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Do you think that all three base model configurations of the 21.5" iMac will be refreshed?
I'm not 100% sure honestly. Some of the current M1 Macs kept an Intel offering as well. The difference with an M1 iMac (as opposed to the MacBook Pro and Mac Mini) is that the whole enclosure looks to be changing. I don't think an Intel CPU option would work in an enclosure with a thermal design that's engineered around an ARM chip.

So if Apple does decide to keep offering a smaller Intel-based iMac, I would have to imagine it would be one of the existing 21.5" configurations. I don't see that happening personally - an Intel 21.5", M1 24", and Intel 27" being the lineup at the same time. I think it'd go more in the MacBook Air direction - M1 only.
 
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32GB is too much for a minimum. I think 16GB is more realistic if we're talking about Apple and non-upgradable RAM.

I was saying a 32GB option should be available, with potential 64 and upward if Apple is ready to take on that weight class with their processors at this stage (we will find out tomorrow). Remember this lineup is also replacing the iMac Pro, which was discontinued.
 
I'm not 100% sure honestly. Some of the current M1 Macs kept an Intel offering as well. The difference with an M1 iMac (as opposed to the MacBook Pro and Mac Mini) is that the whole enclosure looks to be changing. I don't think an Intel CPU option would work in an enclosure with a thermal design that's engineered around an ARM chip.

So if Apple does decide to keep offering a smaller Intel-based iMac, I would have to imagine it would be one of the existing 21.5" configurations. I don't see that happening personally - an Intel 21.5", M1 24", and Intel 27" being the lineup at the same time. I think it'd go more in the MacBook Air direction - M1 only.
Good point! I didn't think about any of that. 🤔
I was saying a 32GB option should be available, with potential 64 and upward if Apple is ready to take on that weight class with their processors at this stage (we will find out tomorrow). Remember this lineup is also replacing the iMac Pro, which was discontinued.
Oh, okay. That makes more sense...

I don't think the 21.5" lineup is meant to replace the iMac Pro. The 27" lineup seems more likely to act as a replacement to the iMac Pro. Maybe even the Mac Pro?
 
I dunno. I just don’t see an M1X announcement lumped in with other stuff. WWDC - maybe.

Yep, as much as I wish it were otherwise, I expect WWDC is the far more likely event for any new major Mac launches. A 24" iMac refresh with the current M1 proc does seem like a possibility though.
 
Good point! I didn't think about any of that. 🤔

Oh, okay. That makes more sense...

I don't think the 21.5" lineup is meant to replace the iMac Pro. The 27" lineup seems more likely to act as a replacement to the iMac Pro. Maybe even the Mac Pro?
I think there will be 27" (or whatever the new "big" size will be) replacements too.
 
What I would really love to see though, is a 24” stand alone display to go along with the iMac. But I doubt it’ll happen.
 
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Lest we forget, the iMac Pro replaced the Mac Pro until a new version could be released. It was never intended to be a recurring model. Hence, it being discontinued outright by Apple. The ship has sailed.

iMacs tomorrow? Chances are a little less than nil. If they do introduce one, it's going to be equal to the M1's previously released, only in an all-on-on form factor. I highly doubt they would redesign the enclosure any more than they did with the other M1's... which was minuscule at best.

I'd predict the first non-lobotomized M1 no sooner than late fall at the earliest. With the pandemic throwing everything off... next year seems more likely.
 
I'm thinking it might be one of those, here's junior, and later this year, bla bla bla..
 
Both new iMacs (24" and 32") will be revealed tomorrow.

Apple is not going to reveal a cheaper 24" model if a 32" is a few more weeks or months away. If we don't see a 32" model tomorrow, that means it is at least a year (or more) away (or not being made at all).

Most of the potential customers for the 32" model will end up buying a 24" (and spending less money) because it is the only Apple Silicon iMac available. Apple tries to avoid this scenario at all costs.
 
