Where's the flood of Thunderbolt options?

[DonMega]

You're right. MVC has a threatened business and is motivated by it--but that doesn't make his points somehow wrong. I've noticed that when people don't have valid counter points, they resort to demonizing the other side.

At the same time you accuse MVC of belittling people, you are belittling me...people who want to upgrade GPUs are "minions"? Really? Do insults make you feel better? Because they don't add to the debate.

Perhaps you could provide some counter points to the facts presented here? I'd love for someone to explain why not being able to upgrade GPUs is a good thing. The only tangible benefit I've seen so far is "it's small and pretty on my desk". I get that some people will prefer that, but so much was lost for it.

I've NEVER said that not being able to upgrade GPUs is a good thing. Quite the contrary. What I have said and will continue to say is I'm tired of every time someone starts a thread that has anything to do with the Mac Pro 6,1 MVC and the rest of you have to come in a pollute it with all the talk about how it (Mac Pro 6,1) and Apple has let everyone down.

I CHOOSE not to purchase a Mac Pro 6,1 in it's current form. Many others have chosen to purchase it and are working with them to their satisfaction. If you don't like it, so be it.

MVC's sole purpose here seems to me to be nothing more than marketing to potential customers. Sure, he and his team have been able to satisfy some who don't like the 6,1 and want to hold onto their older Mac Pros, but why come here and denigrate Apple and people who've purchased a Mac Pro 6,1? EVERY CHANCE HE GETS...

It seems to me to be nothing but self-adulation and again, MARKETING. If you all don't like the Mac Pro 6,1, get an engineering team together and build the machine you want. That would surely impress the hell out of me.

I'm not demonizing anyone. You all have done that for yourselves.

 

[flat five]

Perhaps you could provide some counter points to the facts presented here? I'd love for someone to explain why not being able to upgrade GPUs is a good thing.

it is but.. who cares right now? whoever is looking to upgrade their gpu in the nmp right this minute, please speak up.

guess what.. only like 10 people in the whole world are interested in upgrading their nmpgpu.. that will happen later.

but you're mad because there isn't a current upgrade path* ..even though there's approx zero demand for one.. as in-- you don't want to upgrade the nmp gpu and even if you had one, you still wouldn't.. maybe down the road but not right now.. and nobody else is trying to upgrade theirs.
you get that, right?

to me, your question is flawed.. "I'd love for someone to explain why not being able to upgrade GPUs is a good thing"

..because they are upgradable.

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* if you _really_ wanted to upgrade to d700 right now, you can.. but it's pricey.

 

[MacVidCards]

it is but.. who cares right now? whoever is looking to upgrade their gpu in the nmp right this minute, please speak up.

guess what.. only like 10 people in the whole world are interested in upgrading their nmpgpu.. that will happen later.

but you're mad because there isn't a current upgrade path* ..even though there's approx zero demand for one.. as in-- you don't want to upgrade the nmp gpu and even if you had one, you still wouldn't.. maybe down the road but not right now.. and nobody else is trying to upgrade theirs.
you get that, right?

to me, your question is flawed.. "I'd love for someone to explain why not being able to upgrade GPUs is a good thing"

..because they are upgradable.

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* if you _really_ wanted to upgrade to d700 right now, you can.. but it's pricey.

Always good for a laugh.

Complete and utter nonsense, as usual.

I can guarantee you that if I could make a GTX980 for nMP at $1K a piece they would FLY off the shelves. People would sell their wives, husbands, internal organs, anything to get one.

I don't know where you get your particular brand of illogic. The reason nobody is upgrading nMP is because THERE AREN'T ANY UPGRADES. Very hard to gauge demand when there is 0 (ZERO, NADA, NONE, NOT ANY) supply.

If you are convinced that nobody even wants a new GPU, why not start a poll? Have a look at those Barefeats results, he may be adding Dual GTX970s soon. A couple 970s or 980s would RUN RINGS around the D700s, and offer boot screens on 4K and 5K displays.

Are you aware that a nMP sits dark when connected to a 4K SST or 5K display at boot? They behave just like a cMP with an unflashed card. No boot screens, no access to recovery, etc. It's like running a Hackintosh. Apple could fix that in 30 seconds with a EFI update but all of the engineers are working on the new "Hello Kitty" watchbands.

And you really want to tell everyone that all of the people staring at dark screens during boot are thrilled with that and wouldn't like a modern GPU that was designed with 4K and 5K in mind? If so, please explain.

 

[ActionableMango]

if you _really_ wanted to upgrade to d700 right now, you can.. but it's pricey.

