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Did you take in account the standard 3 years warranty on a pc instead of the paid warranty (300,-) for the three years warranty on the MP?

I my case the Mac Pro would cost: 3363,- (Euro)
And the 'same' PC (with better specs): 2385,- (Euro)

So thats about 41% more..
 
Did you take in account the standard 3 years warranty on a pc instead of the paid warranty (300,-) for the three years warranty on the MP?

I my case the Mac Pro would cost: 3363,- (Euro)
And the 'same' PC (with better specs): 2385,- (Euro)

So thats about 41% more..

The site i would have used if i went for a PC didn't offer a 3 year warranty.

Another way to look at it your paying 978 Euros more for the Mac - If you keep it for 3 years thats less than 1 Euro a day to have a Mac Pro. A very small amount to pay each day to not have to put up with windows and viruses.
 
Minuses: limited expandibility, i.e. only 4 PCIe slots and 4 HD bays, limited options for graphics cards.
5 HD bays, if you don't need the extra DVD drive bay. I've always used 5 internal HDs on my Mac Pros.
 
Just curious why some of you switched from imac to Mac Pro?
I am on the fence.
 
Just curious why some of you switched from imac to Mac Pro?

For us it is:
- the possibility to connect the (better) screen you want (of course this is possible with an I mac, but I don't want 2 screens on my desk)
- expandability (for instance for Photoshop it's better to have three different hard disk)
- It has more powerrrr (especially the top models)
 
If I get the Mac Pro over the iMac, it has to be the base system

# One 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem”
# 3GB (3x1GB)
# None
# 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
# None
# None
# None
# ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
# One 18x SuperDrive

The iMac would be i7 27" 8gig 2tb drive.

Would I be better off in the long run with the Mac Pro?
 
I don't know my friend.
Maybe you get so happy with a MP then you will be better of.

But when you look at the specs technically you won't. So wenn you don't need to expand and if your happy with the Imac screen it's as clear as it gets. :D:D:D:D:D

I doubt if you want to sell your machine in a couple of years which on will be most valuable..I can imagine that the market for a nice looking Imac will be bigger..
 
I've never had a PC last over 2 years of extensive use (my MacPro is off only if there is a storm) before I start having problems. I just rebuild and give to my brother who tends to kill them after a year or so. My MacPro is over 6 and has never given me any problems. Currently I have 8TB of internal HD space/8gb RAM and I store all my older HDs in cases in a bookshelf when they hit 3 or 4 years old. I need so much HD space because I do complete rips (anywhere between 4-6GB) of my favorite movies, partial rips of the others (about 2GB per 2 hour movie). I stream everything to my :apple:TVs and music via my Sonos system. PCs do have their place, I always have one working but I don't spend time on it. My current PC is a HP, small form factor, 4RAM, Windows 7, 120HD. Doesn't have much on it, some games and pictures.
 
the only reason to get a mac is for osx. if you wish to run osx then apple wants you using their hardware.

go windows if you like having software support, among other things. there is nothing wrong with windows 7. if someone has complaints of it, tell them to be specific.
 
the only reason to get a mac is for osx. if you wish to run osx then apple wants you using their hardware.

go windows if you like having software support, among other things. there is nothing wrong with windows 7. if someone has complaints of it, tell them to be specific.

Sorry, but you get full support with Mac hardware, software and all, with AppleCare. Unlike M$, they don't charge you for every call. For about $150-350 depending on machine and education discounts, you get 3 years full parts and labor and tech support. Oh, it's North American based, no ESL on the phone who barely knows what a hard drive does.

FYI I work in Windows NT/Linux/Unix/etc environments. I've built hackint0sh systems. I've dealt with kext's and DSDT patching, etc. For the time and effort you put into it, you're better off buying a Mac Pro. If you look at the costs for Xeon Westmere processors, and tally up what a Mac Pro system gives you, it's not much of a difference.

As for Windows, W7 runs very well on my Mac Pro. Of course, all the hardware drivers come with Snow Leopard's Boot Camp DVD, so it's not difficult on a Mac system to cold boot. As for OS X, nothing beats it for me. "Time Machine" for easy backups and system restores kills anything Windows can do. That alone is a "Time" saver :p. (Don't get me started on M$ antiquated BIOS dependent software they pass off as an operating system)

I don't know my friend.
Maybe you get so happy with a MP then you will be better of.

But when you look at the specs technically you won't. So wenn you don't need to expand and if your happy with the Imac screen it's as clear as it gets. :D:D:D:D:D

I doubt if you want to sell your machine in a couple of years which on will be most valuable..I can imagine that the market for a nice looking Imac will be bigger..