I'm expecting an M1 CPU with the new 24" iMac at launch as well. The 21.5" model was never the basis of a powerhouse configuration. For comparison sake, the tech specs for a 2019 16" MacBook Pro base CPU is a 6-core i7, with CTO up to 8-core i9. The 2019 21.5" iMac base is a 4-core i3, with CTO up to 6-core i7. Apple has never breathed fire into the smaller model. The M1 has already shown itself to be a very capable performer. Certainly enough for the market that the 21.5"/24" iMac is targeted at.

If the 24" model does get an M1X CTO option, I wouldn't expect that to be added until the larger iMac comes out. But again, I don't see that happening.
It will be a pretty lackluster launch if that is all Apple has to offer:
- The redesign itself is a big deal and would be wasted if the only model offered is low end.
- It has been 6 months, to not see any iterating on the M1 processor would be pretty lame.
- This is the first completely new Mac chassis designed from the ground up for Apple Silicon. Surely they would tailor a chip to it, not just plug in the same M1 from 6 months ago.
 
I was saying a 32GB option should be available, with potential 64 and upward if Apple is ready to take on that weight class with their processors at this stage (we will find out tomorrow). Remember this lineup is also replacing the iMac Pro, which was discontinued.
If you want , lets do some real talk about memory ,memory size and memory performance in a SoC , if I tell you that you can have a MUCH better memory performance with 32GB then with a 64GB memory , with equal timing memories and equal CPU , Fabrics, frequencies , how would we achieve that ? this question is to anyone in the forum of course :)

Once you (or other poster) get this one right and I think you will , we can do a small tech dive on the differences between memory subsystems and the "upgradeable" vs "non upgradeable" discussions that I see so often , at the end , I hope , you will be asking different questions about RAM when its time to buy a computer (be it PC or Mac).

Note - I am NOT saying that more is less or any of that (although you will get better thermals/battery life with less memory due to the leakage and refresh requirements of DRAM technology).
 
If we do get an iMac on the 20th, I’m expecting it to be the 24” version with a more powerful 32” iMac Pro showing up later in the year along with the new Mac Pro.

So that all the iMac customers can spend their wad now on a cheaper model? Yeah, no. If a 32" is coming any time this year, its coming tomorrow alongside the 24".

M1-X with 12 cores (8 power cores and 4 efficiency cores), 16 GPU cores and 16gb of RAM standard (upgradable to 64gb). These would be the specs for the base model.

For the 24" model I don't see it being that aggressive at all.
M1X with 12 CPU cores, 12 GPU cores, 8 GB standard, and upgradeable to 16 GB.

For 32"
M1Z with 16 CPU cores, 16 GPU cores, 16 GB standard, and upgradeable to 32 GB.

I’m going to go out on a limb and say maybe, just maybe Apple will offer an in-house developed discrete GPU option

Nope.
 
LOL. "Lumped in with other stuff"....like, I dunno...the first Mac designed completely from the ground up for Apple Silicon? Lol.
“Lumped in” with iPads Pro, Pencils, AirPods, AirTags. I think they'll want to showcase the next-gen Apple Silicon chip with a separate event, or in the WWDC keynote.

So that all the iMac customers can spend their wad now on a cheaper model? Yeah, no. If a 32" is coming any time this year, its coming tomorrow alongside the 24".

By that logic they wouldn’t have released the 2-port 13” MacBook Pro until the 4-port 14” was ready either.
 
“Lumped in” with iPads Pro, Pencils, AirPods, AirTags. I think they'll want to showcase the next-gen Apple Silicon chip with a separate event, or in the WWDC keynote.



By that logic they wouldn’t have released the 2-port 13” MacBook Pro until the 4-port 14” was ready either.
Nope, iMacs are coming tomorrow.

And no, the logic was literally the exact same. The entry level Pro, which is in a category unto itself, was updated because it was getting the same M1 chip and the other Pros were a year away. You're not going to see M-series MBP's until the fall.
 
