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1050792 said:
My narrative isn't falling apart at all since my original reply was on how disappointing the XR screen was with a 720p screen, all of those fancy stuff like 7nm processor, nvme etc and and a downgraded screen from the 5.5" inch 8 Plus. Your arguments are pure excuses to seem like it packs such "wonderful" hardware to sound like the screen isn't an issue. You have such ridiculous claims just like saying no other OEM's in the industry offers those features, which makes you sound like a delusional in your own world person, since Android OEM'S have had all those features for years, such as fast processors which in fact beat the GPU in the A11 and it's actually faster in real world performance, 4k Recording, facial recognition, Dolby Vision, and edge to edge displays with no chins, just like Xiaomi and Vivo Nex S, which in fact have smaller bezels than the XR phone you try to defend so bad.
Why would I be interested in the XR since my main point of the reply on this thread was exactly at how disappointing the phone was for having such a bad screen resolution for today's standards? Did you even read the thread title?
i'm really done arguing with this since all your arguments are about the same "fancy" hardware... but but the XR costs $2500 with a 360p, but hey you're paying for an amazing CPU and 3D Facial Hadrware so it's fine, I'm happy. That's excatly what your arguments sound like. Say that in front of a mirror to see how delusional and closed minded you sound. Bye ;)
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The point is that it's a rip off from Apple in even thinking of offering such a bad screen resolution for today's standards, I don't mean like it isn't acceptable for users but for such a rich company who prides itself of having the "best" it does make them look like money grabbers because it's all they care about now.
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Xr costs 2500 and I’m delusional, you do understand midrange right.

None of the feature I listed are available from android oems. Except for computational photography, but I listed that.
Vivo nex and Xiaomi each have chin, and cost more than the iPhone xr.

And as far as I am aware no android oem can actually record at 4k 60fps for longer than 5 Minutes. None of them use nvme either or have 3D facial biometrics, and most don’t support Dolby vision, I believe there is only one model that does.

But hey you claim they do, just like the 2500 xr

But you keep focusing on the ppi again disregarding everything else the phone has to offer.
 
gelie said:
No love. Old tech. Camera well below Xs. No 3D Touch inferior display etc. Better off saving some money and by a 8+.
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PRICE, PRICE, PRICE. The OLED screen might be better for looking at pictures, but $250 better? I just ordered the XS because I have the scratch, but I think a $1000 phone (entry level for OLED) is crazy for anyone earning less than 100k yearly. Another $1000+ for service. I see countless people with these crazy priced phones that would be better served by putting their IP money in a IRA where it would grow rather than depreciate to the tune of $250-$300 in a year.

Back when I was young, it was called "keeping up with the Joneses". Now it seems to be peer pressure to pull out a $1000 phone so that everyone with you, can see you're up to date.
 
EugW said:
How would you almost pull the trigger on an XR? It doesn't go on pre-order until October.

It should be noted the XR at 2.98 inches is narrower than the Max at 3.05 inches, but has the same screen real estate. Both the XR and Max are 414x896 point phones. The XS is considerably smaller, at 375x812.

So despite the fact that the XS's cost is closer to the XR, IMO the proper comparison for the XR is against the XS Max. Yes, the Max all around is a nicer phone than the XR, but it is also physically bigger and costs 56% more if you want more than 64 GB.
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If I'd pulled the trigger on the XR I would have decided to not buy the Max and wait a month for the XR. The pulling of the trigger is the actual decision for me, not the literal tap on a pre-order button. Had I pulled the trigger on the XR, I wouldn't have thought about buying the Max again, just waited to get the XR. The decision point was Friday, for me at least.

We have different definitions of screen real estate if you think because the aspect ratios are the same that means the same real estate. We may just have different use cases, which is fine. The two phones have the same number of rows for icons on the home screen, but if they made an Apple watch with the same aspect ratio of 414x896 I wouldn't be able to see a photo or video just as well on that 1-2 inch screen as I would on a Max, or XR for that matter. Similarly, there will be photos or videos or games that look better on the Max vs the XR because of the physical rea estate of the screen. For Max vs XR a maybe more common example would be very small text being more legible on the Max because of the resolution, and a bigger screen, even though the aspect ratio is the same. The extra size, and the higher resolution, of the Max has an impact that is worthy of considering for many.

