Basically the same area as you, I don’t know how many times I have pulled up to a light and there are 3 other TMY’s at the same light, going the same direction as me. 2 days ago, there were 3 grey and my Blue. You cannot take a drive without passing another Tesla…. Every commute I do see other brand EVs, but it is at least 10:1 Tesla to others.
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Basically the same area as you, I don’t know how many times I have pulled up to a light and there are 3 other TMY’s at the same light, going the same direction as me. 2 days ago, there were 3 grey and my Blue. You cannot take a drive without passing another Tesla…. Every commute I do see other brand EVs, but it is at least 10:1 Tesla to others.
Which state?
I have homes in California and Minnesota. EVs are commonplace in the metropolitan areas but not so much in the more rural areas. I’ll go out on a limb to say that’s pretty representative of the entire United States and probably the world over.
He’s in NJ, I’m in Long Island NY. Yes, there are more EVs in the major metropolitan areas vs rural areas. There are also more of everything. For example I’m willingly to bet you there are more trucks too, in volume not percentages.
I’m in Texas the least EV state anyone would think about and I see them all the time. they’re not quite like Ford Mustangs or Dodge chargers, but they are common here.
It’s going to take a while before the USA catches up to the UK and other countries but we’re trying. Some of us aren’t happy about change and I emphasize with them but the future is going to come regardless of what people want.
I agree EVs can be found everywhere but question if their numbers reach ‘commonplace’ in rural areas. I know they don’t in rural areas of Minnesota. I’m in Rancho Mirage and that isn’t rural but expect the rural areas are the same Minnesota (Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, etc).
That’s my experience too. Within a generation, I bet, that difference will disappear.
Here in Western Europe EV is definitely main stream. It’s outselling any other type of engine. Charging is everywhere in every neighborhood. Homes with driveways have nearly all their own chargers. Any new apartment block or estate with parking is obligated to install chargers.
Rural areas tend to be behind everything. That doesn’t mean they aren’t common place
Relatively even in rural areas they are common place.
Rural areas tend to be behind everything. That doesn’t mean they aren’t common place
Rural drivers also tend to drive more miles. A rural driver might start their day with a 30 mile drive that takes 30 minutes. An urban driver might take the same 30 min, but only drive 10 miles. Basically the urban driver can go more days between charges so the cost of energy benefit is higher, but so is the lack of convenience.
Painting again in broad strokes, rural drivers tend to take pride in keeping equipment running as many years as physically possible while suburban and urban drivers tend to turn over their vehicles more often.
There's just a stronger case right now for EVs in cities and it's taking time for that to extend further out. If I lived 10 or 15 miles from the nearest gas station though, I'd be eager to get a solar array and EV as soon as I could afford one.
Exactly. But likewise because you can keep driving there is also increased sensitivity. Like yesterday I went hardstyle music event in the German Ruhr area, but drove back late in the evening or early morning. As good as the whole way done about 130 on automatic cruise control. It was a super efficient trip, would be even more so if I drove slower 😇🤣
And definitely. I’m doing up our new home; solar array, home battery storage, variable limits, two charging posts, and this is a city center “villa” by the water. But in a rural province. Should be sufficient for as good as off grid energy usage.
And definitely. I’m doing up our new home; solar array, home battery storage, variable limits, two charging posts, and this is a city center “villa” by the water. But in a rural province. Should be sufficient for as good as off grid energy usage.
Being an EV owner, and someone who has also lived in a pseudo rural area of TX in college, I would have loved to have had an EV. The only drawback would be a lack of service centers, but that’s something you deal with unless you buy the brand of a local dealer. So even ICE’s deal with this issue.
I never drove more than a Tesla LR 3/Y could handle in a day, and with racking up more miles, the gas/oil change/maintenance savings would have been even greater.
I never drove more than a Tesla LR 3/Y could handle in a day, and with racking up more miles, the gas/oil change/maintenance savings would have been even greater.
There will always be people who have become too old to drive, or can't keep up with pointless changes in how things are done. You will be one of them someday.
In my area it’s usually Tesla, Polestar and the Chinese brands and then followed by BMW, Porsche, Hyundai/Kia and Mercedes.
The rarest EV seems to be EQS, no doubt because it is very expensive.
The rarest EV seems to be EQS, no doubt because it is very expensive.
I found some EV registration data here:
This is the number of new EVs registered by state in 2023.
It's a little hard to make much sense of graphically because California messes with the scale-- and while knowing the number of vehicles sold in a state is useful to manufacturers it doesn't say a lot about adoption rates.
So I normalized by July 2023 population of each state (quickly transcribed from Wikipedia). This is one year of EV registrations divided by the full population, so the magnitudes are small but more directly comparable.
It's interesting, for example, that New Jersey has a much higher adoption rate than New York. Georgia and Florida much higher than South Carolina. Texas has a lot of really big cities and a population approaching that of California but much weaker adoption. Texas has only about 2/3rds the adoption rate of Florida. Etc.