It will be a pretty lackluster launch if that is all Apple has to offer:
- The redesign itself is a big deal and would be wasted if the only model offered is low end.
- It has been 6 months, to not see any iterating on the M1 processor would be pretty lame.
- This is the first completely new Mac chassis designed from the ground up for Apple Silicon. Surely they would tailor a chip to it, not just plug in the same M1 from 6 months ago.
Idk, in the context of Apple, 6 months is really not that long. It took them 4 years to take 2013 Mac Pro class hardware and put it into an existing form factor with the 2017 iMac Pro. And that was a stop-gap for 2 years until they completed the 2019 Mac Pro. None of which required developing their own CPU/GPU. 6 months of Apple time doesn't necessarily buy you a new M1 chip, especially with the production constraints of the COVID-era.

And really, they've already tailored a chip to a new iMac design - it's called the M1. The chip was ready first.

My post was regarding what I think a 24" resigned iMac would launch with, not when (maybe its tomorrow, maybe not). There's no performance reason to put a stronger-than-M1 CPU in the smaller iMac. Apple never has - becuase that's not the market for that model.

If you think they won't launch a redesigned iMac until an M1X is ready, well that's certainly possible. There's some sense to that. But it would be in the larger iMac design, not the 24". And I don't think it'll be tomorrow.
 
That seems way too small for an external display. I hope they don't put any effort into that.
There's a market for it.
Yep, as much as I wish it were otherwise, I expect WWDC is the far more likely event for any new major Mac launches. A 24" iMac refresh with the current M1 proc does seem like a possibility though.
Anybody who buys the base model will immediately regret it then...

I don't know, it just doesn't make any sense to me. We are too close to WWDC. It's now or never.
I think there will be 27" (or whatever the new "big" size will be) replacements too.
Well, yes. We should expect that later in the year.
What I would really love to see though, is a 24” stand alone display to go along with the iMac. But I doubt it’ll happen.
There are rumors of such a product, soo... ;)
Lest we forget, the iMac Pro replaced the Mac Pro until a new version could be released. It was never intended to be a recurring model. Hence, it being discontinued outright by Apple. The ship has sailed.

iMacs tomorrow? Chances are a little less than nil. If they do introduce one, it's going to be equal to the M1's previously released, only in an all-on-on form factor. I highly doubt they would redesign the enclosure any more than they did with the other M1's... which was minuscule at best.

I'd predict the first non-lobotomized M1 no sooner than late fall at the earliest. With the pandemic throwing everything off... next year seems more likely.
I don't know. There's just a plethora of evidence suggesting that we will see some sort of refresh tomorrow. I cannot see it not happening, especially after all of the rumors and leaks.
Both new iMacs (24" and 32") will be revealed tomorrow.

Apple is not going to reveal a cheaper 24" model if a 32" is a few more weeks or months away. If we don't see a 32" model tomorrow, that means it is at least a year (or more) away (or not being made at all).

Most of the potential customers for the 32" model will end up buying a 24" (and spending less money) because it is the only Apple Silicon iMac available. Apple tries to avoid this scenario at all costs.
You don't think they'll only refresh the lowest base model of the 24" iMac? I hope you're correct regardless of whether or not your speculation is accurate or not...
LOL. "Lumped in with other stuff"....like, I dunno...the first Mac designed completely from the ground up for Apple Silicon? Lol.
But what if they reveal the redesign tomorrow?
It will be a pretty lackluster launch if that is all Apple has to offer:
- The redesign itself is a big deal and would be wasted if the only model offered is low end.
- It has been 6 months, to not see any iterating on the M1 processor would be pretty lame.
- This is the first completely new Mac chassis designed from the ground up for Apple Silicon. Surely they would tailor a chip to it, not just plug in the same M1 from 6 months ago.
Maybe M1 in the lowest base model, but M1X in the rest of the 24" iMac configurations?

We are almost halfway through the Apple Silicon transition (hell, maybe it'll even end early). Apple can't just sit around and wait until the last day of the transition to refresh everything.
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Me?
For the 24" model I don't see it being that aggressive at all.
M1X with 12 CPU cores, 12 GPU cores, 8 GB standard, and upgradeable to 16 GB.

