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Meh. No hate no love. I liked some of the cast but it was just meh for me. Meh.
That's kinda the problem with Discovery - lots of loud and divisive theories about what fundamental decision killed it when I think the real issue was simply that some of it just wasn't particularly good.

The best bit was Season 2 - but then that was effectively Season 0 of Strange New Worlds.

(and as for that turbolift chase... did they not get the joke about the stompy things in Galaxy Quest...?)

It's a story about humanity: our flaws, our struggles, our morality, our attempt at being better than we were yesterday.
...except Discovery was chock full with scenes where the action ground to a halt while they all stood around and talked about their feelings. Possibly profound things were said about human nature, but thanks to the sound production and overly-naturalistic acting all I heard was "sob sob, whisper, snuffle sob". (I've since given up and just left the subtitles switched on, but it's funny how some shows need it and others don't...)

Nor is there anything wrong with a "darker and edgier" take on Star Trek - except it has already been done, time and time again. I get creatives not wanting to continually re-hash the past (even though The Orville shows that there's an audience for more TNG-with-the-serial-numbers-filed-off shows) - but you still need actual new ideas.

Even Trek has already gone "darker and edgier" with DS9 and half of the movies. Season 3 of Discovery is, effectively, the same premise as Andromeda (which ISTR was originally conceived as a Star Trek rebuild-the-fallen-Federation show) - there's a whole freakin genre of "anti-Star Trek" shows (Blake's 7, both versions of BattleStar Galactica, Babylon 5, Farscape, Firefly, Dark Matter - no, the earlier one), KillJoys, Above and Beyond, The Expanse...) which have the advantage of not being tied down by ST's massive continuity (and continuity-obsessed fanbase).

I think we're now faced with several long-running SF/Fantasy franchises that have got too old to be able to reconcile the need to appeal to a new audience of teenagers without alienating their original middle-aged-to-senior fans, and risk losing both in the attempt. Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who... even Marvel and DC superheroes are disappearing down the confusing multiverse rabbit hole. The industry don't really want to drop these "old faithful" franchises, but I think we've gone past the point where they are "low risk" ventures.

Mostly, these mega-hits started out as original ideas (or at least brought largely unknown ideas to a new audience). The industry needs to pluck up courage to try new ideas again... (Even Apple's Foundation would, I think, have made a far better space opera if they'd forgotten about trying to pretend it was an adaptation of the famous book and, instead, buit on some of the new ideas used in the show).
 
...except Discovery was chock full with scenes where the action ground to a halt while they all stood around and talked about their feelings. Possibly profound things were said about human nature, but thanks to the sound production and overly-naturalistic acting all I heard was "sob sob, whisper, snuffle sob".
That whoa is me nonsense is can be found everywhere. What I was talking is the commentary by the non-human character. Q's judgement of humans in the first episode of TNG. I have to say, he was spot on.
Or Quark's pointing out Sisko's bigotry against Ferengis, which stings since bigotry against blacks in the 1960's USA is one of Sisko's sore points.
 
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This has been very good so far.
 
I've watched Justified numerous times, it is a great show...!

City Primeval though, I thought was alright, but no where near as good as the original series...
 
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I've watched Justified numerous times, it is a great show...!

City Primeval though, I thought was alright, but no where near as good as the original series...
I agree.

I actually had rather low expectation to City Primeval, though, so I wasn't too dissapointed. It was - as you say - alright, and mostly forgettable, compared to the original run. :)
 
I just started watching Invincible.
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It's a different take on the superhero genre. I'm only 2 episodes in and I like it. I liked it a lot. Comic book nerds will automatically see what DC/Marvel hero a character is based on PDQ. Some are almost carbon copies (Darkwing/Batman, Red Rush/Flash). Some are homage characters (War Woman/Wonder Woman, Omni Man/Superman, Robot/Ironman). A lot of the superheroes have DC/Marvel hero's powers, but to a lesser degree (Rex Splode/Gambit, Atom Eve/Green Lantern, Dupli-Kate/Multiple Man).

What sets this apart from the other superhero shows is the blood and guts and the down side of being a superhero. Omni Man goes Superman Prime in the very first episode.😳😳😳 I haven't seen this much guts in an animated series since M.D. Giest. A superhero's life isn't all fame and glory. Free time? You wish. You're on call 24/7 365. On a date? Duty calls, ditch the girl.

I highly recommend this show to any comic book nerd, except those under 13.
 
