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The-Real-Deal82

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All except for the range, yes for sure! I love French cars too, I learned to drive stick on a Peugeot 504 in high school. I wish we could get them here.

I wouldn’t touch a French EV with a barge pole personally. I’m still a member of the Peugeot forums from my time owning a 3008 and there are absolute horror stories concerning their EV’s. I’ve owned quite a few Citroen and Peugeot in my life and electrics have always been their Achilles heal.
 

profcutter

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I wouldn’t touch a French EV with a barge pole personally. I’m still a member of the Peugeot forums from my time owning a 3008 and there are absolute horror stories concerning their EV’s. I’ve owned quite a few Citroen and Peugeot in my life and electrics have always been their Achilles heal.
Well it’s all fiat now, right? I mean I wouldn’t touch a jeep or Chrysler product either. Then again, we have two VWs as usual so I have no standing whatsoever when it comes to rational car buying.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Jun 22, 2014
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I wouldn’t touch a French EV with a barge pole personally. I’m still a member of the Peugeot forums from my time owning a 3008 and there are absolute horror stories concerning their EV’s. I’ve owned quite a few Citroen and Peugeot in my life and electrics have always been their Achilles heal.
Didn’t know Renault is the same as Peugeot and Citroen and Vauxhall etc. I don’t think you can generalise like that for a whole country.
 

The-Real-Deal82

macrumors P6
Jan 17, 2013
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Well it’s all fiat now, right? I mean I wouldn’t touch a jeep or Chrysler product either. Then again, we have two VWs as usual so I have no standing whatsoever when it comes to rational car buying.

It is a minefield and to be honest we all tend to buy based on our experience. I know plenty of people who buy French cars and love them and don’t have issues. I buy German cars but even those aren’t as reliable as the myth suggests. My Audi A4 now has a wheel bearing failure and it’s only done 44k but that’s life. I only say about French EV’s because French cars have always been known to have reliable engines and poor electrics over the years, a bit like Fiats lol. This generation of cars is all very new and at this point there’s not a bough data to truly tell us what is the most reliable EV brand, although Tesla tops the Whatcar and Euro N-Cap surveys for reliability in this sector, Audi and Polestar are very good too.
 
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Swissfashion

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Sep 15, 2020
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I bought a used (certified pre-owned approved) Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo this summer. It replaces a VW ID.3.
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Swissfashion

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Sep 15, 2020
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RWD model? How do you like is so far? Seems a bit bigger than the ID.3 though.
The base model of the CT has all-wheel drive and a greater range of adjustable ride heights, which is what I wanted (mountain roads in winter, occasional gravel roads rest of the year).

I love it. Comfort, versatility, sportiveness. The adaptive air suspension is fabulous. The car sticks to the road on tight corners (mountain roads) but also at high speeds (German autobahn). Less than a year old with low mileage and 40% rebate on list price. Also the car looks great. You definitely get seen (admiring looks), and most cars will give way. Porsche service may cost more, but is top notch.

Porsche's slogan is "drive fast, charge fast" and the 270kW charging speeds make range inconsequential (at least in Central Europe, where high speed 300kWchargers are readily available near you)

Yes, a big step up from the ID.3, but when looking at new prices for ID.4 GTX, the Porsche was a bargain in comparison.
 
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cyb3rdud3

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The base model of the CT has all-wheel drive and a greater range of adjustable ride heights, which is what I wanted (mountain roads in winter, occasional gravel roads rest of the year).

I love it. Comfort, versatility, sportiveness. The adaptive air suspension is fabulous. The car sticks to the road on tight corners (mountain roads) but also at high speeds (German autobahn). Less than a year old with low mileage and 40% rebate on list price. Also the car looks great. You definitely get seen (admiring looks), and most cars will give way. Porsche service may cost more, but is top notch.

Porsche's slogan is "drive fast, charge fast" and the 270kW charging speeds make range inconsequential (at least in Central Europe, where high speed 300kWchargers are readily available near you)

Yes, a big step up from the ID.3, but when looking at new prices for ID.4 GTX, the Porsche was a bargain in comparison.
Yes very nice. And as you, the charging speed combined with the charging curve is the truly important factor that some seem to forget. And the Taycan is one of the best there is.