You and I had this exact discussion I think over a year ago.

Jesus Christ, I'm arguing on the Internet again! What a waste of heartbeats for everyone involved.

I'm out.

 

[flat five]

I've noticed that when people don't have valid counter points, they resort to demonizing the other side.

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heh, i'm glad i'm not the only one that notices this.

Always good for a laugh.

Complete and utter nonsense, as usual.

I don't know where you get your particular brand of illogic.

Now you've done it, you'll have the lunatic fringe in here defending the "most upgradeable Mac ever".

The complete lack of upgrades deters them not a bit.

If you can't see it for yourself, I would be wasting my time typing the same stuff over again

I am amazed that some are having such a difficult time seeing what is as obvious to me as death & taxes.

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You and I had this exact discussion I think over a year ago.

Jesus Christ, I'm arguing on the Internet again! What a waste of heartbeats for everyone involved.

I'm out.

well, change your mind then.. and i'll quit arguing you about stuff

 

[sigmadog]

You and I had this exact discussion I think over a year ago.

Jesus Christ, I'm arguing on the Internet again! What a waste of heartbeats for everyone involved.

I'm out.

Personally, as a non-tech guy, I love sitting at the kids' table watching the adults argue.

 

[flat five]

I can guarantee you that if I could make a GTX980 for nMP at $1K a piece they would FLY off the shelves. People would sell their wives, husbands, internal organs, anything to get one.

so the nmp is doooomed and nobody buys them.. but if you sold an accessory for the nmp, these gpus would FLY off the shelves??

i don't get it.

 

[MacVidCards]

so the nmp is doooomed and nobody buys them.. but if you sold an accessory for the nmp, these gpus would FLY off the shelves??

i don't get it.

Please show me where I said either one of those things.

What I have said is that there is going to be a giant Fire Sale when 7,1 drops and Apple shows graphs with 7,1 leaving 6,1 for dead at various tasks. Since they aren't going to be any GPU upgrades, people won't be able to unload them fast enough.

 

[flat five]

Please show me where I said either one of those things.

What I have said is that there is going to be a giant Fire Sale when 7,1 drops and Apple shows graphs with 7,1 leaving 6,1 for dead at various tasks. Since they aren't going to be any GPU upgrades, people won't be able to unload them fast enough.

not tonight.. maybe later.



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[MacVidCards]

only like 10 people in the whole world are interested in upgrading their nmpgpu

..because they are upgradable.

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I see, hasty retreat when facts get in the way.

Why not back up your assertions?

Start a poll, see how many nMP owners wish Apple offered upgrade GPUs.

If it's more then 10....I think we know it will be more than 10.

And perhaps another poll?

See how many people think that a computer can be considered "upgradeable" when there are in fact no parts to upgrade it with?

 

[AidenShaw]

Start a poll, see how many nMP owners wish Apple offered upgrade GPUs.

Start a poll - see how many people would be upset if Apple used epoxy to seal the cover on the MP6,1 so that nothing could be changed outside of the factory.

As long as the epoxy didn't make it less "shiny".

Apple has abandoned people who need or want to upgrade systems. I don't know how they can tout "green" initiatives when moving all of their systems to disposable appliances.

 

[flat five]

Start a poll, see how many nMP owners wish Apple offered upgrade GPUs.

the point isn't who wishes.
it's who would upgrade right now.. like, buy a new gpu for nmp tomorrow.

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As long as the epoxy didn't make it less "shiny".

nah.. epoxy is shiny.. like a surfbort

Apple has abandoned people who need or want to upgrade systems.

that's fine.
you guys are kinda dorky anyway.
: p

 

[MacVidCards]

the point isn't who wishes.
it's who would upgrade right now.. like, buy a new gpu for nmp tomorrow.

Enough weasling with semantics. Start the poll and ask who would buy a pair of GTX980s RIGHT NOW if they could.

And you forgot the one about calling a computer "upgradeable" when there are in fact NO UPGRADES to upgrade with.

I had an epiphany last night. The iPods, pads, phones & watches used to be accessories for the Apple Computers. And now the computers are more and more the accessories to manage your various Pads, pods, etc.

 

[flat five]

Enough weasling with semantics.

it's not semantics.. it's the entire point.
people wouldn't upgrade their gpus right now even if possible.. when people start wanting to make the upgrades, they'll be able to.

Start the poll

you really don't get it do you? this place is not real life.
polls here only show what here is like.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Enough weasling with semantics. Start the poll and ask who would buy a pair of GTX980s RIGHT NOW if they could.

