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JT2002TJ

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Couldn’t disagree more. I use CarPlay which works ideally with the idrive or Siri if you prefer? Tesla’s can’t do that can they?

No need. They actually developed a good UI... GPS works perfectly, they have integrated Apple Music/Youtube Music/Amazon Music/Podcast Apps.

Tesla has added camera (speed and redlight) notifications blended right into the UI.

The only thing I miss without CarPlay is crowdsourced police notifications within Waze. But I get having to have CarPlay if the vehicle's UI isn't as good as Tesla/Rivian.

;)
 

JT2002TJ

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Would it work on the sort of lanes that I drive on that are common here? Single lane. If you meet a car coming the other way one of you has to reverse and pull into a passing point (the frequency of these varies greatly!). Often they are only 6 inches wider than the two cars put together if one is a farm vehicle.

I can’t see any self driving ever dealing with that.

My street in Long Island NY has parked cars on both sides with only enough for 1 car to pass. FSDs will pull into an empty spot to let on coming vehicles pass, and will move ahead as oncoming traffic does the same. NYC has many many roads with double and triple parked cars, FSDs will navigate around them.

It will not reverse for you though. Not yet at least. So, if there is no option to pull in, and the only option is to reverse, you will have to take over.

A lot of the training data comes from San Francisco, where there are rolling hills, narrow streets, with lots of things similar to narrow UK roads. But it would still take time for FSDs to learn UK before it would catch up to how well it works in the US.
 

Apple fanboy

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No need. They actually developed a good UI... GPS works perfectly, they have integrated Apple Music/Youtube Music/Amazon Music/Podcast Apps.

Tesla has added camera (speed and redlight) notifications blended right into the UI.

The only thing I miss without CarPlay is crowdsourced police notifications within Waze. But I get having to have CarPlay if the vehicle's UI isn't as good as Tesla/Rivian.

;)
Like I said we will agree to differ. You think that is better I don’t. Using Apple Maps suits me. All the destinations I’ve looked up are there. My contacts locations are there. The integration with my diary is just there.
It just works. Clearly you need to think different! 🤪
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hobowankenobi

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on the land line mr. smith.
Couldn’t disagree more. I use CarPlay which works ideally with the idrive or Siri if you prefer? Tesla’s can’t do that can they?
And I couldn't disagree more with you. Wife's car has CarPlay, I have a 2024 model 3. No comparison for me. Tesla wins hands down. Not everything is better, but if I scored about 10 different things, it would be something like 8 to 2 points awarded to Tesla compared to CarPlay.
 

Apple fanboy

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My street in Long Island NY has parked cars on both sides with only enough for 1 car to pass. FSDs will pull into an empty spot to let on coming vehicles pass, and will move ahead as oncoming traffic does the same. NYC has many many roads with double and triple parked cars, FSDs will navigate around them.

It will not reverse for you though. Not yet at least. So, if there is no option to pull in, and the only option is to reverse, you will have to take over.
The lanes are so tight I’d not want it driving anyway. Depending on the way the hedges have overgrown or how much of the lane has washed away. It’s pretty difficult for a human sometimes!
 

JT2002TJ

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Would it work on the sort of lanes that I drive on that are common here? Single lane. If you meet a car coming the other way one of you has to reverse and pull into a passing point (the frequency of these varies greatly!). Often they are only 6 inches wider than the two cars put together if one is a farm vehicle.

I can’t see any self driving ever dealing with that.

I'm trying to find you some examples of narrow roads with the latest generation of FSDs.

 

Apple fanboy

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And I couldn't disagree more with you. Wife's car has CarPlay, I have a 2024 model 3. No comparison for me. Tesla wins hands down. Not everything is better, but if I scored about 10 different things, it would be something like 8 to 2 points awarded to Tesla.
Like I said we all have different opinions. I like the battery and charging on a Tesla. But that’s about it.
 

I7guy

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No need. They actually developed a good UI... GPS works perfectly, they have integrated Apple Music/Youtube Music/Amazon Music/Podcast Apps.

Tesla has added camera (speed and redlight) notifications blended right into the UI.

The only thing I miss without CarPlay is crowdsourced police notifications within Waze. But I get having to have CarPlay if the vehicle's UI isn't as good as Tesla/Rivian.

;)
Tesla appears to be gunning for the Waze crowd by integrating more roadside information. One of the things I read (rumors) Tesla is testing is using the cameras and their nter-connected network of cars to send real-time detail notifications about road conditions an hazards in the area you are driving to your Tesla.

Additionally, granted a lot of these conversations are completely subjective except the gem that states if it’s a “generic taxicab “ it can’t have a premium interior. :rolleyes:
 

JT2002TJ

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Like I said we will agree to differ. You think that is better I don’t. Using Apple Maps suits me. All the destinations I’ve looked up are there. My contacts locations are there. The integration with my diary is just there.
It just works. Clearly you need to think different! 🤪
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Just FYI, if you grant access to your address book Tesla has all your contacts, which you can manually search for in the UI, or use Teslas voice commands to set as the destination or phone call. Their search for businesses has yet to let me down. Also, when I get into my car, the next destination in my calendar is already set in the GPS. As long as you put the address in your calendar that you grant Tesla access to.
 
