Who's got a nice watch? Traditional watches only, no smartwatches please.

[Linuxpro]

Something like the below?

I'm going to be pedantic for a moment and point out that a "sweep" second hand refers to any hand that moves around the perimeter of the dial(as opposed to a sub-second hand, which moves within its own dial). It does not describe the motion of the hand, which can be either continuous or incremental).

Correct! I seldom see the term "sweep second hand" used correctly. You would be surprised the number of people who think that it means "smooth moving.

 

[kenoh]

Correct! I seldom see the term "sweep second hand" used correctly. You would be surprised the number of people who think that it means "smooth moving.

I think (may be wrong) that is a complaint to lay at the door of the Rolex marketing department. They are the first ones i can remember to take artistic license on that term referring to the motion of the Oyster DateJust in an advertising campaign. Beyond my dad being issued an Explorer in the army, this advert in the paper was what originally made me want one as all my watches at the time had incremental second hands. Obviously I didnt know that most any mechanical watch would 'tick' that way.

 

[Linuxpro]

I think (may be wrong) that is a complaint to lay at the door of the Rolex marketing department. They are the first ones i can remember to take artistic license on that term referring to the motion of the Oyster DateJust in an advertising campaign. Beyond my dad being issued an Explorer in the army, this advert in the paper was what originally made me want one as all my watches at the time had incremental second hands. Obviously I didnt know that most any mechanical watch would 'tick' that way.

Haha, yes Rolex did run with that one didn't they.

It has fooled many an American tourist (I am an American living in Asia, so I see this stuff a lot). So many American tourist buy fake Rolex, Tag, etc. They think some cheap watch that wholesales for $10 is worth $400 just because the second hand moves smooth. Of course the "honest" Chinese business man will do him a great favor and only ask $150 for it (negotiable down to $75). The Chinese seller will only handle the watch with gloves on because the metal contains toxic compounds (Arsenic, Cyanide, or Hex Covalent Chromium) to prevent oxidation and make the watch appear shiny.

If you ever encounter a fake Rolex, remove the case-back. They all literally say "SH**INHAND" on the inside. I can give you a link.
http://uhrforum.de/attachments/9964...ragen-in-richtung-herkunft-rolex-p1030707.jpg

 

[kenoh]

Haha, yes Rolex did run with that one didn't they.

It has fooled many an American tourist (I am an American living in Asia, so I see this stuff a lot). So many American tourist buy fake Rolex, Tag, etc. They think some cheap watch that wholesales for $10 is worth $400 just because the second hand moves smooth. Of course the "honest" Chinese business man will do him a great favor and only ask $150 for it (negotiable down to $75). The Chinese seller will only handle the watch with gloves on because the metal contains toxic compounds (Arsenic, Cyanide, or Hex Covalent Chromium) to prevent oxidation and make the watch appear shiny.

If you ever encounter a fake Rolex, remove the case-back. They all literally say "SH**INHAND" on the inside. I can give you a link.
http://uhrforum.de/attachments/9964...ragen-in-richtung-herkunft-rolex-p1030707.jpg

Ha ha thats awesome. Never knew that. I dont see the point if buying a fake one. Buy a real one or buy the real version of something in the price range you want. A fake is a fake so a waste of time.

 

[Linuxpro]

I aways wondered what drives someone to buy fake anything. So they spend $100 on a fake watch. They impress their friends with it. Then in about three weeks it starts to malfunction. So they spend $100+shipping on a new one. A month later they have to repeat the exercise.

The lie is expensive to maintain. Pretty soon, the person has spent more than the cost of the real thing.

 

[bunnspecial]

The late George Daniels referred to the continuously moving second hand as a "crawling" second hand in Watchmaking. I guess I'd trust the greatest modern watchmaker to know what he's talking about.

I think it's also interesting, too, that even on high beat rate mechanical watches you can see the hand "jumping." A sweep second hand makes it even more prominent-I think it's more obviously on an 8bps Rolex than on a 5bps watch with a sub second hand.

I have an WWII Elgin "Jitterbug" timer. It's a 16 size pocket watch movement with a tiny balance wheel(about as big as you'd see in a lady's 10 ligne wristwatch movement) and runs at 40,000 bph(11bps). Even the second hand motion is visible in it.

Finally, back in the era of mechanical watches, a "Jumping" second hand was actually considered a sign of prestige. It's fairly complicated to do on a mechanical watch, short of the "Chinese Duplex" which runs at 14,400 bph and only actually advances the train once per second(these are also horribly innacurate, and also not self starting).

