Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[turbineseaplane]

I'll probably get some disagreement, but I don't think this car (and ones like it) should exist.

A 205kWh battery and over 9 THOUSAND pounds.

Escalade IQL

 

[adrianlondon]

I'll probably get some disagreement, but I don't think this car (and ones like it) should exist.

A 205kWh battery and over 9 THOUSAND pounds.

Escalade IQL

That's cheap!

Oh, right. Weight.

 

[russell_314]

Agreed, they offer it for free for a reason, so why not use it? Only thing that annoys me for a few seconds is when slow charging cars are hogging ultra fast chargers when their type of maximum speed charger is empty. But even then, one doesn't know what the situation is when they arrived, they could have been full...

One could argue they offered it for free, so it’s up to them. If they want to take the fast charger why should they be considerate that you want a fast charger?

This is my point that sometimes you have to should be considerate of others needs. If you’re at 75% and you know you’re going to be home with 70%, the considerate thing to do is let some that might have a lower charging percentage use that charger.

Of course this is just all my opinion and everyone knows what options are worth 😂

 

[turbineseaplane]

That's cheap!

Oh, right. Weight.

Forgot to add the price

$129,795–$153,595

🥵


Also Cadillac claims that the IQL can hit the 60-mph mark in 4.7 seconds

Incredibly dangerous to have something this heavy and ginormous flying around town.

 

[russell_314]

I'll probably get some disagreement, but I don't think this car (and ones like it) should exist.

A 205kWh battery and over 9 THOUSAND pounds.

Escalade IQL

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The big problem with cars like this is safety. You have smaller cars on the road and then you have something that weighs 5 tons. It’s the same with big pickup trucks. If this thing runs into a Mitsubishi Mirage everyone in the car is done.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Meanwhile, Tesla has just missed its own deadline for putting more affordable cars into production.

I've discussed this with a few other people. I think they on purpose did not release a cheaper model. There really is no need for Tesla to produce a vehicle cheaper than the TM3. A TM3 is already $35k with $7,500 credit (LR RWD). How much cheaper of a vehicle do they need to make? What EV's are cheaper (in US/CA)?

There already is a cheaper Tesla... 3-year-old lease return TM3 RWDs. They are $25k with $4k credit (RWD).

A cheaper than $35k vehicle made sense when TM3 were $60k. Now that they are $35k, the TM3 IS the cheaper vehicle...

At most, they can release a TM3 with cheaper interiors (fabric seats, remove Heated/Cooled seats, remove wood/fabric trim,...) and come out with a $30k with $7,500 credit vehicle.

Vehicles aren't cheap anymore, a Honda Civic starts at $25k...

 

[turbineseaplane]

A TM3 is already $35k with $7,500 credit (LR RWD).

What about when the $7,500 goes away?

(which it absolutely is going to)

 

[BigMcGuire]

The $7500 was a big reason why I got my Tesla. Was able to apply it to the vehicle purchase the day I bought it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

The $7500 was a big reason why I got my Tesla. Was able to apply it to the vehicle purchase the day I bought it.

Same for me with the preowned credit of $4k

 

[JT2002TJ]

What about when the $7,500 goes away?

(which it absolutely is going to)

It 100% will go away. There still is the off-lease market.

How can Tesla make a much cheaper vehicle? They would have to create factories to produce it, and batteries already cost $15k? The way to do it, is to keep the current factory, and find a way to reduce that vehicles cost. China can do it because they can make batteries at slave labor costs. We can't, so, how do you make a vehicle around a $15k battery and still sell it for $25k?

And then, even if they could, they are then competing with their off-lease vehicles.

What I think Tesla should do is, create a 2nd layer of lease. You pick out an off lease vehicle and lease that for 3 years. That would create a secondary layer of leasers. Tesla can extend their bumper-to-bumper to a year and so many miles beyond that lease return.

 

[turbineseaplane]

It 100% will go away. There still is the off-lease market.

How can Tesla make a much cheaper vehicle? They would have to create factories to produce it, and batteries already cost $15k? The way to do it, is to keep the current factory, and find a way to reduce that vehicles cost. China can do it because they can make batteries at slave labor costs. We can't, so, how do you make a vehicle around a $15k battery and still sell it for $25k?

And then, even if they could, they are then competing with their off-lease vehicles.

It probably starts with smaller batteries.
Just a different concept altogether -- more of a daily driver/city car market.

Also, the prices of batteries per kWh continue to drop, even in the US, so there is a component of skating to the puck here.


There has to be a way.

The Chevy Equinox EV 1LT (base model) has an 85 kWh battery in a $35k car (before any discounts).

The Std Range Model 3 has only a 50 kWh battery.

 

[timber]

I'll probably get some disagreement, but I don't think this car (and ones like it) should exist.

A 205kWh battery and over 9 THOUSAND pounds.