Again, price out the hardware, especially for Mac Pro's. Considering that a Mac Pro uses server grade Intel Xeon chips, a Westmere Mac Pro parts alone are costly.

IMac's have been known to be one of the best priced systems on the market. As they come with LED LCD IPS panels (which alone are expensive, and in some cases more than half the costs of the system), an all in one system with an LED LCD IPS panel, quad core chips, etc, it's a pretty darn good deal.

Also, Mac's have the highest resale values on the market. Many sell their systems on eBay when it's time for them to trade up, and make a pretty good amount of money doing so. I sold my 2008 2.8 8-Core w/ 8GB RAM and a Blu-Ray on eBay for about $2800, and upgraded to a 2010 6-Core Westmere (got a good discount), in the end didn't cost me much.

Hey, there's a place for OS X, Ubuntu, Windows, etc systems. People like what they like, need what they need. If you want a great system with excellent support (Apple is rated highest in customer satisfaction and support) and that won't give you the most headaches, go with an Apple based OS X system. However, if you need a server based system for hardcore business, or if you need something on the cheap and don't mind the occasional headaches and expense of anti-viral software and tech support, go with a Windows based system (Xserve is a joke for business server systems).
 
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Sorry, but you get full support with Mac hardware, software and all, with AppleCare. Unlike M$, they don't charge you for every call. For about $150-350 depending on machine and education discounts, you get 3 years full parts and labor and tech support. Oh, it's North American based, no ESL on the phone who barely knows what a hard drive does.

FYI I work in Windows NT/Linux/Unix/etc environments. I've built hackint0sh systems. I've dealt with kext's and DSDT patching, etc. For the time and effort you put into it, you're better off buying a Mac Pro. If you look at the costs for Xeon Westmere processors, and tally up what a Mac Pro system gives you, it's not much of a difference.

As for Windows, W7 runs very well on my Mac Pro. Of course, all the hardware drivers come with Snow Leopard's Boot Camp DVD, so it's not difficult on a Mac system to cold boot. As for OS X, nothing beats it for me. "Time Machine" for easy backups and system restores kills anything Windows can do. That alone is a "Time" saver :p. (Don't get me started on M$ antiquated BIOS dependent software they pass off as an operating system)



Again, price out the hardware, especially for Mac Pro's. Considering that a Mac Pro uses server grade Intel Xeon chips, a Westmere Mac Pro parts alone are costly.

IMac's have been known to be one of the best priced systems on the market. As they come with LED LCD IPS panels (which alone are expensive, and in some cases more than half the costs of the system), an all in one system with an LED LCD IPS panel, quad core chips, etc, it's a pretty darn good deal.

Also, Mac's have the highest resale values on the market. Many sell their systems on eBay when it's time for them to trade up, and make a pretty good amount of money doing so. I sold my 2008 2.8 8-Core w/ 8GB RAM and a Blu-Ray on eBay for about $2800, and upgraded to a 2010 6-Core Westmere (got a good discount), in the end didn't cost me much.

Hey, there's a place for OS X, Ubuntu, Windows, etc systems. People like what they like, need what they need. If you want a great system with excellent support (Apple is rated highest in customer satisfaction and support) and that won't give you the most headaches, go with an Apple based OS X system. However, if you need a server based system for hardcore business, or if you need something on the cheap and don't mind the occasional headaches and expense of anti-viral software and tech support, go with a Windows based system (Xserve is a joke for business server systems).

its doesnt cost anything to call microsoft if you have issues while under warranty. the same applies to apple. how much free help do they give once your paid for applecare runs out? the same level as everyone else is the answer. another thing microsoft does is support thousands of configurations. those hackintosh, try getting os support for them from apple. but thats beside the point and has nothing to do with this subject.

apple isnt the only one with north america based customer service. there are many computer system builders that offer very personal customer support. they might not be the size of dell or apple but they are no less committed.

the only thing a mac pro will offer you that you wont get from a windows based machine is osx. thus it is the only reason to buy one, for your interest in osx. i dont recommend prebuilds but if you are a fan of them, and want extra warranty and somewhere you can take your machine into for repair if need be, well bestbuy offers that. for $1000 right now you can build a very capable and modern windows based machine. however that route isnt for people who need 3 year warranties.
 
its doesnt cost anything to call microsoft if you have issues while under warranty. the same applies to apple. how much free help do they give once your paid for applecare runs out? the same level as everyone else is the answer. another thing microsoft does is support thousands of configurations. those hackintosh, try getting os support for them from apple. but thats beside the point and has nothing to do with this subject.

apple isnt the only one with north america based customer service. there are many computer system builders that offer very personal customer support. they might not be the size of dell or apple but they are no less committed.

the only thing a mac pro will offer you that you wont get from a windows based machine is osx. thus it is the only reason to buy one, for your interest in osx. i dont recommend prebuilds but if you are a fan of them, and want extra warranty and somewhere you can take your machine into for repair if need be, well bestbuy offers that. for $1000 right now you can build a very capable and modern windows based machine. however that route isnt for people who need 3 year warranties.