For 32"
M1Z with 16 CPU cores, 16 GPU cores, 16 GB standard, and upgradeable to 32 GB.
The "Z" version is for minor increments. I think it'll be M1X across the board.
So that all the iMac customers can spend their wad now on a cheaper model? Yeah, no. If a 32" is coming any time this year, its coming tomorrow alongside the 24".
Yeah, unless the refresh all of the 21.5" iMac configurations tomorrow.
Not for the 24" iMac? I still think that Apple has a discrete GPU in the works...
“Lumped in” with iPads Pro, Pencils, AirPods, AirTags. I think they'll want to showcase the next-gen Apple Silicon chip with a separate event, or in the WWDC keynote.
Lumped in with all sorts of big software announcements? Hmmm... :confused:
Nope, iMacs are coming tomorrow.

And no, the logic was literally the exact same. The entry level Pro, which is in a category unto itself, was updated because it was getting the same M1 chip and the other Pros were a year away. You're not going to see M-series MBP's until the fall.
You don't think we could see the M-series MBP's at WWDC (hell, even tomorrow if some sort of baseless magical miracle happens)?
that's not the market for that model.
Ummm... what about pros that want a smaller display? That's a market...
And I don't think it'll be tomorrow.
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I don't know. There's just a plethora of evidence suggesting that we will see some sort of refresh tomorrow. I cannot see it not happening, especially after all of the rumors and leaks.
Idk, in the context of Apple, 6 months is really not that long. It took them 4 years to take 2013 Mac Pro class hardware and put it into an existing form factor with the 2017 iMac Pro. And that was a stop-gap for 2 years until they completed the 2019 Mac Pro. None of which required developing their own CPU/GPU. 6 months of Apple time doesn't necessarily buy you a new M1 chip, especially with the production constraints of the COVID-era.
But you have to remember that Apple said that the Apple Silicon transition would take two years or less.
 
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Lumped in with all sorts of big software announcements? Hmmm... :confused:
Yeah, I agree, it would be odd! But it has happened before, with Pro hardware, they’ve announced a Mac Pro and MacBook Pros (I think) at WWDC before. As the M1X (or whatever they call it) would be a “pro” chip it would kind of make sense. Or, maybe we get another event for these Macs, not at WWDC. With the current supply chain constraints for chip manufacturers, it could even be after WWDC.

I don’t know if we’ll see a new iMac tomorrow. I’d say it’s possible and personally I think it’s probable. But if we do, I’m willing to bet it’d be just the current-gen M1. I really don’t think we see any new Apple Silicon chip tomorrow.

And in terms of proximity to WWDC, in normal times it would be weird but last year they did events with major product announcements in August (27” iMac), September (iPad Air), October (iPhone 12), November (M1 Macs), and December (AirPods Max). Notably, the M1 Macs had an event all to themselves.
 
Yeah, I agree, it would be odd! But it has happened before, with Pro hardware, they’ve announced a Mac Pro and MacBook Pros (I think) at WWDC before. As the M1X (or whatever they call it) would be a “pro” chip it would kind of make sense. Or, maybe we get another event for these Macs, not at WWDC. With the current supply chain constraints for chip manufacturers, it could even be after WWDC.

I don’t know if we’ll see a new iMac tomorrow. I’d say it’s possible and personally I think it’s probable. But if we do, I’m willing to bet it’d be just the current-gen M1. I really don’t think we see any new Apple Silicon chip tomorrow.

And in terms of proximity to WWDC, in normal times it would be weird but last year they did events with major product announcements in August (27” iMac), September (iPad Air), October (iPhone 12), November (M1 Macs), and December (AirPods Max). Notably, the M1 Macs had an event all to themselves.
Do you think that all of the 24" configurations would be refreshed or would Apple kill off a majority of them and only leave one?
 
Both new iMacs (24" and 32") will be revealed tomorrow.

Apple is not going to reveal a cheaper 24" model if a 32" is a few more weeks or months away. If we don't see a 32" model tomorrow, that means it is at least a year (or more) away (or not being made at all).