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I just started watching Invincible.
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It's a different take on the superhero genre. I'm only 2 episodes in and I like it. I liked it a lot. Comic book nerds will automatically see what DC/Marvel hero a character is based on PDQ. Some are almost carbon copies (Darkwing/Batman, Red Rush/Flash). Some are homage characters (War Woman/Wonder Woman, Omni Man/Superman, Robot/Ironman). A lot of the superheroes have DC/Marvel hero's powers, but to a lesser degree (Rex Splode/Gambit, Atom Eve/Green Lantern, Dupli-Kate/Multiple Man).

What sets this apart from the other superhero shows is the blood and guts and the down side of being a superhero. Omni Man goes Superman Prime in the very first episode.😳😳😳 I haven't seen this much guts in an animated series since M.D. Giest. A superhero's life isn't all fame and glory. Free time? You wish. You're on call 24/7 365. On a date? Duty calls, ditch the girl.

I highly recommend this show to any comic book nerd, except those under 13.
Hmm I'll have to see where I can watch. I love having a different take on these cliches, I mean I have seen lots of memes based on Omni man. :p
 
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The Wife and I are doing our usual weeb stuff;

Gundam GQuuuuuux (after getting her hooked on Witch from Mercury, she's digging Studio Khara's [Evangelion] take on Gundam)
Ninja to Koroshiya no Futaigurashi (fun yuri comedy, with a bafflingly high amounts of blood, and animation budget)

This weekend or next, we're going to binge the last of the wife's horse girl racing anime (Uma Masume Pretty Derby, again a weird Yuri comedy based on a gacha game with a startling animation budget)
 

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After watching Thunderbolts, it motivated me to finally see Falcon and Winter Soldier. Currently watching episode 2.

Later episode; I like how Bucky is
flipping a carpet knife in his hand and seems to be thinking how it could be used while he is on Sam's fishing boat...
 
Presently watching a very well-made Korean TV series at Netflix, Dear Hangrang. It is much a great Korean cinematic show, but like a lot of most outstanding shows like Mr. Good Body, it has a tragic ending. No idea why so many Asian fantasy shows trap the "good guys and girls" (the heroes) into a situation where surviving and enjoying life is not possible.

Another trend I have noticed recently in Netflix is that several of the Korean mini series (usually around 12-16 episodes), ones with outstanding leading actors and actresses, the cast engages on nothing but dumb comedic acts like what is shown in US made shows. Hopefully the Koreans movie producers won't fall into the trap of creating such shows to please dumb-down viewers. Examples of dumb shows that still have very good leading actors and actresses: "The Potato Lab", and just this week, "Tastefully Yours."

Last year I watched an impressive Korean show at Rakuten Viki, titled "My Dearest." That type of filming is what Korean movie makers are capable off, which is what I love about quality filmmaking. If Rakuten Viki would sell gift cards at the local stores (supermarkets and such) like Apple, Netflix, and so on, I would buy Rakuten gift cards. I don't use my credit card to downstream movies and other shows. I use Netflix, Amazon, iTunes (or Apple gift cards), and so on.
 
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Last week-end, I watched a few episodes of the excellent 1970s British TV series, Colditz.

This is a series with no special effects, no mood music, a relatively limited budget, and not much violence (although it is set in a POW camp, the legendary and supposedly escape proof castle of Colditz).

Instead, what you get is a (mostly) superb cast, an exceptional script, and some fascinating stories, for this is a subtle, informed, intelligent and nuanced series that takes the time to allow characters, - and settings and situations - to develop, and explores the relationships between them; some of the individual dialogues are outstanding, and while there is little overt violence, there is considerable tension, a tension informed by the threat of violence (and not only from the Germans).
 
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Last week-end, I watched a few episodes of the excellent 1970s British TV series, Colditz.

This is a series with no special effects, no mood music, a relatively limited budget, and not much violence (although it is set in a POW camp, the legendary and supposedly escape proof castle of Colditz).

Instead, what you get is a (mostly) superb cast, an exceptional script, for this is a subtle, informed, intelligent and nuanced series that takes the time to allow characters, - and settings and situations - to develop, and explores the relationships between them; some of the individual dialogues are outstanding, and while there is little overt violence, there is considerable tension, a tension informed by the threat of violence (and not only from the Germans).
Agree! Couple that to good camera work, and it turns into a show that is worth watching.
 
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