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Always laugh at the TESLA suckers travelling here, have to go into our main shopping centre while waiting for their cars to charge, what a nightmare.
 

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Always laugh at the TESLA suckers travelling here, have to go into our main shopping centre while waiting for their cars to charge, what a nightmare.
what's the point calling folks driving a certain car brand names? And what you call a nightmare is only what you make out of it for yourself.
I think you made it crystal clear how you feel about EVs, got it. Time to move on.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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95% of my charging is done whilst I'm working and its sat in the office car park. So whilst you are having to go to the gas station (after all time is money) then filling up (gas is money!), I'd just sat at work earning money and not wasting my time.

Clearly EV's aren't for you. But obviously you want to continue to post in a thread called Who has or is planning to get an EV.

Yep ours is plugged in charging while we are fast asleep and often also charged outside my wife’s office building while she works. Probably only used public chargers 10 times ever and always at our convenience. EV’s aren’t for everybody thank goodness and I hope it remains this way for a very long time.
 

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Yep ours is plugged in charging while we are fast asleep and often also charged outside my wife’s office building while she works. Probably only used public chargers 10 times ever and always at our convenience. EV’s aren’t for everybody thank goodness and I hope it remains this way for a very long time.
No solar panels?
 

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While there is a nugget of truth in this, it is still a false equivalency. No combustion cars are cleaner than non-combustion cars. Progress is made all the time, making the world better, including improving the environment. We are surrounded by successes everywhere.

This type of argument is essentially: nothing is perfect so why try?

By that logic, these would be true and sound notions:

1. Every day when I drive to work, most people are speeding. Speed limits don't work, so why try? We should just get rid of them and stop fooling ourselves. People driving the speed limit slow down traffic, and cause road rage, so speed limits actually make our roads more dangerous.

2. My cousin is a police officer, and he arrests criminals regularly. But every day, there is more crime. Policing does not work. We should stop wasting money on police and courts, and just deal with crime ourselves.
I have already explained that the main efforts should be to make both EV and ICE automobiles safer and more efficient, something that is being done each day. This is of utmost importance for the consumer, regardless of which type of vehicle he or she drives.

There is not such thing as a clean automobile (car, truck, and so on). As mentioned by others, to build both and EV and a similar-size ICE automobile requires somewhat similar carbon footprints. Two years later the EV has closed the similarities, while the ICE automobile continues emitting hazardous fumes through its lifespan. However, the industries must continue gathering the materials for the construction of automobile parts, the distribution, delivery and sale, for both EVs and ICE automobiles. It all means that, as I mentioned before, the main difference relates to the ICE automobile emitting hazardous gasses (out the tailpipe), while the EV does not. However, the efforts to make internal combustion engines safer and more efficient continues, just as much as EV batteries.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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I’ve noticed when counteracting views by posting articles that prove something on the contrary, it’s easily dismissed because a view is a view.

That car dealership that burnt down in south wales that I shared was not caused by an EV, although many EV’s were in the fire itself, making things difficult. However, a lot of the public opinion is that an EV caused it and no amount of fire service statements and investigation outcomes will change that. We are in an era now where EV fires will make the news, but dozens of ICE vehicle fires will not, because readers aren’t interested in those.
 
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I’ve noticed when counteracting views by posting articles that prove something on the contrary, it’s easily dismissed because a view is a view.

That car dealership that burnt down in south wales that I shared was not caused by an EV, although many EV’s were in the fire itself, making things difficult. However, a lot of the public opinion is that an EV caused it and no amount of fire service statements and investigation outcomes will change that. We are in an era now where EV fires will make the news, but dozens of ICE vehicle fires will not, because readers aren’t interested in those.
Truth is there are certain big companies funding a lot of the misinformation around EV’s. It’s been well documented.
Unfortunately there are plenty of naive people who are only too happy to believe this fake reporting without actually reading up on the facts. Especially if it suits their own agenda.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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In reality though even though you don’t have solar panels you can bet your electricity company does. As well as wind turbines and other renewable energy sources.

It’s mostly wind near me as we are 1300ft above sea level. I can see a dozen or so large turbines on the hills from my house. In the Rhondda valley a few miles away there’s hundreds of them. We should really get a reduced rate but fat chance of that.

We only really charge our EV at home once a week and that’s only about 30%. Most of it is done at my wife’s work. When we have charged fully at home it’s cost less than £5 and that’s something I think the anti-EV crowd are unaware of, just how cheap it is.
 

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I have already explained that the main efforts should be to make both EV and ICE automobiles safer and more efficient, something that is being done each day. This is of utmost importance for the consumer, regardless of which type of vehicle he or she drives.