1) Nope. I've worked for Apple. You will get tech support after three years, but in most cases you will have to pay for parts and labor (and in some cases, depending on the store, they will offer alternatives or competitive pricing for repairs and service). Whereas with Microsoft, you get charged $45 per call depending on what you purchased. Sorry.

2) I mentioned Hackintosh systems to validate my experiences, so please, don't dismiss it so sarcastically. Of course I never stated anything about support, you did, and you and I both know you won't get OS X support.

3) I won't even get into that. Mac Pro's are not just good for OS X. They are a good deal for the system. You can accept it or not, I'm not here to debate it with you when you clearly have made a headstrong decision. The industrial design of the system makes it easy for anyone to swap out drives, memory, optical drives, etc. The aluminum and cooling system are top notch, its resale value is excellent, and on and on. These points aren't even debatable, so I'm sorry you feel so strongly that it's only about OS X. With all do respect that's ignorant. My mention of hackintoshes was to state that Mac hardware isn't just for OS X as OS X can run on any intel based system with the right knowledge and tweaking. Apple knows this, they also know their systems are designed beautifully, and not just for form, but for their function. :)

FYI I've spoken with people ad nauseum concerning this topic, and it grows weary, so I've stated all I will state. The Windows vs OS X and Apple hardware vs Generic is a long and worn out topic, but in the end, the sales and customer service awards and resale value and growing market-share of Apple OS X and peripherals speak for themselves. :)
 
I think I like Mac Pro's instead of PC's because I've bought into the whole Mac environment. I have an iphone, and an iPad, my GF has an iphone, I got her a mobileme account so we can now sync our calendars easily, which has been a godsend in terms of scheduling our lives.

I just got an Apple TV and I'm really liking how that integrates into my other devices.

I remember when I was younger, I was a big PC fan, mostly because PCs were (and continued to be until Intel chips) where all the games were, and because Macs seemed incredibly expensive. Plus, I liked fiddling around with DOS and Windows 3.1, and knowing how to get a computer to work seemed like a really specialized and valuable skill. Now, there are so many other gaming devices, and I'm really more interested in using my computer instead of playing around with it. Macs just seem to work, nice, easy and simple. I suppose that as my salary has increased, the relative cost has decreased.

It doesn't hurt that today, when I had a problem with my 3 year old mac pro, I made a genius bar appointment on line, brought it down to the local apple store, and had it looked at and fixed. I'm not sure that's so simple with a PC.
 
If I get the Mac Pro over the iMac, it has to be the base system

# One 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon “Nehalem”
# 3GB (3x1GB)
# None
# 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
# None
# None
# None
# ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
# One 18x SuperDrive

The iMac would be i7 27" 8gig 2tb drive.

Would I be better off in the long run with the Mac Pro?

I'm in a simliar situation as you, which one did you end up going with?
 
Dear People,

I would like to know your thoughts? I like OSX, I like Apple hardware, I like Mac software, we own a Mac Book Pro and an Imac a PC, and we will buy a Mac Pro this week or so.

Why not buy a PC instead: the same setup will cost 1000,- less, it has more extra's (like more RAM, USB3, eSata), Windows 7 is stabil?

Personally, I have the best of both worlds, built my own PC, and its running OSX :D

Its hard to justify 2500 and up for a desktop that you can build or buy for under a grand.
 
Personally, I have the best of both worlds, built my own PC, and its running OSX :D

Its hard to justify 2500 and up for a desktop that you can build or buy for under a grand.

Perhaps. Keep in mind Mac Pro's use Xeon Westmere server grade processors, which my be more than what most need but is certainly more than Intel desktop chipsets. My only issue with Apple is that they will not build a mid-tower system between an iMac and Mac Pro. A tower that is expandable but doesn't need Xeon server grade processors - has all the benefits of a Mac Pro without the overkill. Apple used to make PowerPC Power Mac G4's that were $1500+, and were a great deal. Seems they want the iMac and portable lineup to dominate and leave the Mac Pro for the high end "niche" market.+
 
..Its hard to justify 2500 and up for a desktop that you can build or buy for under a grand.

I like it when somebody builds it for me. I just pay (more), take it home and start working. The fact that it looks nice and that it works smoothly makes me smile. The time saved I can earn the xtra money and more. I like paying money for a good product, I hope other will do that for me to!
 
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Personally, I have the best of both worlds, built my own PC, and its running OSX :D

Its hard to justify 2500 and up for a desktop that you can build or buy for under a grand.

