Which way did iOS 7 push you?

[cualexander]

Are you an easily confused person? Really what is there to be confused? The only difference is the launcher (and global font/color scheme) in every android . Everything else are just apps. If you dont like a particular app just change it. If you dont like font change it.

Most launchers are pretty similar to one another. There really isnt that much differences betw them. Most of them operate similarly. All have dock below with appdrawer icon. Most support multiple home/widget screens, screen overview, live wallpaper and folder. Some launchers come with proprietary widgets. Some support changing of icons.

So I dont see the fuss you kicked up about "confusion" where there isnt any to start with.

There is confusion, even amongst die-hards, over whether to get stock, touchwiz, sense, aokp, cyanogenmod, etc. Like I said, some people like all the tweaking and mindless settings. That's good for them.

 

[mib1800]

There is confusion, even amongst die-hards, over whether to get stock, touchwiz, sense, aokp, cyanogenmod, etc. Like I said, some people like all the tweaking and mindless settings. That's good for them.

I think you have not really used Android so that's why you get confused by all this. And you can't even tell the different betw launchers and custom ROMs.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I'm sure they do. They are just few and far between. Case in point. http://lifehacker.com/is-the-stock-android-galaxy-s4-better-than-a-nexus-507575112

Article talking about stock Android coming out on a non-google device as a first time event last month. Why do all the manufacturers feel like they have to build complex interfaces on top of stock Android? Surely, if it was so great in the first place they wouldn't need to do this.

Android reminds me of running Linux on the desktop (yes, I know Android is based on Linux.) There are so many variants that it all gets confusing after a while. Some people like that complexity. And that's good for them. I think that's why some people flock to it. But it also makes me appreciate Apple's design all the more. Variables just add complexity and confusion in the end.

You are thinking as if bloggers and forum posters are the majority. I personally like Samsung's Galaxy Touch Wiz better than pure Android. Most Android users are just fine using whatever manufacturer skin is on their device. The reason for pure Android coming out on non-google devices is there is a demand. Why should Samsung and HTC turn their heads at the demand? It's still a minority demand, which is why they will continue to make Touch Wiz and Sense skinned devices

And the whole "variables just add complexity" statement. If having more of a choice seems too complex, then I'll take that vs being forced to deal with limitations.

 

[onthecouchagain]

You are thinking as if bloggers and forum posters are the majority. I personally like Samsung's Galaxy Touch Wiz better than pure Android. Most Android users are just fine using whatever manufacturer skin is on their device. The reason for pure Android coming out on non-google devices is there is a demand. Why should Samsung and HTC turn their heads at the demand? It's still a minority demand, which is why they will continue to make Touch Wiz and Sense skinned devices

And the whole "variables just add complexity" statement. If having more of a choice seems too complex, then I'll take that vs being forced to deal with limitations.

Yup.

Choice isn't always easy, but it's better that it's there than not. A little research would mitigate any "confusion."

Choice is better than no choice. More choices are better than less choices. Remember this whole thing about "preferences" being so utterly important? How is choice not part of that equation.

If Apple offered consumers choices and the competition didn't (imagine if Apple offered a variety of screen size options while all Android OEMs only offered a 4" screen)... I have a feeling cualexander would be singing to a different tune about choice.

 

[jrswizzle]

Yup.

Choice isn't always easy, but it's better that it's there than not. A little research would mitigate any "confusion."

Choice is better than no choice. More choices are better than less choices. Remember this whole thing about "preferences" being so utterly important? How is choice not part of that equation.

If Apple offered consumers choices and the competition didn't (imagine if Apple offered a variety of screen size options while all Android OEMs only offered a 4" screen)... I have a feeling cualexander would be singing to a different tune about choice.

Sometimes though choice simply becomes noise.

If the package I purchase has tools that allow me to do EVERYTHING I need and want to do quickly and effectively, and better yet those tools work VERY well with my other machines' tools (because they are the same), why is that a bad thing?