And you forgot the one about calling a computer "upgradeable" when there are in fact NO UPGRADES to upgrade with.

I had an epiphany last night. The iPods, pads, phones & watches used to be accessories for the Apple Computers. And now the computers are more and more the accessories to manage your various Pads, pods, etc.

I'm wondering if the main reason is because their software of choice does not support AMD Graphic cards. That would be a software limitation and not a hardware one.

I don't see either as being an accessory. iOS devices don't really need a computer at all for the majority of its functions. Even iOS upgrades can be done thru WiFi without a computer.

I see each device being independent of each other. But able to interoperate with other Apple devices seamlessly when needed. Thats why we have Handoff & Continuity feature.

You really don't get it do you? this place is not real life.
polls here only show what here is like.

Totally agree with you on this. A poll like this on macRumors alone would more likely be geared towards DIY crowd ( Hacking into their Mac Pro ) rather then your typical Pro workstation user outside these forums.

 

[MacVidCards]

it's not semantics.. it's the entire point.
people wouldn't upgrade their gpus right now even if possible.. when people start wanting to make the upgrades, they'll be able to.



you really don't get it do you? this place is not real life.
polls here only show what here is like.

I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree with you.

I also think you are full of you-know-what.

If nothing said here has any pertinence to anything, why bother reading or posting?

Go spread the joy that is nMP from a soapbox in Central Park, isn't that "real life"? Take your poll there and let us know what the "real world" wants.

"When people start wanting to make the upgrades, they'll be able to" sounds like a nice way of explaining your 0/100 record for predicting nMP upgrades. (all 1 of them)

Does that also explain the central question in this thread?

There has been no flood of TB options because nobody wants them? But when people do they will magically appear? Will they be shipped by truck or Unicorn?

 

[ixxx69]

Personally, as a non-tech guy, I love sitting at the kids' table watching the adults argue.

Yeah - it was blatantly obvious that's why you started the thread. I wasn't going to mention it, but since you've admitted to it...

Enough weasling with semantics. Start the poll and ask who would buy a pair of GTX980s RIGHT NOW if they could.

What's the poll supposed to prove? That there are 20 nMP users who would buy them? Even if you got 100 nMP users to vote "yes", so what? Get 10,000 signatures, and you've cornered an amazing 1% of the potential nMP market over the next few years. Might be good enough for your little business, but Apple couldn't give a frack.

The nMP will most likely never get GPU upgrades just like laptops and AIO's don't get GPU upgrades. nMP owners don't care. Thunderbolt will never be as popular as USB. nMP owners don't care. Mac owners in general don't care. Actually, no one really cares aside from a handful of geeks who hang out on computer forum boards.

Now you've done it, you'll have the lunatic fringe in here defending the "most upgradeable Mac ever".

Hypocritical much? You know, you come off as kind of paranoid obsessed with this "lunatic fringe" that you're always mentioning but no one ever sees. Maybe time to take it down a notch?

 

[ClassObject]

People that need or want to upgrade their mac gpus are delusional. This is a niche thing. Users who actually make a living with a Mac want it to work well. If it's not doing what they need they rarely replace parts to get there - they replace the whole machine. Geeking out about gpus and cpus is fringe. Mvc caters to the fringe, has a loud boisterous presence, but he doesn't represent most users that use macs.

 

[MacVidCards]

People that need or want to upgrade their mac gpus are delusional. This is a niche thing. Users who actually make a living with a Mac want it to work well. If it's not doing what they need they rarely replace parts to get there - they replace the whole machine. Geeking out about gpus and cpus is fringe. Mvc caters to the fringe, has a loud boisterous presence, but he doesn't represent most users that use macs.

I wonder who's buying all the cards then.

You're calling them all "delusional"?

I think you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

 

[sigmadog]

Yeah - it was blatantly obvious that's why you started the thread. I wasn't going to mention it, but since you've admitted to it...

I can't decide if I'm one of MacVidCard's minions, or one of Flat Five's lunatics. My wife has her opinion, but that's based on something completely different.

 

[ixxx69]

I wonder who's buying all the cards then.

So, how many cards are we talking about here? How many individual customers? And don't include any "used" or old OEM cards in your numbers, but new "flashed" cards.

 

[sigmadog]

People that need or want to upgrade their mac gpus are delusional. This is a niche thing. Users who actually make a living with a Mac want it to work well. If it's not doing what they need they rarely replace parts to get there - they replace the whole machine. Geeking out about gpus and cpus is fringe. Mvc caters to the fringe, has a loud boisterous presence, but he doesn't represent most users that use macs.