You are correct that the XR is a bit narrower than the Max, however it is quite a bit closer to the Max than the XS (0.07 vs 0.19). It is just as important to point out that the XR is thicker than the Max. for somebody that carries a phone in a pocket, the thickness may be more of an issue.

Actually, the volume of the XR is greater than the volume of the Max. I'd decided the XR would feel chunkier to me based on it is almost as wide as the Max and being thicker when I'm already used to a thin phone. It would feel chunky. But I guess I could have just checked the dimensions and multiplied them. Now, how well Apple shaped the sides can have an impact on feel of course, but reviewers seemed to comment on how nice the Max felt, while some commented on the XR not feeling as nice. Should be noted though for anyone still deciding that the XR does weigh a bit less, if that is a concern.

The XR looks to be a great phone, and many will love theirs. I almost decided I'd go with one!
 
Q-Dog said:
It would be a perfect phone for me, if it weren't so damn big.
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Exactly. Other than that, it's probably a nice phone. I almost feel personally insulted that they made it even bigger than the X, which was already bigger than the already too big 7. You'd think the edge to edge screen would allow them to decrease the dimensions of the phone's body while keeping the screen size the same.
 
Treebark said:
If I'd pulled the trigger on the XR I would have decided to not buy the Max and wait a month for the XR. The pulling of the trigger is the actual decision for me, not the literal tap on a pre-order button. Had I pulled the trigger on the XR, I wouldn't have thought about buying the Max again, just waited to get the XR. The decision point was Friday, for me at least.

We have different definitions of screen real estate if you think because the aspect ratios are the same that means the same real estate. We may just have different use cases, which is fine. The two phones have the same number of rows for icons on the home screen, but if they made an Apple watch with the same aspect ratio of 414x896 I wouldn't be able to see a photo or video just as well on that 1-2 inch screen as I would on a Max, or XR for that matter. Similarly, there will be photos or videos or games that look better on the Max vs the XR because of the physical rea estate of the screen. For Max vs XR a maybe more common example would be very small text being more legible on the Max because of the resolution, and a bigger screen, even though the aspect ratio is the same. The extra size, and the higher resolution, of the Max has an impact that is worthy of considering for many.

You are correct that the XR is a bit narrower than the Max, however it is quite a bit closer to the Max than the XS (0.07 vs 0.19). It is just as important to point out that the XR is thicker than the Max. for somebody that carries a phone in a pocket, the thickness may be more of an issue.

Actually, the volume of the XR is greater than the volume of the Max. I'd decided the XR would feel chunkier to me based on it is almost as wide as the Max and being thicker when I'm already used to a thin phone. It would feel chunky. But I guess I could have just checked the dimensions and multiplied them. Now, how well Apple shaped the sides can have an impact on feel of course, but reviewers seemed to comment on how nice the Max felt, while some commented on the XR not feeling as nice. Should be noted though for anyone still deciding that the XR does weigh a bit less, if that is a concern.

The XR looks to be a great phone, and many will love theirs. I almost decided I'd go with one!
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I don't know what to do now. I was thinking about the XR, but the main spot where I think the XR will fall down is in zoomed mode. This is something I have to think about as I get older.

So I haven't made any final decision either. This is one situation having the phones in hand may help. In previous years, I just purchased based on spec. That was true for the iPhone 3G, 4, 5S, 6S, 7 Plus, iPad 2, and iPad Air 2. This is the first time I'm just waiting. It's just very hard to stomach the high costs of the Max.

In truth if it were up to me, I wouldn't bother buying anything. I'd just keep my 7 Plus. But the wife wants something new.
 
EugW said:
I don't know what to do now. I was thinking about the XR, but the main spot where I think the XR will fall down is in zoomed mode. This is something I have to think about as I get older.

So I haven't made any final decision either. This is one situation having the phones in hand may help. In previous years, I just purchased based on spec. That was true for the iPhone 3G, 4, 5S, 6S, 7 Plus, iPad 2, and iPad Air 2. This is the first time I'm just waiting. It's just very hard to stomach the high costs of the Max.