I think it was A. Lange recently came out with a jump seconds watch and called it a "deadbeat second hand." I absolutely detest that term, as "deadbeat" in horology refers to a type of escapement where the oscillator only receives power in on direction of oscillation. Most common mechanical clocks use a deadbeat escapement, and among watches the detent(chronometer) escapement(another pet peeve of mine, as a "chronometer" should have detent escapement) and duplex are deadbeat escapements. I don't know why Lange had to invent a new(inaccurate) term when jump second hands have been around for ~150 years.

A lot of market departments these days take advantage of the fact that most folks just don't know that much about mechanical watches or the history of them. Just witness the "made up" history of a lot of brands.

But, there's my rant for the day.

 

[SHNXX]

Fakes have similar internal parts to other cheap Chinese watches (same Chinese clone movements) so I don't think there's much difference between a fake Rolex and a Chinese "homage" watch.
Both are trash.

 

[bunnspecial]

Fakes have similar internal parts to other cheap Chinese watches (same Chinese clone movements) so I don't think there's much difference between a fake Rolex and a Chinese "homage" watch.
Both are trash.

Somewhere or another around here, I have a $10 Chinese watch(bought on Ebay) that looks a lot like a Rolex "Pepsi Bezel" Sub. It doesn't say Rolex anywhere on it(I wouldn't have bought it) For what it is and what I paid for it, I'm happy with it. At least I have one mechanical watch that I don't have to be careful with. I did change out the(armhair pinching) bracelet that was on it for an old Seiko bracelet out of my junkbox.

Of course, Rolex Jubilee bracelets(or at least the older, hollow link ones) aren't exactly the best for your arm hair either, although I've found that at least mine doesn't have any issues once it's been worn a few minutes and "settled" on my wrist.

The Chinese band also didn't pinch anywhere nearly as badly as a Speidel bracelet. That's one thing I'm happy to see have gone out of fashion, even though they are convenient. I do wear a watch with one occasionally, although I'm constantly battling with it.

 

[SHNXX]

Somewhere or another around here, I have a $10 Chinese watch(bought on Ebay) that looks a lot like a Rolex "Pepsi Bezel" Sub. It doesn't say Rolex anywhere on it(I wouldn't have bought it) For what it is and what I paid for it, I'm happy with it. At least I have one mechanical watch that I don't have to be careful with. I did change out the(armhair pinching) bracelet that was on it for an old Seiko bracelet out of my junkbox.



Of course, Rolex Jubilee bracelets(or at least the older, hollow link ones) aren't exactly the best for your arm hair either, although I've found that at least mine doesn't have any issues once it's been worn a few minutes and "settled" on my wrist.



The Chinese band also didn't pinch anywhere nearly as badly as a Speidel bracelet. That's one thing I'm happy to see have gone out of fashion, even though they are convenient. I do wear a watch with one occasionally, although I'm constantly battling with it.

Well, although it's less illegal and probably makes you feel better about the purchase, it's probably made in the same factory.

 

[Ulenspiegel]

Fakes have similar internal parts to other cheap Chinese watches (same Chinese clone movements) so I don't think there's much difference between a fake Rolex and a Chinese "homage" watch.
Both are trash.

I agree with you 100%. Fake is a fake. I would never buy one.
Nevertheless, some of the more expensive fakes use Miyota movements which was an interesting experience some years ago.

 

[bunnspecial]

Well, although it's less illegal and probably makes you feel better about the purchase, it's probably made in the same factory.

What do you mean "less illegal?"

There's nothing illegal whatsoever about the watch I bought-it's a cheap $10 Chinese automatic made in a style vaguely resembling a well-known model from a large Swiss brand.

And I do mean vaguely resembling...only someone who's never seen a real one would mix them up.

And for what I bought it for, it works perfectly.

 

[SHNXX]

What do you mean "less illegal?"



There's nothing illegal whatsoever about the watch I bought-it's a cheap $10 Chinese automatic made in a style vaguely resembling a well-known model from a large Swiss brand.



And I do mean vaguely resembling...only someone who's never seen a real one would mix them up.



And for what I bought it for, it works perfectly.

I'm not a lawyer so I'm not really interested in legal discussion, but I'm just saying both homages and replicas are just design copies.

 

[LadyX]

What do you mean "less illegal?"



There's nothing illegal whatsoever about the watch I bought-it's a cheap $10 Chinese automatic made in a style vaguely resembling a well-known model from a large Swiss brand.

You're right.

I'm not a lawyer so I'm not really interested in legal discussion, but I'm just saying both homages and replicas are just design copies.

There's nothing illegal about the watch he bought. A lot of watch manufacturers take design cues from each other, nothing wrong with that. If for instance logos, trademarks, brand names, etc. are copied then yes that is a different case and here it becomes illegal. Homages are 100% legal.

