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Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk
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You can buy brown noise devices if you want extra mental fatigue on long journeys. Just set it to play and you can have that continuous droning noise.
Something tells me you’ve never been in, let alone driven an EV to really offer an informed opinion on this, but whatever floats your boat.
I prefer the much quieter EV sound thanks. You feel less drained after a long journey. Can talk on the phone (hands free of course!) and listen to music without the drone of a combustion engine.
Plus of course you aren’t pumping out obnoxious gases as you drive.
There is nothing better than being able to listen to music at a low level without having to blast it over the sounds of an engine or exhaust.
No, that's already taken into account. If you compare total numbers, then ICE vehicles catch on fire thousands of times more often.
EVs catch on fire much less often and are inherently safer. Very weird attempt to "both sides" something that's objectively true.
The facts say what's better, that's who. Sorry you find reality inconvenient. Insurance companies require verifiable facts in order to make money and not go out of business.
You guys wouldn't know what a long drive is. Do 1000km, 10.5 hours straight in a day and come back to me lol.
The point I am trying to make has nothing to do with which automobile ignites more often than the other and the pollution each creates. Regardless, the construction and use of both types of automobiles leaves a trail of pollution, environmental damage and so on for the life of the vehicle. The main difference is that the ICE automobile emits harmful gasses, plus hydrocarbons whenever the engine idles, and this continues through the life of the vehicle, while the EV does not. Any harmful fumes emitted from the EV can only happen if there is a battery electrical malfunction, which is rare. I completely understand your points; as such I cannot argue with anybody about the pros and cons of either vehicle.
The truth is as follows: the only way for humankind to not harm the environment and our own health is by not existing. But there are people in isolated places, villages, and so on, who subsist from the sea and land, people who aren't industrialized, don't have automobiles, nor electrical power.
a. I believe that you misunderstood what I wrote before, which is as follows: "But putting aside the notion of both an anti-EV or a pro-EV brigade, the most important to all life and the environment is to continue our efforts to improve or make all products that we make, safer. Blaming one side or another does not make any "brigade" right."
In this case above (quoted) I wasn't referring to EV's nor ICE automobiles , but to people (two brigades). The only way is to improve batteries and engines to increase efficiency and safety.
b. The seems to be the case, at least to published reports. But as I said before, the problem with EV batteries during a fire is the intensity or extremely high temperature increase from a thermal runaway. There is no need to explain all of this, since you can read the safety instructions to combat EV and ICE automobile fires.
c. Yes, you are right. I stand corrected.
While there is a nugget of truth in this, it is still a false equivalency. No combustion cars are cleaner than non-combustion cars. Progress is made all the time, making the world better, including improving the environment. We are surrounded by successes everywhere.
This type of argument is essentially: nothing is perfect so why try?
By that logic, these would be true and sound notions:
1. Every day when I drive to work, most people are speeding. Speed limits don't work, so why try? We should just get rid of them and stop fooling ourselves. People driving the speed limit slow down traffic, and cause road rage, so speed limits actually make our roads more dangerous.
2. My cousin is a police officer, and he arrests criminals regularly. But every day, there is more crime. Policing does not work. We should stop wasting money on police and courts, and just deal with crime ourselves.
Your daily commute really sucks….
No I couldn’t drive 10 hours straight in a day. I need to stop to pee and drink and eat.
So charging the car whilst I do that (say 3-4 long journeys a year) is no issue.
Driving for that long without a break is dangerous.
Meanwhile 99% of my journeys don’t require charging stops. 100% of my journeys don’t pump out harmful gases into the environment.
Like every EV driver I’ve ever spoken to, I’m never buying another ICE car. So last century technology.
I don’t think anybody is suggesting producing cars and just about any product does not have some carbon footprint. Anything that uses metal, plastic or rubber will contain a background to some degree where it’s not environmentally friendly. It’s possible to improve as much as we can though and EV’s may not be green to produce, but they don’t emit emissions once in use and that has to be a good thing. Not suggesting everybody gets an EV as that is unrealistic at this point in time. Plus I don’t want everybody to get EV’s because I’m enjoying the benefits of easy parking and charging far too much. But, those that do are at least reducing emissions a little bit at a time.
I have absolutely no desire to drive 1000km in a day to be brutally honest. It would be impossible to do that where I live anyway as traffic and congestion simply wouldn’t allow you to achieve it.
We get it though. You like driving for 10.5 hours a day in a noisy car and you’re welcome to it.
That is like driving from Virginia to Florida in the US (I actually think that trip is longer distance than yours). Which I've done before in my EV. IIRC it was like a 11-12 hour trip.
The carbon footprint of building an EV is only really an issue for the first 2 years. After that it’s miles better than a gas guzzler. Especially if your electricity is powered by renewables.
Now some countries are better at renewables than others. Funny thing is I guessed which country would be bottom before I looked it up!
Hmm not surprised by the top or bottom countries. Except seeing Brazil near the top, very good but they went big on ethanol from sugar cane years ago, my father's company worked with Brazil in the 1980s. Switzerland and Canada are ok, could be better though.
You didn’t provide any context at all, just a vague challenge for the rest of us to drive 10.5 hours a day because the rest of us ‘don’t know what a long drive is’. What are you, a long distance lorry driver or something?
Not to mention the pollution from the oil drilling, transportation, refining and delivery to the car.
People underestimate this, most refineries have a power station nearby because they consume so much energy.
No I just travel the state for my business sometimes.
Even visiting my father is over 5 hours drive.
Indeed. As does making any car. Many of the materials are very similar. But once an EV is made it is a lot more efficient than any ICE vehicle. Even more so if you drive a lightweight EV like mine made from carbon fibre and aluminium etc.
Every few months someone pops up on this thread telling all us EV owners how they won't work for their strange edge case scenario and how they are a fire risk or bad for the environment compared to ICE engines.
Meanwhile all the EV owners I know love their cars. Easy to drive, fun too if you want them to be.
I charged mine up at work today for free. I've spent less than £100 on fuel in 2+ years of ownership. Previously I was paying close to double that a month.
Till your better needs replacing then will be spending big bucks, and what happens to your battery land fill.
My car is a tax right off earns me my living, cost doesn’t matter, time is money, sitting around waiting or looking for a charging station while on the road would be a nightmare lol
My car is a tax right off earns me my living, cost doesn’t matter, time is money, sitting around waiting or looking for a charging station while on the road would be a nightmare lol
95% of my charging is done whilst I'm working and its sat in the office car park. So whilst you are having to go to the gas station (after all time is money) then filling up (gas is money!), I'd just sat at work earning money and not wasting my time.
Clearly EV's aren't for you. But obviously you want to continue to post in a thread called Who has or is planning to get an EV.