In truth if it were up to me, I wouldn't bother buying anything. I'd just keep my 7 Plus. But the wife wants something new.
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I would place money on none of the X-series phones having a zoomed mode. Not a lot of money mind, maybe £1.50
 
Last year, people waited on the more expensive iPhone. This year, people are waiting on the cheaper iPhone. The irony. I'll take a brand new XR over a discounted X any day. Keep bashing the XR's lower res, LCD display. That's all these haters got.

Seeing blue light leads us faster to BLINDNESS. Blue light shifting is known for that on OLED. The X/XS/XS Max also have a PenTile OLED. Then when we software update in a year, the lag won't be so apparent on the XR thanks to that lower res.

Think video games. Higher frame rates and res, GPU is getting taxed harder and higher in drawing heat which then kills the battery's life expectancy. It's just common sense. For me, I'll choose battery life and smooth UI over display or camera every time.

I rotate between 5 phones daily and a great experience matters more to me. I hate lag and short battery life. The XR will sell like hotcakes and go down as the 2nd-best selling iPhone behind only the 6. The dual sim and cheaper price will make it very popular in Asia.

The only time Apple ever sold an iPhone at below its true value was the iPhone SE. That's the only time. The XR could end up the most successful "bargain" iPhone over the 5c and SE when you consider it's good enough to discontinue the X.

Every smart people knows that the iPhone X was a RUSHED product with janky software known as iOS11. It was a device for guinea pigs and suckers to overpay for. That's what Apple does with tick models. That's why tock models exist to refine it.

iPhone 5 - 5s/5c discontinued it after a year

iPhone X - XS/XR discontinued it after 10 months

All that hype for the X because it was some 10-year anniversary iPhone. The XS is what the X should've been and the XR is what the X's price should've been in the first place.
 
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Nexus One said:
Last year, people waited on the more expensive iPhone. This year, people are waiting on the cheaper iPhone. The irony. I'll take a brand new XR over a discounted X any day. Keep bashing the XR's lower res, LCD display. That's all these haters got.

Seeing blue light leads us faster to BLINDNESS. Blue light shifting is known for that on OLED. The X/XS/XS Max also have a PenTile OLED. Then when we software update in a year, the lag won't be so apparent on the XR thanks to that lower res.

Think video games. Higher frame rates and res, GPU is getting taxed harder and higher in drawing heat which then kills the battery's life expectancy. It's just common sense. For me, I'll choose battery life and smooth UI over display or camera every time.

I rotate between 5 phones daily and a great experience matters more to me. I hate lag and short battery life. The XR will sell like hotcakes and go down as the 2nd-best selling iPhone behind only the 6. The dual sim and cheaper price will make it very popular in Asia.

The only time Apple ever sold an iPhone at below its true value was the iPhone SE. That's the only time. The XR could end up the most successful "bargain" iPhone over the 5c and SE when you consider it's good enough to discontinue the X.

Every smart people knows that the iPhone X was a RUSHED product with janky software known as iOS11. It was a device for guinea pigs and suckers to overpay for. That's what Apple does with tick models. That's why tock models exist to refine it.

iPhone 5 - 5s/5c discontinued it after a year

iPhone X - XS/XR discontinued it after 10 months

All that hype for the X because it was some 10-year anniversary iPhone. The XS is what the X should've been and the XR is what the X's price should've been in the first place.
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Geez, I guess all the folks hanging into their iPhone X instead of making a move are making a mistake. WWOOWW.

Or they made even a bigger mistake buying in the first place.
 
Think about this for moment. Pixel 3 XL with 128 GB will probably go for $950+. The iPhone XR with 128 GB will be priced at $799. The XR actually offers better value than the Pixel 3 XL being $150+ cheaper and having a class-leading SoC that's at least one year ahead of Qualcomm's since 2015.

Looks better too and with double the color options than just three. I'm an Android Guy and I will likely be using the Pixel line for life but that Pixel 3 design looks dated or hideous. The red iPhone XR is the best-looking iPhone design since the 5s.

