuff, and C4D really well. The GPU's are awesome for rendering in Octane. I'm really happy with the build and would not really change anything if I had to do it over. I don't use a lot of apps that require the high thread count of Xeon CPU's so I decided to go with the high end consumer chip instead. It's still nearly twice as fast as my 5,1 on Cinebench so I'm still coming out ahead without breaking the bank on the expensive Xeon chips.
If you're looking for something different than the standard HP or Dell workstations and don't want to build your own, take a look at pugetsystems.com . They make some nice custom workstations and have a great warranty. Any other questions just shoot me a PM.
Me, too. Well, I got a 5,1 a few months ago after being on a mid-2010 15" MBP! Hopefully, it will serve me another 4-7 years...
I have used Pro Tools on Windows starting in '99. When I switched to Mac in 2010, I moved to Studio One and Logic 9, then moved on to Logic X. I bounced between Studio One, Logic, and Pro Tools a bit over the years. I'm back on Pro Tools again and it's definitely the one I like best. There's plenty of stuff I like about Logic, but I definitely don't like it's inability to be cross platform. I feel like I'm bound to back to Windows at some point, and both Pro Tools and Studio One will move right along with me.