I've done the same thing. Obviously I would prefer a real Mac Pro, but $1200 got me an i7-930 @ 3.8GHz, 12GB RAM, AMD 5850... The most comparable Mac Pro (3.2 Quad Xeon + 5870 were the only options I changed) is :apple:$3,100:apple: , then add a few hundred $$$ to get it up to 12GB RAM from Newegg or OWC.

It's too bad the MP is so overpriced; If I had to buy Apple hardware to run OS X, it would be a 27" iMac (which is such a good value).
 
I've done the same thing. Obviously I would prefer a real Mac Pro, but $1200 got me an i7-930 @ 3.8GHz, 12GB RAM, AMD 5850... The most comparable Mac Pro (3.2 Quad Xeon + 5870 were the only options I changed) is :apple:$3,100:apple: , then add a few hundred $$$ to get it up to 12GB RAM from Newegg or OWC.

It's too bad the MP is so overpriced; If I had to buy Apple hardware to run OS X, it would be a 27" iMac (which is such a good value).

Again, it's NOT overpriced. An Intel Xeon Westmere 3.33 6-Core processor ranges from $1500-1900 depending on seller. It's a SERVER class chip, NOT a desktop chip as the i7. The Intel Core i7 doesn't come in a 3.8GHz, but it does come in a 2.8GHz:

Intel Core i7 Processor Specs from Intel

It also retails for about $200-250 depending on seller. It also doesn't COMPARE to the Xeon grade chipsets. You are comparing two entirely different systems.

If you need a simple desktop, get an i7 based system. You can build them on the cheap, then fuss around with bootloaders, kext's, mach_kernels, DSDT's, and praying the board you have is fully OS X friendly and doesn't kernel panic with a 10.X.X update (Gigabyte P45 motherboards are the best for hackintosh systems at the moment. Do not believe that a Core i7 system is the same or better than an Intel Xeon Westmere based Mac Pro unit.

Have you fully examined the guts of a Mac Pro? It's not just "pretty", the industrial design plays a crucial role in its function. Aluminum keeps the system cooler, the heatsinks are specifically designed for these systems. I've built many boxes, and let me tell you the interior chassis on a Pro is genius! No messy wires to tie together, swapping out SATA drives is as easy as pulling it out of its bay, easy access to everything makes for better maintenance and usage.

So:

1. Core i7 ~$250, AMD 5850 ~$250 (the 5870 is a much better card, and more $$$), you never listed the board you used so I cannot price 12GB RAM, but 12GB's DDR3 RAM may go from $200-$500 depending on system/seller, plus price of board, tower (and how many USB connections of tower, etc.), PSU, SATA HDDS/Optical drives, sound card, etc. These are all important in pricing to compare.

2. Mac Pro Westmere 3.33GHz Intel Xeon - ~$1700, 12GB DDR3 RAM kit from Crucial is $296.99 (never buy Apple RAM as it is one of the few overpriced add-ons), ATI Radeon 5870 upgrade is ~$523 - with all that added you're looking at $2500 even before the SATA HDD/Optical drive, chassis, PSU, etc.

In the end, there is no way you can claim the Mac Pro is overpriced. The chip alone is more than half the unit. It's also not a desktop system for the average user as Core i7's. Now I agree that Apple should produce a mid range tower that utilizes a Core iX processor as most do not need server grade chipsets, and it would fill a niche that many need: an affordable system with the expandability of the Mac Pro. Yet keep in mind, your system is not the same as the Mac Pro systems.
 
Certainly isn't worth the extra $1000, but I always enjoy the "Holy crap that is some serious Aluminum!" comments from my PC using friends.

That being said, my 2008 Mac Pro had better last me six years for what it cost :)
 
Certainly isn't worth the extra $1000, but I always enjoy the "Holy crap that is some serious Aluminum!" comments from my PC using friends.

That being said, my 2008 Mac Pro had better last me six years for what it cost :)

It sure will. Look at the first gen iMacs. Those lasted all the way up into Tiger. And you could do almost everything on Tiger up untill Snow Leopard. Now everything is being made for Leopard and Snow Leopard.
 
Heck, my 2006 24 inch iMac is still running great with tiger. Wanted a 27 inch iMac but to many issues so passed on them. Miss my 2008 Mac pro but sold it while it was still worth something. The new Mac pro's are a bit over priced. Be nice if the built one with a i7 980 in the current form factor. Would be cheaper than xeon systems and would sell like hot cakes. Maybe if we are lucky, apple might build one when sandy bridge comes out. The price for the processors are pretty cheap. If apple doesn't, guess I'll build it myself then like my westmere system I did.
 
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