Most of the potential customers for the 32" model will end up buying a 24" (and spending less money) because it is the only Apple Silicon iMac available. Apple tries to avoid this scenario at all costs.
Which didn't prevent them from releasing the 13" M1 MacBook Pro before the rumoured 14" and the 16". Heck, they even kept the Intel Mini on sale, which suggests that higher-end Minis will come.
 
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Do you think that all of the 24" configurations would be refreshed or would Apple kill off a majority of them and only leave one?
Man, if they leave the non-Retina dual-core i5 config alongside the M1’s that would be funny!

Honestly, no clue, they could go either way. Something tells me it would probably be just like the MacBook Air, the whole product goes M1 and you only get to choose between 7-core and 8-core GPU, and configure RAM and SSD.

From what we’ve seen so far from iPad Pros and the first three M1’s it doesn’t look like there will be too many configuration options in the world of Apple Silicon. The Mac Pro and the “Pro” Mac mini might be the exceptions.
 
Ummm... what about pros that want a smaller display? That's a market...
Oh there may be a handful of pros that want a more powerful CPU with a smaller display. But a market existing and a market that Apple thinks is worth targeting is not the same thing. As a 3D artist and Mac user for many years, I've been on the losing end of that realization more times than I'd like.

I don't know. There's just a plethora of evidence suggesting that we will see some sort of refresh tomorrow. I cannot see it not happening, especially after all of the rumors and leaks.

...

But you have to remember that Apple said that the Apple Silicon transition would take two years or less.
What I don't see happening tomorrow is both an M1 24" and M1X 30"+ design being revealed. Who knows, with Apple anything is possible. I guess we'll find out pretty soon.

Apple still has over a year, though, before their June 2020 prediction of a 2 year transition is "up". I think the entire iMac lineup will be complete by fall of 2021, and the Mac Pro update will come WWDC of 2022. The 16" MacBook Pro M1X could come at any time in between then and now.
 
From what we’ve seen so far from iPad Pros and the first three M1’s it doesn’t look like there will be too many configuration options in the world of Apple Silicon.
Yeah exactly. With Intel making the chips, it was their problem managing all the different CPU design versions, production, and supply. Apple does not operate the same way, at all. Certainly not with Tim Cook's background.
 
Which didn't prevent them from releasing the 13" M1 MacBook Pro before the rumoured 14" and the 16". Heck, they even kept the Intel Mini on sale, which suggests that higher-end Minis will come.
Only one of the higher configurations was left to stay though. Does that mean we could see two of the 21.5" iMac models updated, but not the highest configuration?
Man, if they leave the non-Retina dual-core i5 config alongside the M1’s that would be funny!

Honestly, no clue, they could go either way. Something tells me it would probably be just like the MacBook Air, the whole product goes M1 and you only get to choose between 7-core and 8-core GPU, and configure RAM and SSD.

From what we’ve seen so far from iPad Pros and the first three M1’s it doesn’t look like there will be too many configuration options in the world of Apple Silicon. The Mac Pro and the “Pro” Mac mini might be the exceptions.
I don't think they'll leave the crap model around. No way will they do that...

Glad to hear what you think though.
Oh there may be a handful of pros that want a more powerful CPU with a smaller display. But a market existing and a market that Apple thinks is worth targeting is not the same thing. As a 3D artist and Mac user for many years, I've been on the losing end of that realization more times than I'd like.
We don't know which markets Apple likes to target.
What I don't see happening tomorrow is both an M1 24" and M1X 30"+ design being revealed. Who knows, with Apple anything is possible. I guess we'll find out pretty soon.

Apple still has over a year, though, before their June 2020 prediction of a 2 year transition is "up". I think the entire iMac lineup will be complete by fall of 2021, and the Mac Pro update will come WWDC of 2022. The 16" MacBook Pro M1X could come at any time in between then and now.
We will have to wait and see what happens, yes.
Yeah exactly. With Intel making the chips, it was their problem managing all the different CPU design versions, production, and supply. Apple does not operate the same way, at all. Certainly not with Tim Cook's background.
Yeah, Apple can do what they want much easier now.
 
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