I don't have registration data by census area, so can't do a true rural/suburban/urban comparison so be careful to check your stereotypes of who lives in what states.
This is the number of new EVs registered by state in 2023.
It's a little hard to make much sense of graphically because California messes with the scale-- and while knowing the number of vehicles sold in a state is useful to manufacturers it doesn't say a lot about adoption rates.
So I normalized by July 2023 population of each state (quickly transcribed from Wikipedia). This is one year of EV registrations divided by the full population, so the magnitudes are small but more directly comparable.
It's interesting, for example, that New Jersey has a much higher adoption rate than New York. Georgia and Florida much higher than South Carolina. Texas has a lot of really big cities and a population approaching that of California but much weaker adoption. Texas has only about 2/3rds the adoption rate of Florida. Etc.
I don't have registration data by census area, so can't do a true rural/suburban/urban comparison so be careful to check your stereotypes of who lives in what states.
I've been thinking about getting one for years now. It would be perfect for my use and fun to drive too. Have done several test drives in a Model 3 / Model Y and really enjoyed it, especially the new Highland refresh. Have excess solar capacity so charging would be basically free since the panels are already in and paid for. My state has a refundable tax credit on EV's and charging equip too.
On the other hand, I'm not the kind of person that likes to draw lot of attention to myself and driving a Tesla or any EV around here I'd stick out like a sore thumb which I like to avoid. As a plus, their is a Tesla store only 250 miles away now that they did an end run on the ban on direct auto sales by building on Native American Tribal land. Used to have to drive 600+ miles to get one.
On the other hand, I'm not the kind of person that likes to draw lot of attention to myself and driving a Tesla or any EV around here I'd stick out like a sore thumb which I like to avoid. As a plus, their is a Tesla store only 250 miles away now that they did an end run on the ban on direct auto sales by building on Native American Tribal land. Used to have to drive 600+ miles to get one.
I'll bet that has a lot to do with NYC being such a big part of the state population, with most of those in the city not having an easy way to charge at home. It certainly affected me - I stayed on the sidelines for eight years while living in the city, and got my first EV within weeks of moving out to the burbs.
I'll bet that has a lot to do with NYC being such a big part of the state population, with most of those in the city not having an easy way to charge at home. It certainly affected me - I stayed on the sidelines for eight years while living in the city, and got my first EV within weeks of moving out to the burbs.
That's a really good point-- I was thinking the opposite in that a lot of NY is quite rural with NYC being the exception, but your explanation probably makes more sense in that a lot of people in the densest of cities don't have a car at all.
It would be interesting to normalize by total registrations in 2023 rather than population. That might resolve those kinds of issues.
Also something to note, upstate NY has much harsher of a winter than NJ. Even though they are neighboring states, NY is basically North of all of NJ (basically, even though most of NY’s population lives south of NJ’s norther most tip in NYC, Long Island, Westchester). Upstate NY, especially by the Grate Lakes, is on the higher side of snow totals in the US (Rochester/Buffalo).
EVs are really just on the cusp of 4wd SUVs (Tesla Model Y excluded).
If I lived upstate NY, I would 100% have my TMY, but I would also have a high ground clearance SUV/Truck. Maybe a Rivian R1T, Cybertruck or Ford Lightning. Although, if I lived up there, I wouldn’t be able to afford any of those trucks…
My TMY with 20” wheels came with summer tires, I just got new tires, there is a VERY VERY limited tire selection that is good for the winter. I ended up going with a larger tire on the same wheel, as I don’t want a dedicated set of winter tires.
EVs are really just on the cusp of 4wd SUVs (Tesla Model Y excluded).
If I lived upstate NY, I would 100% have my TMY, but I would also have a high ground clearance SUV/Truck. Maybe a Rivian R1T, Cybertruck or Ford Lightning. Although, if I lived up there, I wouldn’t be able to afford any of those trucks…
My TMY with 20” wheels came with summer tires, I just got new tires, there is a VERY VERY limited tire selection that is good for the winter. I ended up going with a larger tire on the same wheel, as I don’t want a dedicated set of winter tires.
New Jersey has some good incentives: (excluding the federal tax credit)
- state rebate up to $4,000
- lower sales tax, I paid $0 sales tax
- at least 50% rebates on installations of accredited evses’
- NJ also has 5 Tesla stores plus other service locations
- NJTP and GSP ev discounts (for what it’s worth)
A lot of Jersey is burbs although it does have its rural areas.
It would be great if they did the Rivian's out here… In the heavy snow I'll just use the Polestar 😇 good clearance and traction in the snow and mud …
I7guy (et al) - I take advantage of every money saving scheme allowable by law.
Do you recognize that some people can have a reasonable issue with current level of EV technology if it requires subsides to encourage its purchase? This is genuine question without any adversarial intent.