I’d love one; enjoy.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Jun 22, 2014
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Nice review from Kyle & Jordan from Out of Spec Reviews of the Polestar 3. It has taken Polestar way, way, way too long to release it, but it is here now. Includes a fun history lesson regarding Polestar for those not familiar with the brand.

Funny how he is annoyed with the DC charging flap, can't say I've even ever thought about it. Don't see it as an issue at all. His comments regarding 250kW charging may be true in the USA for 400v architecture, however in Europe that is no issue at all. Will work just fine.

And nice for us within the EU, it won't be subjected to increased list price despite being China build.

 

cosmichobo

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May 4, 2006
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I’ve had ideas of turning a Nissan 280zx (my first car) electric since the year 2000. Back then it was basically not feasible. Now? About $40k AU for a car and $40k to convert it.

BUT the more I think about it, the less I like the idea… Dead EV car batteries are set to be a major recycling problem, and they use a lot of resources…

So more and more I’m thinking A hydrogen conversion is the way to go… at least once green hydrogen is resolved.
 
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diamond.g

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Mar 20, 2007
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I’ve had ideas of turning a Nissan 280zx (my first car) electric since the year 2000. Back then it was basically not feasible. Now? About $40k AU for a car and $40k to convert it.

BUT the more I think about it, the less I like the idea… Dead EV car batteries are set to be a major recycling problem, and they use a lot of resources…

So more and more I’m thinking A hydrogen conversion is the way to go… at least once green hydrogen is resolved.
It is likely the batteries can be used for stationary storage, no?
 
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cyb3rdud3

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It is likely the batteries can be used for stationary storage, no?
Exactly, once after a couple of million miles the batteries are no longer great for the power to support a car. They are still great for a home storage solution. I know of people using older Nissan Leafs for just that as they already had V2L/V2H chargers.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Jun 22, 2014
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I’ve had ideas of turning a Nissan 280zx (my first car) electric since the year 2000. Back then it was basically not feasible. Now? About $40k AU for a car and $40k to convert it.
AUD $40K to convert seems incredibly low. Even if you have a donor car for the battery parts.
BUT the more I think about it, the less I like the idea… Dead EV car batteries are set to be a major recycling problem, and they use a lot of resources…
The batteries can support way more miles than most people will ever drive a car. And even then, when finished, they are still perfectly suitable for home storage.
So more and more I’m thinking A hydrogen conversion is the way to go… at least once green hydrogen is resolved.
You need a lot of electricity, and a large non existent infrastructure
 
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diamond.g

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AUD $40K to convert seems incredibly low. Even if you have a donor car for the battery parts.

The batteries can support way more miles than most people will ever drive a car. And even then, when finished, they are still perfectly suitable for home storage.

You need a lot of electricity, and a large non existent infrastructure
The thing that I am curious about with hydrogen is if the tanks need to be pressure tested. I know with scuba tanks and co2 tanks for paintball you have to get the tanks pressure tested every 3-5 years. Seems like you'd have to do the same thing for hydrogen since it is under a lot of pressure.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Jun 22, 2014
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Well Geely (Volvo, Polestar, Lotus, Zeekr) is going for it. The Polestar 5 and Zeekr 007 need just 15 to be full. So in reality that will be less than 10 minutes as you won’t really be empty.

 

diamond.g

macrumors G4
Mar 20, 2007
11,407
2,641
OBX
Well Geely (Volvo, Polestar, Lotus, Zeekr) is going for it. The Polestar 5 and Zeekr 007 need just 15 to be full. So in reality that will be less than 10 minutes as you won’t really be empty.

I can't get google translate to work at work, but is the the Zeekr that they charged using a 900kw fast charger?
 

Tagbert

macrumors 603
Jun 22, 2011
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I’ve had ideas of turning a Nissan 280zx (my first car) electric since the year 2000. Back then it was basically not feasible. Now? About $40k AU for a car and $40k to convert it.

BUT the more I think about it, the less I like the idea… Dead EV car batteries are set to be a major recycling problem, and they use a lot of resources…

So more and more I’m thinking A hydrogen conversion is the way to go… at least once green hydrogen is resolved.
While the volumes of batteries that are ready for recycling is tiny right now, it will grow, but lots of companies are working on ways to fully recycle the materials. That is a lot more likely than finding a feasible way to make green hydrogen.

 
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