I'm not saying iOS is for everyone (nor is cualexander). Just that for some of us, choice isn't this "freedom" we all want/must have. Sometimes, its nice to have everything preset to work well for you.

I happen to like both which is why I use both. I still don't get why it matters so much to you. Android can work just fine with Apple devices, you clearly hate iOS (having called it a "sick joke" and a "nightmare"), so instead of moaning about it all the time (oh, I'm sorry - "criticizing so Apple will improve"), why not just accept that iOS isn't for you and forget about it?

I respond to a lot of your posts because I'd very much like to know the answer to this question...

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Sometimes though choice simply becomes noise.

If the package I purchase has tools that allow me to do EVERYTHING I need and want to do quickly and effectively, and better yet those tools work VERY well with my other machines' tools (because they are the same), why is that a bad thing?

I'm not saying iOS is for everyone (nor is cualexander). Just that for some of us, choice isn't this "freedom" we all want/must have. Sometimes, its nice to have everything preset to work well for you.

Yes, I agree ... like you said ... sometimes. In the case that cualexander is speaking of, it really doesn't apply. Android phones today are as easy to use out the box as iOS/iPhone.

He is basically trying to say that having to many flavors of Android is confusing. That's like saying Baskin Robbins is too confusing cause they offer 31+ flavors and the ice cream truck which only offers about 3 is more suitable for they average person.

The average person is doing just fine with the decision of choosing from tons of differ TVs, vehicles, clothes, laptops and etc. What makes the choice of smartphones any differ? If one makes a wrong choice, they can easily take it back.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Sometimes though choice simply becomes noise.

If the package I purchase has tools that allow me to do EVERYTHING I need and want to do quickly and effectively, and better yet those tools work VERY well with my other machines' tools (because they are the same), why is that a bad thing?

I'm not saying iOS is for everyone (nor is cualexander). Just that for some of us, choice isn't this "freedom" we all want/must have. Sometimes, its nice to have everything preset to work well for you.

I happen to like both which is why I use both. I still don't get why it matters so much to you. Android can work just fine with Apple devices, you clearly hate iOS (having called it a "sick joke" and a "nightmare"), so instead of moaning about it all the time (oh, I'm sorry - "criticizing so Apple will improve"), why not just accept that iOS isn't for you and forget about it?

I respond to a lot of your posts because I'd very much like to know the answer to this question...

Sorry the truth about iOS hurts you so much. You take it so personally.

 

[jrswizzle]

Sorry the truth about iOS hurts you so much. You take it so personally.

Again, all you do is deflect. I'm not hurt at all - I have no problem using both platforms and there are things I like about each. Its curiosity, nothing personal.

And for whatever reason you still can't give me a straight answer.....

 

[cualexander]

Yup.

Choice isn't always easy, but it's better that it's there than not. A little research would mitigate any "confusion."

Choice is better than no choice. More choices are better than less choices. Remember this whole thing about "preferences" being so utterly important? How is choice not part of that equation.

If Apple offered consumers choices and the competition didn't (imagine if Apple offered a variety of screen size options while all Android OEMs only offered a 4" screen)... I have a feeling cualexander would be singing to a different tune about choice.

There's actually a good reason why Apple doesn't have a myriad of screen sizes, it makes it much easier for developers if they don't have to worry about how things will scale to different resolutions. It's just a different philosophy. I have run Android in the past, I think my personality is not suited for it though because I became obsessed with flashing ROMs to the point I wasn't using the device anymore. I concede that Apple's philosophy does irk me sometimes, such as not being able to set default apps, but on balance, I like the usability. I like Apple not out of blind allegiance, but because of their dedication to worrying about all the little details so I don't have to. Google just released pinch to zoom in their gmail app 6 months ago, for instance, whereas Apple had that since 2007. Little detail, perhaps, but significant.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I'll reply to your points in this one post since you seem to be taking it so personally.

Sometimes though choice simply becomes noise.