One of the reasons I've kept my cMP 3,1 going so long is the ability to add upgrades like a PCIe SSD RAID card to speed up the boot drive, moving up to a more powerful graphic card, adding a USB/Firewire card, RAM additions, and boosting internal storage to 12TB. When I first bought the machine I didn't know I would want most of these upgrades - until I did.

I'm a graphic designer with a small home-based studio. My computer is the main electronic tool I use to earn my living. Keeping it working as efficiently as possible for as long as possible makes a lot of sense for a small timer like myself. Ditching the whole computer three years ago because the startup disk was too slow would have been achievable, but not desirable. I'd rather spend my profits on other things.

Whether I fit the profile of "most users" is irrelevant to me, though I understand why Apple must make such calculations. Nevertheless, one of the primary selling points for the Mac Pro to me has always been the internal options available. It was a very versatile tool, suitable for many different professional scenarios.

That is no longer the case, it appears.

Not every user has the same needs, and I think Apple has missed the mark in that the nMP caters primarily to a small niche of ultra-high end users. That's fine, but in the meantime I find myself in No-Mans-Land when it comes to a purchase option that makes long-term sense for me. The iMac falls short for what I'm looking for, and the nMP is optimized for tasks I never perform. And both machines appear to have been constructed and designed as disposable tools, which I find very disconcerting, especially as a user looking for long-lasting power and utility.

The more I consider the direction Apple has taken the Mac Pro, the more I'm inclined to consider the 5,1 the best option for my goals.

 

[MacVidCards]

One of the reasons I've kept my cMP 3,1 going so long is the ability to add upgrades like a PCIe SSD RAID card to speed up the boot drive, moving up to a more powerful graphic card, adding a USB/Firewire card, RAM additions, and boosting internal storage to 12TB. When I first bought the machine I didn't know I would want most of these upgrades - until I did.

I'm a graphic designer with a small home-based studio. My computer is the main electronic tool I use to earn my living. Keeping it working as efficiently as possible for as long as possible makes a lot of sense for a small timer like myself. Ditching the whole computer three years ago because the startup disk was too slow would have been achievable, but not desirable. I'd rather spend my profits on other things.

Whether I fit the profile of "most users" is irrelevant to me, though I understand why Apple must make such calculations. Nevertheless, one of the primary selling points for the Mac Pro to me has always been the internal options available. It was a very versatile tool, suitable for many different professional scenarios.

That is no longer the case, it appears.

Not every user has the same needs, and I think Apple has missed the mark in that the nMP caters primarily to a small niche of ultra-high end users. That's fine, but in the meantime I find myself in No-Mans-Land when it comes to a purchase option that makes long-term sense for me. The iMac falls short for what I'm looking for, and the nMP is optimized for tasks I never perform. And both machines appear to have been constructed and designed as disposable tools, which I find very disconcerting, especially as a user looking for long-lasting power and utility.

The more I consider the direction Apple has taken the Mac Pro, the more I'm inclined to consider the 5,1 the best option for my goals.

Thank You.

The voice of reason.

Sorry that you have been called "delusional".

Some people get it, and some are ready to sing "The Apple Company Song."

Don't upgrade, but a whole new one !

 

[lowendlinux]

People that need or want to upgrade their mac gpus are delusional. This is a niche thing. Users who actually make a living with a Mac want it to work well. If it's not doing what they need they rarely replace parts to get there - they replace the whole machine. Geeking out about gpus and cpus is fringe. Mvc caters to the fringe, has a loud boisterous presence, but he doesn't represent most users that use macs.

I make a living on a Mac Pro and my boos authorized the purchase solely because it was upgradeable. Upgrade-ability mean longer durations between purchases and to a certain extent avoids vendor lock.

 

[Zorn]

People that need or want to upgrade their mac gpus are delusional. This is a niche thing. Users who actually make a living with a Mac want it to work well. If it's not doing what they need they rarely replace parts to get there - they replace the whole machine. Geeking out about gpus and cpus is fringe. Mvc caters to the fringe, has a loud boisterous presence, but he doesn't represent most users that use macs.

This is so out there I can't believe you actually said it. You are saying that you find it perfectly acceptable to spend *THOUSANDS* of dollars on a desktop computer, and be stuck with the GPU's that came with it forever (when they are already outdated from 2011 to begin with)?

On what planet is that even somewhat acceptable? I guess if someone else is paying for the computer, and will pay for another one when you chuck that one in the trash in a couple years. That's just baffling.