The XR is priced nearly the same as the previous iPhone Plus models ($800). I think the XR could be a nice holdover for me until Google gets design right with the Pixel 4 or whenever it happens. Google is like Microsoft of the 90's. Bland design. No taste. Why pay $900+ for generic-looking?
 
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EugW said:
I don't know what to do now. I was thinking about the XR, but the main spot where I think the XR will fall down is in zoomed mode. This is something I have to think about as I get older.

So I haven't made any final decision either. This is one situation having the phones in hand may help. In previous years, I just purchased based on spec. That was true for the iPhone 3G, 4, 5S, 6S, 7 Plus, iPad 2, and iPad Air 2. This is the first time I'm just waiting. It's just very hard to stomach the high costs of the Max.

In truth if it were up to me, I wouldn't bother buying anything. I'd just keep my 7 Plus. But the wife wants something new.
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Does your wife just want something new, or functionally it'd be better to get something new? To me, want = totally unneeded and pure consumerism and ego/vanity (not meaning that in a bad way). But is there a functional reason behind her want....the battery isn't lasting as long, she can't read the screen as well, case is beat up, screen scratched, apps run slower than she'd like, uses a camera a lot, etc. etc. etc. are all reasons to want/need a new phone that is more than just a wanter going on. ;)

But hear you on thinking about staying put too. I'd considered that. I actually don't like the changes face ID brought. My wife has had the X and the gestures just are not as convenient as a home button imo. Also, it is a pain to help her with her phone. Under touchID we had each other's finger prints in the phone, but you can't have two faces in face ID. I can unlock her phone with the passcode, but it often wants face ID for stuff, like downloading an app for her. Then I have to look up our big long, non-sensical password to type in, lol.

Remember too that it isn't just the $750 of the XR vs the $1100 of the Max, but your data plan as well. People COULD go with dumb phones and voice only...or no phone at all. I was long in the work force before cell phones were even invented. ;) If you add the total cost of ownership for a smartphone over the year or years you use it, that $350 difference between the two becomes less of a percentage. Plus it is something many people use on a daily basis. Doubt that helps much, $350 is still $350 and not insignificant at all, but over the long haul if the delta in price is the only thing holding you back and you could afford it, just don't want to, maybe not weight price as heavily.

BTW, if you are still on the 7 I'm guessing you either bought your phone outright back then or have paid it off out of your contract. I've never been one to lease stuff or buy things on credit, but the 0% apr the carriers (Verizon at least) offer is hard to beat. Pay $1200 now, or $50 a month for 2 years. OK, I'll stick $1200 in an interest account and pay them from that. Granted, I'm not making much, but I'm not out anything either, other than maybe being able ot carrier hop. Of course, they will hit you up next year saying you can do the deal again, just give the phone back, pony up for anothe year of payments and get a new phone. But you don't have to do that. If whatever you get (Max, XR, etc.) is looking like a 3 year or longer phone for ya, don't get a new phone at that time.

As far as getting older and older eyes...I don't think the resolution of the XR is bad, they used to say 300dpi = print and the XR is over 300 dpi, but you are correct. The Max in zoomed mode would be easier to read text...no question about that if you are on the cusp of being able to easily read the text or not. Young eyes it'd probably not matter much, they are likely not even using zoomed mode. My wife uses it, I do not. But then she has a small screen, and I have been using a plus screen.
 
martin2345uk said:
I would place money on none of the X-series phones having a zoomed mode. Not a lot of money mind, maybe £1.50
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Why do you say that? That'd make no sense for various reasons:

  • Zoomed mode is built into iOS, I wouldn't think it was based on hardware
  • Apple is very keen on putting an emphasis on assessability, check out that section of setting sometimes. Some of that stuff is useful every now and then for the fairly well-sighted individual
  • Apple put zoomed mode in there for a reason, it wasn't because screens were small, but because they know lower visioned people prefer it. Why would they remove it?
  • The X already has zoomed mode
 
Treebark said:
Does your wife just want something new, or functionally it'd be better to get something new? To me, want = totally unneeded and pure consumerism and ego/vanity (not meaning that in a bad way). But is there a functional reason behind her want....the battery isn't lasting as long, she can't read the screen as well, case is beat up, screen scratched, apps run slower than she'd like, uses a camera a lot, etc. etc. etc. are all reasons to want/need a new phone that is more than just a wanter going on. ;)

But hear you on thinking about staying put too. I'd considered that. I actually don't like the changes face ID brought. My wife has had the X and the gestures just are not as convenient as a home button imo. Also, it is a pain to help her with her phone. Under touchID we had each other's finger prints in the phone, but you can't have two faces in face ID. I can unlock her phone with the passcode, but it often wants face ID for stuff, like downloading an app for her. Then I have to look up our big long, non-sensical password to type in, lol.