 

[MacRy]

Who's got a nice watch? Traditional watches only, no smartwatches please.

I agree, there's nothing wrong with homages as long as they aren't trying to pass themselves off as the real thing (with logos etc.). For instance, I would love to own a Rolex Explorer 1016 but I will never be able to afford one so I bought a Zeno Explorer that is an homage to one. It has a vintage Swiss movement in it and it is beautifully made. I get to wear something that I like the design of and still be happy that it is a quality timepiece.

 

[AppleDApp]

I agree, there's nothing wrong with homages as long as they aren't trying to pass themselves off as the real thing (with logos etc.). For instance, I would love to own a Rolex Explorer 1016 but I will never be able to afford one so I bought a Zeno Explorer that is an homage to one. It has a vintage Swiss movement in it and it is beautifully made. I get to wear something that I like the design of and still be happy that it is a quality timepiece.

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You have a great variety of watches.

 

[MacRy]

You have a great variety of watches.

Thanks I've been an avid "affordables" collector for a while. If I get a chance later I'll post a pic of my main collection in their box.

 

[AppleDApp]

Thanks I've been an avid "affordables" collector for a while. If I get a chance later I'll post a pic of my main collection in their box.

Awesome I got an Omega seamaster based on some pictures you posted a while back.

 

[MacRy]

Awesome I got an Omega seamaster based on some pictures you posted a while back.

Nice! I love the old Seamasters.

 

[LadyX]

You have a great variety of watches.

I agree.

Thanks I've been an avid "affordables" collector for a while. If I get a chance later I'll post a pic of my main collection in their box.

Yes I 'd love to see your collection!

 

[MacRy]

Here's a quick snap of my main rotation. I have ten others knocking about, but they are mainly Quartz or stuff I don't wear any more.

Top row left to right - Seiko SNK809, Oris Wrist Alarm, Zeno Explorer, Poljot Okeah, Seiko SKX009, Orient Mako

Bottom row left to right - Elgin Art Deco, Smiths PRS-36, Seagull 1963 Reissue, Orient Bambino, Millionsmart Flying Tourbillon, Omega Seamaster.

 

[AppleDApp]

Here's a quick snap of my main rotation. I have ten others knocking about, but they are mainly Quartz or stuff I don't wear any more.

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Top row left to right - Seiko SNK809, Oris Wrist Alarm, Zeno Explorer, Poljot Okeah, Seiko SKX009, Orient Mako

Bottom row left to right - Elgin Art Deco, Smiths PRS-36, Seagull 1963 Reissue, Orient Bambino, Millionsmart Flying Tourbillon, Omega Seamaster.

I imagine you only wind them when you wear them?

 

[MacRy]

I imagine you only wind them when you wear them?

I wind them all once a week to make sure they are used but they get some wrist time fairly often in any case.

 

[zagato27]

Here's a quick snap of my main rotation. I have ten others knocking about, but they are mainly Quartz or stuff I don't wear any more.

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Top row left to right - Seiko SNK809, Oris Wrist Alarm, Zeno Explorer, Poljot Okeah, Seiko SKX009, Orient Mako

Bottom row left to right - Elgin Art Deco, Smiths PRS-36, Seagull 1963 Reissue, Orient Bambino, Millionsmart Flying Tourbillon, Omega Seamaster.

Beautiful display for your collection. Lots of interesting stuff there and a wide range of watches. Pretty cool. My display: left wrist with a Seiko SKA371. Hopefully I'll double my collection soon. Delfin.

 

[MacRy]

Beautiful display for your collection. Lots of interesting stuff there and a wide range of watches. Pretty cool. My display: left wrist with a Seiko SKA371. Hopefully I'll double my collection soon. Delfin.

Thanks. I like to have a bit of diversity in my collection.

The case was a present from a friend of mine. My wife also bought me a display case for my birthday this year to house, the inevitable, future additions

 

[bunnspecial]

You're right.



There's nothing illegal about the watch he bought. A lot of watch manufacturers take design cues from each other, nothing wrong with that. If for instance logos, trademarks, brand names, etc. are copied then yes that is a different case and here it becomes illegal. Homages are 100% legal.

If watches that look "sort of like a Sub" were illegal, Invicta would have been out of business a long time ago!

I'm no Invicta fan, but they have enough name recognition that Rolex(and their deep pockets) would go after them in a second if they were doing anything illegal.

I'd say your average Invicta dive-type watch looks more like a Sub than the Chinese watch I bought.

And, again, the $10 one I bought is a piece of crap-that's partially why I bought it. I wanted a mechanical watch that I could wear while I was mowing the yard or doing other type of work where I wouldn't have to worry about banging up a nice watch.