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Who would be interested in this "7,1" Mac Pro

JamesPDX said:
Here's a fun heat transfer problem for you engineers: What would be your case design and CPU/GPU heat sink and fan design (material and surface area and shape, no limits) to get a single non-overclocked Xeon E4-based machine to run as quietly as a 2012 i7 Mac Mini with an SSD?
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I remember (once upon a time I used to hang out with a lot of overclocking fanatics) someone stating that the perfect cooling setup is neither liquid water nor liquid Nitrogen. It is immersing/suspending the whole hardware in a decently heat-conducting liquid which nevertheless is fully electro-resistant. I remember some talk about mineral oil...

I have to see if I can find a link...
RGDS,

EDIT: Found it. Mineral oil it is.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php
The first iterations of the system did have trouble with heat gathering in the mineral oil (nothing dangerous), but the later versions (more modern components) seem to produce way less heat. Also, methinks, that the original system (clear acrylic case, for visual reasons) is not heat-optimized, and that building the system inside an aluminium box (maybe even with some added surface area) would potentially enable a workstation to be fully silent (fanless).

Pugetsystems have stopped selling their DYI-sets due to licensing reasons, but I bet Apple could afford a license... :)

James, does this answer suffice?

P.S. My doctorate is not in engineering, but for many years I had thisandthat engineer on my business card...
 
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That's an amazing thing, an "aquarium PC" -it's too bad that they had to shut it down. Great experiment, for sure. A+
 
People Are very much interested in a 2012 replacement , is apple though? Doubt it

Simple fact is, they make more profits from idevices. Much easier to sell 3-4 iPad pros and much higher profit margin .
 
Since1987 said:
I think OSX is already "forked" ( rim shot ).

We need a new NeXT. Forstall + Investor $$$ = eating Apple's lunch... computer wise. Apple wouldn't even put up a fight. Cook and Ive want OUT of the truck business. Pro Users don't want Windows.
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The OS doesn't matter for the most part once you are in the app, it's the better hardware choices on Windows that are making business users move. I'm on Windows now, but miss messages on the Mac. Everything else on the PC is pretty much the same.
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macprobuffalo said:
We should all be sending our requests to Apple. If enough of us demand a real workstation maybe it will happen. After submitting feedback the next page claims it goes to the Mac Pro team.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/mac-pro.html

Personally I've been considering one of the 12 core 5,1's on eBay to replace my 3,1. I'm just concerned that macOS 10.13 will not support them
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I posted feedback about how I've now got loads of empty power sockets in my office and how quiet it is in here since I got rid of my 6,1 and went back to a tower PC. They are never going to make what I want. They used to, but not any more.

I considered the 5,1 but it was already 3-4 years old at the time so went for the 6,1 and have now gone back to Windows. In all honestly once I am in Photo Mechanic or Lightroom I don't notice the OS and so far Windows 10 has been fine. Your requirements will be different to mine, but seriously ask yourself when you need Mac OS. Windows and Linux are both good alternatives now providing your apps run on those platforms.
 
Wow! That's like a 2040 Mac Pro. Can you imagine Apple trying to make that thing thin and fashionable?

I think I've discovered the problem: Apple was a computer company, but is now a lifestyle-product/fashion company.
It's like The Gap, but with batteries and dongles. And we all know what happened to The Gap.

PS: The Macbook-Thin is the new $5 pocket-T.
 
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MH01 said:
People Are very much interested in a 2012 replacement , is apple though? Doubt it

Simple fact is, they make more profits from idevices. Much easier to sell 3-4 iPad pros and much higher profit margin .
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The profit margin on the 6,1 nMP has to be a higher than the Ipad. The cost numbers on the new Mac Pro (6,1) are sky high. And the prices are fixed and controlled by Apple. No deals here.
 
rjtiedeman said:
The profit margin on the 6,1 nMP has to be a higher than the Ipad. The cost numbers on the new Mac Pro (6,1) are sky high. And the prices are fixed and controlled by Apple. No deals here.
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My Mac Pro cost less than a 2016 MacBook Pro, and I've got a 12C upgrade.
 
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seveej said:
I remember (once upon a time I used to hang out with a lot of overclocking fanatics) someone stating that the perfect cooling setup is neither liquid water nor liquid Nitrogen. It is immersing/suspending the whole hardware in a decently heat-conducting liquid which nevertheless is fully electro-resistant. I remember some talk about mineral oil...

I have to see if I can find a link...
RGDS,

EDIT: Found it. Mineral oil it is.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php
The first iterations of the system did have trouble with heat gathering in the mineral oil (nothing dangerous), but the later versions (more modern components) seem to produce way less heat. Also, methinks, that the original system (clear acrylic case, for visual reasons) is not heat-optimized, and that building the system inside an aluminium box (maybe even with some added surface area) would potentially enable a workstation to be fully silent (fanless).

Pugetsystems have stopped selling their DYI-sets due to licensing reasons, but I bet Apple could afford a license... :)

James, does this answer suffice?

P.S. My doctorate is not in engineering, but for many years I had thisandthat engineer on my business card...
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That is my next project a PC case in mineral oil. These days I enjoy the fun of building water cooling cases over the actual tech advancements . It is amazing though how a very well cooled system extends its lifespan.

I'm needing any reason to upgrade my 2012 PC rig, and the damn thing has not missed a beat, and its running high OC too.
 
seveej said:
I remember (once upon a time I used to hang out with a lot of overclocking fanatics) someone stating that the perfect cooling setup is neither liquid water nor liquid Nitrogen. It is immersing/suspending the whole hardware in a decently heat-conducting liquid which nevertheless is fully electro-resistant. I remember some talk about mineral oil...

I have to see if I can find a link...
RGDS,

EDIT: Found it. Mineral oil it is.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/mineral-oil-pc.php
The first iterations of the system did have trouble with heat gathering in the mineral oil (nothing dangerous), but the later versions (more modern components) seem to produce way less heat. Also, methinks, that the original system (clear acrylic case, for visual reasons) is not heat-optimized, and that building the system inside an aluminium box (maybe even with some added surface area) would potentially enable a workstation to be fully silent (fanless).

Pugetsystems have stopped selling their DYI-sets due to licensing reasons, but I bet Apple could afford a license... :)

James, does this answer suffice?

P.S. My doctorate is not in engineering, but for many years I had thisandthat engineer on my business card...
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Linus Tech Tips did a mineral oil based Puget Systems build.. worth a watch!

 
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Flint Ironstag said:
monkeybagel, what you're describing is known as the mythical xmac. Basically a scaled down cMP. If they're not going to make eGPU work seamlessly, I'd love one.

I don't see a need to fork the OS, we already have the server app. Set up a net boot server that images new machines with FaceTime, mission control, and whatever other fluff removed from the dock - or use MCX or 3rd party apps to manage your apps. EOL with specified support terms though? That would be most welcome.

Honestly I wish they would resurrect Apple Computers for enterprise grade hardware:

- Mac Pro towers
- Xserves
- strengthen the relationship with Promise for enterprise storage
- leverage these relationships with Cisco & IBM to bring us some cool stuff

Pipe dreams...
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Yeah and I wish Steve was alive and Hillary won and the world didn't suck incredibly badly. At least we have good phones though.
 
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