Escalade IQL

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I wouldn't be able to drive that here.

Our regular driver licenses allow up to 3500 kg (4250 towing). Above that you need a commercial licence.

There was some talk about changing this but I'm nor certain if it went forward.

PS: 3500 kg 7717 pounds 4250 kg 9370 pounds.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Our regular driver licenses allow up to 3500 kg (4250 towing). Above that you need a commercial licence.

Meanwhile, in the US, "Karen" will be the only person in this thing most of the time, and mostly use this urban assault tank to pick up Tristan & Carver from soccer practice.

Hopefully they feel "safe".

 

[diamond.g]

a lot of the weight is the battery. Sadly the youtube below is why it has a battery so large

folks talk about wanting to drive a ridiculous amount of miles before having to charge. for the most part you need a really big battery (I am super ignoring lucid right now) to do that.

 

[turbineseaplane]

a lot of the weight is the battery. Sadly the youtube below is why it has a battery so large

folks talk about wanting to drive a ridiculous amount of miles before having to charge. for the most part you need a really big battery (I am super ignoring lucid right now) to do that.

Do we know how tall the presenter is?

That hood height looks incredibly hazardous for pedestrians, cyclists, kids, etc

 

[russell_314]

Do we know how tall the presenter is?

That hood height looks incredibly hazardous for pedestrians, cyclists, kids, etc

It doesn’t look any higher than most pickup trucks I’ve seen. Perhaps you’re not in the USA though. Our huge vehicles are a shock to people from other countries.

 

[timber]

Do we know how tall the presenter is?

That hood height looks incredibly hazardous for pedestrians, cyclists, kids, etc

The car itself according to Cadillac is 78.4 inches (curiously almost exactly 2 meters)

 

[BigMcGuire]

WOW. What a vehicle. My Tesla Model 3 has a what, 80-82 kWh battery? I can't imagine a 222 kWh battery and what that must feel like... and I've driven Ford Expeditions - the ones where you're eye to eye with semi truck drivers, lol (got it as a rental car cuz it was the last one they had left one time). Haha

 

[Apple fanboy]

I'll probably get some disagreement, but I don't think this car (and ones like it) should exist.

A 205kWh battery and over 9 THOUSAND pounds.

Escalade IQL

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I agree with you. Probably won’t be offered or do well in my Country

 

[Apple fanboy]

It doesn’t look any higher than most pickup trucks I’ve seen. Perhaps you’re not in the USA though. Our huge vehicles are a shock to people from other countries.

I thought they needed to be for the occupants? 😝

 

[turbineseaplane]

WOW. What a vehicle. My Tesla Model 3 has a what, 80-82 kWh battery? I can't imagine a 222 kWh battery and what that must feel like... and I've driven Ford Expeditions - the ones where you're eye to eye with semi truck drivers, lol (got it as a rental car cuz it was the last one they had left one time). Haha

Sad...
Can you even make it to a grocery store with that little thing?

/s
(hopefully obvious)

 

[JT2002TJ]

It probably starts with smaller batteries.
Just a different concept altogether -- more of a daily driver/city car market.

Also, the prices of batteries per kWh continue to drop, even in the US, so there is a component of skating to the puck here.


There has to be a way.

The Chevy Equinox EV 1LT (base model) has an 85 kWh battery in a $35k car (before any discounts).

The Std Range Model 3 has only a 50 kWh battery.

But you are missing the second part to what I was saying... It would compete with their own product. Leasing is a HUGE market. A 3-year-old off lease TM3 is already in the $25k price range. And once the $4k used incentive goes away, it is up to Tesla to reduce the price if they want to in that market.

Part 1 is profitability, Part 2 is market...

If there is such a huge market for these cheap $20k vehicles, where are they? Even ICE vehicles have priced out of that market...

 

[turbineseaplane]

If there is such a huge market for these cheap $20k vehicles,

I would argue that it hasn't been feasible on the cost side until now and moving forward (for EVs).

I do know that my town is stuffed FULL of Bolt EVs.

There are folks who want affordable small EVs that aren't just preowned ones, especially in some alternatives form factors.

(I personally only buy preowned, but I'm not everyone)

 

[BigMcGuire]

Our first EV was a 2018 used Tesla Model 3 in 2022.
Second EV was brand new 2024 Tesla Model 3 in 2024 ( right before the CEO decided he'd make the brand real popular by entering politics ) - motivated by 1.9% interest rate and $7500 immediately applied tax credit.

Wife prefers the 2018 so we're both really happy. lol.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I don't even know what we are arguing about re: smaller and more affordable EVs...

lol

Shouldn't we all want a diverse mix of options up and down the spectrum?

Aren't we fans of EVs here?

I don't personally want to buy a whole bunch of the EV offerings, but I'm glad they exist.
(other than the 9k lb tanks like the Escalade above)