Noise? You seemed to have found an Android device you like easily enough. Was it really that difficult? Could someone interested in Android really not do a little research to mitigate this so called confusion? And like Livermnyc pointed out, do return policies not exists in case people make the wrong choice? Are there not people to ask in stores? Heck, there are even people to ask in Apple stores about their simple iPhone lineup. What is so confusing about purchasing an Android device that a little research can't do? How do you wrap your head around cars, TVs, MP3 players, what food to eat, etc. and other electronics?

If the package I purchase has tools that allow me to do EVERYTHING I need and want to do quickly and effectively, and better yet those tools work VERY well with my other machines' tools (because they are the same), why is that a bad thing?

When did I say this was a bad thing? What are we up to now? Straw man #8,432?

I'm not saying iOS is for everyone (nor is cualexander). Just that for some of us, choice isn't this "freedom" we all want/must have. Sometimes, its nice to have everything preset to work well for you.

Aw, boo hoo. Choice is scary. I get sometimes people don't want choice -- I don't deny this one bit. But then you go on to wonder why terms like iSheep or blind fans exist.

I happen to like both which is why I use both. I still don't get why it matters so much to you. Android can work just fine with Apple devices, you clearly hate iOS (having called it a "sick joke" and a "nightmare"), so instead of moaning about it all the time (oh, I'm sorry - "criticizing so Apple will improve"), why not just accept that iOS isn't for you and forget about it?

I happen to use both Android and iOS, too. The end. There's really nothing I have to explain to you (or anyone) on why I post in an open forum in the alternatives section. Again, sorry the truth about iOS that I and others point out hurt you so. It's a shame you take it so personally. It really is.

Again, I would never stop anyone from criticizing Google/Android for whatever shortcomings they have. Heck, I do it myself all the time.

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There's actually a good reason why Apple doesn't have a myriad of screen sizes, it makes it much easier for developers if they don't have to worry about how things will scale to different resolutions. It's just a different philosophy. I have run Android in the past, I think my personality is not suited for it though because I became obsessed with flashing ROMs to the point I wasn't using the device anymore. I concede that Apple's philosophy does irk me sometimes, such as not being able to set default apps, but on balance, I like the usability. I like Apple not out of blind allegiance, but because of their dedication to worrying about all the little details so I don't have to. Google just released pinch to zoom in their gmail app 6 months ago, for instance, whereas Apple had that since 2007. Little detail, perhaps, but significant.

Fair enough.

See, isn't choice nice? Like the choice to go back to Apple.

 

[AppleRobert]

What percentage of buyers flocking to a retailer for a newly released iPad even care what version of iOS it is running?

 

[jrswizzle]

I'll reply to your points in this one post since you seem to be taking it so personally.



Noise? You seemed to have found an Android device you like easily enough. Was it really that difficult? Could someone interested in Android really not do a little research to mitigate this so called confusion? And like Livermnyc pointed out, do return policies not exists in case people make the wrong choice? Are there not people to ask in stores? Heck, there are even people to ask in Apple stores about their simple iPhone lineup. What is so confusing about purchasing an Android device that a little research can't do? How do you wrap your head around cars, TVs, MP3 players, what food to eat, etc. and other electronics?



When did I say this was a bad thing? What are we up to now? Straw man #8,432?



Aw, boo hoo. Choice is scary. I get sometimes people don't want choice -- I don't deny this one bit. But then you go on to wonder why terms like iSheep or blind fans exist.



I happen to use both Android and iOS, too. The end. There's really nothing I have to explain to you (or anyone) on why I post in an open forum in the alternatives section. Again, sorry the truth about iOS that I and others point out hurt you so. It's a shame you take it so personally. It really is.

Again, I would never stop anyone from criticizing Google/Android for whatever shortcomings they have. Heck, I do it myself all the time.

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Fair enough.
See, isn't choice nice? Like the choice to go back to Apple.

Holy cow.....

Alright bud.

 

[maflynn]

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