Remember too that it isn't just the $750 of the XR vs the $1100 of the Max, but your data plan as well. People COULD go with dumb phones and voice only...or no phone at all. I was long in the work force before cell phones were even invented. ;) If you add the total cost of ownership for a smartphone over the year or years you use it, that $350 difference between the two becomes less of a percentage. Plus it is something many people use on a daily basis. Doubt that helps much, $350 is still $350 and not insignificant at all, but over the long haul if the delta in price is the only thing holding you back and you could afford it, just don't want to, maybe not weight price as heavily.

BTW, if you are still on the 7 I'm guessing you either bought your phone outright back then or have paid it off out of your contract. I've never been one to lease stuff or buy things on credit, but the 0% apr the carriers (Verizon at least) offer is hard to beat. Pay $1200 now, or $50 a month for 2 years. OK, I'll stick $1200 in an interest account and pay them from that. Granted, I'm not making much, but I'm not out anything either, other than maybe being able ot carrier hop. Of course, they will hit you up next year saying you can do the deal again, just give the phone back, pony up for anothe year of payments and get a new phone. But you don't have to do that. If whatever you get (Max, XR, etc.) is looking like a 3 year or longer phone for ya, don't get a new phone at that time.

As far as getting older and older eyes...I don't think the resolution of the XR is bad, they used to say 300dpi = print and the XR is over 300 dpi, but you are correct. The Max in zoomed mode would be easier to read text...no question about that if you are on the cusp of being able to easily read the text or not. Young eyes it'd probably not matter much, they are likely not even using zoomed mode. My wife uses it, I do not. But then she has a small screen, and I have been using a plus screen.
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I'm in Canada. Data plan is bring-your-own-phone, $60 (US$46) per month for 10 GB data, plus an additional five 1-hour sessions of unlimited data per month. Wife's plan is the same. We buy our phones unlocked straight from Apple.

Wife wants a larger phone than her 6s, but also she is complaining about some issue with the earpiece, not always sounding right. I'm not hearing that but I'm not using it every day. I wouldn't be surprised though since a repair guy was in there and fixed a loose power switch so I don't know if something happened with the speaker. Battery is also in Apple's "worn" category. It acts a bit flaky sometimes, and with coconut battery runs around 75-80% capacity, with ~650 cycles. I figure I'll take it into Apple for the CAD$29 battery replacement and see if Apple will actually replace the battery since it's been worked on before. And if the speaker somehow realigns itself or whatever then great. If not, I may get it repaired elsewhere to give to a family member.

My 7 Plus OTOH is in absolutely pristine condition. Battery is 90% with ~400 cycles, although since the battery replacement is only $29 I'll probably get that replaced anyway. The battery replacement price goes up next year.

Treebark said:
Yes, lol. At least I believe my wife has it turned on, lol

However, a quick google search finds the XS Max (edit: and XR) does have zoomed mode / display mode:

https://twitter.com/filipekids/status/1040133138557677568

Edit again: You can just donate the 1.50 to charity. ;)
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Sweet.

BTW, I wonder if Apple would choose a different zoom ratio on the XR in order to improve zoomed text quality, but somehow I would guess they would not do that.

No XS support?
 
martin2345uk said:
I've seen lots of people say on here the X does not have the zoomed mode option...!
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I guess you may be right, google shows lots of people saying the X doesn't have it, could have sworn she turned that on. She isn't home right now to check.

But the tweet I referenced he indicates iOS 12 gold master has it for the XR and XS Max, so maybe the XS is left out in the cold.

"Based on the file name. It’s only available images for D33 (iPhone Xs Max) and N84 (iPhone Xr)."
 
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