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Apple fanboy

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Just FYI, if you grant access to your address book Tesla has all your contacts, which you can manually search for in the UI, or use Teslas voice commands to set as the destination or phone call. Their search for businesses has yet to let me down. Also, when I get into my car, the next destination in my calendar is already set in the GPS. As long as you put the address in your calendar that you grant Tesla access to.
No tah. I’ll not want to share my data with Tesla thanks.
 
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JT2002TJ

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Not sure there is a difference, but I don’t need to with CarPlay. No extra steps or apps needed.

People who use Waze in CarPlay, typically share contacts with the app. This way when you are using waze in CarPlay you can find your contact's addresses.

It isn't sharing your contacts with Tesla, it's just allowing the Tesla app to use your in phone address database.
 

JT2002TJ

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Not a great example but this sort of thing. The hedges are trimmed really well on this one. They aren’t always that good!

It will pull off to the side (even off the road) as best as it can. But for now, it wont reverse. When you are on a road like the link image where you have to back up, you would have to do it yourself. But to get to where it can handle these, we have to solve regular roads. We are on our way to it.
 

dmr727

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I love my i4, but I have to admit that while the interior feels great, I'm not convinced that it's significantly better than an Acura/Lexus level (which is what I'm previously familiar with). My Tesla experience is only a few days with an S, and while I'm enough of a traditionalist to prefer the way BMW treats their interior design, from a premium materials standpoint I'm not convinced my i4 is any better.

That said it's an awesome car, and I'm glad Tesla owners are happy too!
 

oneMadRssn

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In Europe there are a ton of BMWs a Mercedes used as taxicabs. Anything that is used as a “generic taxicab” is not premium.
Exactly! Because unlike for the US market, BMWs and Mercedes make non-premium models for the European market. In Europe you can get a bare-bones BMW/Mercedes without stitched leather, without a heated steering wheel and seats, without all the infotainment bells and whistles. There, it is possible to get a BMW 3-series that is akin to a Camry.
 

I7guy

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Not a great example but this sort of thing. The hedges are trimmed really well on this one. They aren’t always that good!
I think Teslas push into AI will ultimately make being able to navigate anywhere a vehicle can safely travel - not saying FSD isn’t good enough if it can’t navigate the edge cases as shown here.

I get it if someone lives on unpaved, umimproved and unmarked roads there will be these cases where maybe full self driving of any type would not work.
 

oneMadRssn

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One of the things I read (rumors) Tesla is testing is using the cameras and their nter-connected network of cars to send real-time detail notifications about road conditions an hazards in the area you are driving to your Tesla.
Volvo already does this, and it's not as useful as crowdsourced cellphone data. I actually used to work for a division of teleatlas back in the day, and there is pretty much nothing that can possibly beat the traffic and road conditions data that Google and Apple are collecting.
 
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I7guy

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Exactly! Because unlike for the US market, BMWs and Mercedes make non-premium models for the European market. In Europe you can get a bare-bones BMW/Mercedes without stitched leather, without a heated steering wheel and seats, without all the infotainment bells and whistles. There, it is possible to get a BMW 3-series that is akin to a Camry.
The difference in the US, is the the Tesla with the premium interior that is using a livery license is the same Tesla an individual will purchase with the same premium interior.

It’s okay if you like other cars interiors more, after all most of this discussion of knobs, levers, screens, materials…is subjective. Not measurable as in 0 to 60.
 

I7guy

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Volvo already does this,
Really? My son as a new xc90 and their nav definitely doesn’t have crowdsourced data.
and it's not as useful as crowdsourced cellphone data.
No the rumor is Tesla is using their cameras and AI to take pictures of road conditions and transmit it to vehicles in the same flight path so to speak.
I actually used to work for a division of teleatlas back in the day, and there is pretty much nothing that can possibly beat the traffic and road conditions data that Google and Apple are collecting.
Tesla will if these rumors are true, because they will be using Ai and cameras to detect not only motion, but what is on the road.

An Elon if you’re following has sunk a massive amount into Ai for these purposes.
 

960design

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Would a Tesla be suitable for someone elderly who doesn't use a smartphone? I don't know the answer to this as I am asking. I have a more limited experience with them.
Limited experience with elderly people? Smartphones? Teslas? :)
I think a county with excellent public transportation would be more suitable for the elderly.
Somewhere like Japan or Denmark.
 
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960design

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Really? My son as a new xc90 and their nav definitely doesn’t have crowdsourced data.

No the rumor is Tesla is using their cameras and AI to take pictures of road conditions and transmit it to vehicles in the same flight path so to speak.

Tesla will if these rumors are true, because they will be using Ai and cameras to detect not only motion, but what is on the road.

An Elon if you’re following has sunk a massive amount into Ai for these purposes.
If that was true, my Tesla should have learned over the last couple of years to stop phantom breaking under the same bridge and at the same highway turn every single day when on cruise control. I did notice that the phantom breaking was less often when I had the full autopilot, so maybe smarter software?
 
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