There is not such thing as a clean automobile (car, truck, and so on). As mentioned by others, to build both and EV and a similar-size ICE automobile requires somewhat similar carbon footprints. Two years later the EV has closed the similarities, while the ICE automobile continues emitting hazardous fumes through its lifespan. However, the industries must continue gathering the materials for the construction of automobile parts, the distribution, delivery and sale, for both EVs and ICE automobiles. It all means that, as I mentioned before, the main difference relates to the ICE automobile emitting hazardous gasses (out the tailpipe), while the EV does not. However, the efforts to make internal combustion engines safer and more efficient continues, just as much as EV batteries.
More efficient cars is definitely the answer. Unfortunately as quickly as improvements are made in efficiency the cars just become more bloated.
For example tail gates now have a motor and mechanism to close at the touch of a button. What was wrong with closing them manually? It just adds weight.
That’s just one example of course. Making cars heavier is not helping.

Of course EV’s drive train is more efficient than the most efficient ICE engine or hybrid. But the bigger and heavier they make them, the less efficient they become.
That’s what I like about my i3. It’s a shame that BMW moved away from using light weight materials and cutting edge design and basically swapped to big bloated SUV’s.
 

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It’s mostly wind near me as we are 1300ft above sea level. I can see a dozen or so large turbines on the hills from my house. In the Rhondda valley a few miles away there’s hundreds of them. We should really get a reduced rate but fat chance of that.

We only really charge our EV at home once a week and that’s only about 30%. Most of it is done at my wife’s work. When we have charged fully at home it’s cost less than £5 and that’s something I think the anti-EV crowd are unaware of, just how cheap it is.
We are with Octopus and they have been having one hour free electricity sessions the last few weeks.
They are great if you are at home and it then costs nothing.
As my car is charged for free anyway we just charge the lawnmower batteries and iPads instead!
 

Reverend Benny

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Still amazed that people feel that have to choose a "side" and stick to it when it comes to EV and ICE cars. Why not try and see the pros and cons and widen the perspective a little.

Personally I drive a CNG/petrol car at the moment, CNG is environmental friendlier but the main reason is that I don't have the option to charge during the night where I live (rented flat).

Whenever I get the option to charge during night i'll get myself an EV or a newer PHEV (Cupra Leon PHEV has a 120km range on battery).
PHEV is a bit of a compromise but might be what suits me best at the moment.
 

Reverend Benny

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It’s mostly wind near me as we are 1300ft above sea level. I can see a dozen or so large turbines on the hills from my house. In the Rhondda valley a few miles away there’s hundreds of them. We should really get a reduced rate but fat chance of that.

We only really charge our EV at home once a week and that’s only about 30%. Most of it is done at my wife’s work. When we have charged fully at home it’s cost less than £5 and that’s something I think the anti-EV crowd are unaware of, just how cheap it is.
Still, the cost of buying an EV is high and its all depending on where you live and the options you have. In your case it might be cheaper but for some it might not be.

Either way in my case I'm not getting an EV cuz its cheaper to drive, weighing in all costs its not cheap to own an EV.
My main reason is for getting one is that I will never have to visit a petrol station, cost of service, silent drive, the environmental aspect and so on.

Just thought of it the other day when sitting in a traffic jam how nice it would be with a quiet non vibrating petrol-engine other than the ICE i have now that just sits there burning fuel.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Still, the cost of buying an EV is high and its all depending on where you live and the options you have. In your case it might be cheaper but for some it might not be.

Either way in my case I'm not getting an EV cuz its cheaper to drive, weighing in all costs its not cheap do own an EV.
My main reason is for getting one is that I will never have to visit a petrol station, cost of service, silent drive, the environmental aspect and so on.

Just thought of it the other day when sitting in a traffic jam how nice it would be with a quiet non vibrating petrol-engine that just sits there burning fuel.

Plenty of secondhand EV’s on the market that are the same price as comparably aged ICE cars. Sure they are expensive if you go for premium German brands and want to buy new but so are the ICE models. I think the more choice on the market, the more affordable EV’s have become. At the very bottom of the market it might be unaffordable (£3k to £7k) as all that’s available is 6 to 10 year old Nissan Leaf’s etc. The £15k to £30k bracket has a plethora of choice now.

EV’s aren’t for everyone yet, not trying to suggest they are as many households across the country would struggle to home charge, especially terraced houses and flats. I’m convinced EV’s will be one of a few viable options going forwards and hopefully they sell enough to be available, but not too many that the convenience of owning them becomes more difficult. Purely a selfish stance by me but it’s very nice at the moment to be using an EV.
 
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