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randomdude83

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I get the M3 Pro being slower due to fewer P cores but how is the M3 slower than M2 when M3 got improvements all over.

The iMac must have poor cooling compared to the Mac mini. Throttling could explain it.
You'll need to disclose the Ram of each Mac here. Other wise these tests are pointless and yes Logic performes better with more Ram versus swap memory.
 

a.r40

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was that M3 test done with a 1024 buffer? Definitely want to redo that test at a much lower buffer size. Apple Silicon is weird that way. I get horrible performance in Ableton when my buffer is any higher than 256 (M1 Pro). I usually work at 128 and don't think ive ever noticed a major hiccup. My M3 Pro just came in a couple of hours ago so I'll be stress testing it.
 

smilan

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Hi, I went to a shop today and made a Logic Pro X Test2 on 3 M3 Machines. All 18MB Mem, AudioConfig as recomented 1024, All prozessors on. Here are my results. M3 Pro 12 Core 16" = 180 Tracks, M3 Pro10Core 14" = 147 Tracks, M3 14" = 123 Tracks. Can somebody make a test with M2pro MAX .. My M1 8 core /16GB = 114 Tracks I use Logic since Notator so I know how to check ..;) ...Best
 

Zadillo

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14" MacBook Pro with the 12 Core M3 Pro CPU, 18 GB RAM, 1TB HD. I get the system overload at 172 tracks.

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I wonder if the very-recent Logic update is helping. 123 tracks from a base M3 sounds more in line.
 

smilan

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I had decided against M3 pro and today my MacBook arrived : 2023 14" MacBook Pro M2 Max 32GB, 1TB, 1024, 192Tracks constantly in Loop, Logic 10.8 in OSX 13.6.2
 
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Zadillo

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I had decided against M3 pro and today my MacBook arrived : 2023 14" MacBook Pro M2 Max 32GB, 1TB, 1024, 192Tracks constantly in Loop, Logic 10.8 in OSX 13.6.2
So 20 more tracks than the 12 core M3 Pro with 18GB RAM. A but surprised it isn’t more.
 

smilan

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So 20 more tracks than the 12 core M3 Pro with 18GB RAM. A but surprised it isn’t more.
Exactly, strange, wasn't it? I was surprised too. I still have to check what exactly is different. Plus it was a lot cheaper. So I did it right. I'll be fine with the 192 tracks for the next few years....
 
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ori69

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Exactly, strange, wasn't it? I was surprised too. I still have to check what exactly is different. Plus it was a lot cheaper. So I did it right. I'll be fine with the 192 tracks for the next few years....

Max Tech achieved 328 tracks on the M3 Max, but that's not very reliable for me.

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Max Tech achieved 328 tracks on the M3 Max, but that's not very reliable for me.

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Those bar-graphs are definitely not drawn correctly to scale.

194 is about 60% of 328, yet its graph is well below 50% of 328. Just eyeballing it, it looks more like 1/3.

Also 118 is about 60% of 194, but again, its graph is well below 50%

Finally, 118 is around 36% of 328, i.e slightly more than 1/3, yet its graph is well under 1/4 of 328's graph.

Here's a simple text-only representation, using X's in a mono-spaced font
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XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  33 X's
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  19 X's
XXXXXXXXXXXX  12 X's
 

ori69

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Those bar-graphs are definitely not drawn correctly to scale.

194 is about 60% of 328, yet its graph is well below 50% of 328. Just eyeballing it, it looks more like 1/3.

Also 118 is about 60% of 194, but again, its graph is well below 50%

Finally, 118 is around 36% of 328, i.e slightly more than 1/3, yet its graph is well under 1/4 of 328's graph.

Here's a simple text-only representation, using X's in a mono-spaced font
Code:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  33 X's
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  19 X's
XXXXXXXXXXXX  12 X's

It's not about the graph, because if you cut out the common part, it's OK.

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It's about the result. Is it possible that the MBP 16" M3 Max achieved 328 tracks?
 
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ProgRocker

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Not quite sure what is meant by 'tracks' ? Are we talking audio tracks, VSTi synth tracks, sample player tracks ?
I'd think there is a difference between running multiple tracks of DIVA vs audio tracks with Amplitube and or multiple fx vs Kontakt 7. What sample and bit rate is used ? Without this information it's hard to judge what this all means.
 

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It's not about the graph, because if you cut out the common part, it's OK.

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It's about the result. Is it possible that the MBP 16" M3 Max achieved 328 tracks?
Cutting out the common part is deceptive. The whole point of a bar graph is visual comparison of size. If you can't do that with the visible bars, then what's the point?

The bar sizes are what matter, and visual games like this just undermine credibility to me.
 
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Not quite sure what is meant by 'tracks' ? Are we talking audio tracks, VSTi synth tracks, sample player tracks ?
I'd think there is a difference between running multiple tracks of DIVA vs audio tracks with Amplitube and or multiple fx vs Kontakt 7. What sample and bit rate is used ? Without this information it's hard to judge what this all means.
“Tracks” means tracks within a specific project file that’s downloaded from the web page of this benchmark’s creators.


This particular project is set up to be hugely inefficient. A base M1 chip hits system overload when running about 90 tracks of that test IIRC.

But when tested with a project set up more like a real-world example, the base M1 handled over 100 synthesizers, something like 600 audio tracks and a total of over 1000 plugins running before it hit system overload.

I don’t remember which YouTube video that was from but it was two British dudes and their production studio back when the M1 Mac Mini first launched.
 

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It's about the result. Is it possible that the MBP 16" M3 Max achieved 328 tracks?
M1 Ultra supposedly did 311, and it sounds like the M3 Max is on par with the M2 Ultra performance-wise. So 328 for M3 Max sounds totally realistic. And incredible.
 

ProgRocker

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But when tested with a project set up more like a real-world example, the base M1 handled over 100 synthesizers, something like 600 audio tracks and a total of over 1000 plugins running before it hit system overload.

I don’t remember which YouTube video that was from but it was two British dudes and their production studio back when the M1 Mac Mini first launched.

Thanks Eicca. I believe I prefer more real-world examples that mirror my usage than generalized tests that may not reflect what my actual usage would be. Music production is rather diverse in that some use mostly audio tracks where others VSTi synths and others sample based synths, all getting very different results from their chosen SOC.

Yes, I recall that YouTube video with the two British guys. Their videos were very interesting.
 

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430 tracks on new intel 14700k
 

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TommesPommes

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M2 Max base Studio 209 Tracks with 32 samples. 204 Tracks with 1024 samples. So silicon really runs better on low latency
 
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