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Why all the angst against Apple lately?
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Then why do I live in a three mac laptop household with two iPod Touches - and of those 5 items, only one did I not personally buy?
If I were a Micro$oft (LMFAO - I swopped the S for an $ despite non Apple hardware being cheaper GENIUS...seriously - grow up) fanboy - I wouldn't own any Apple hardware. I'd be on a Dell right now probably. And I'd have about £1500 extra in my bank account.
Because I see justification for criticism of one brand - that makes me a fanboy of the other does it?
This is why people love to hate the Apple brand - ignorance, from Apple zealots - the limited hardware offerings from Apple - and the dictorial decision making that is far from perfect, from Jobs
to me, i have always had um bridge with mac users acting like they are smarter than the rest and that they get it and no one else does. Both OS's serve a purpose. I don't think being critical of something is wrong, esepcially if your passionate about them. I am a sports fan and my team makes me irate, i complain, and every sunday i watch them. even the small amount of market share increase is going to bring increased scrutiny and folks wondering what is the OS version of the windows way 
Apple always give me technical support over the phone even though I'm out of warranty. I like that.
I do think Apple's disc drives are the nastiest devices in any machine I'm came across. They don't read half the stuff you throw in them, especially if you're on OS X. I thought maybe it was just my 2007 MBP that had that issue, but then I got the gf a 2009 MBP recently and it's the same, discs getting suck, getting spewed out.. yada yada..
If Apple starts making better disc drives/optical drives w/e you call them then I'll be super satisfied. Their products are world first in functional design as far as I'm concerned and I'm happy to pay for it.
I do think Apple's disc drives are the nastiest devices in any machine I'm came across. They don't read half the stuff you throw in them, especially if you're on OS X. I thought maybe it was just my 2007 MBP that had that issue, but then I got the gf a 2009 MBP recently and it's the same, discs getting suck, getting spewed out.. yada yada..
If Apple starts making better disc drives/optical drives w/e you call them then I'll be super satisfied. Their products are world first in functional design as far as I'm concerned and I'm happy to pay for it.
That is ok, I think it is funny that everytime someone sticks up for Apple on a subject that someone doesn't like they are immediatly called a fanboy. Lets not forget that because it doesn't work for you and it does work for someone else this doesn't make them a fanboy.
Nothing wrong with being critical of a product or brand. However just because YOU don't like something and another person does and it suits their needs and they stick up for that doesn't mean the person is a fanboy.
Nothing wrong with being critical of a product or brand. However just because YOU don't like something and another person does and it suits their needs and they stick up for that doesn't mean the person is a fanboy.
A typical example:
Firewire out of the UBMB.
I complained, bitterly. I was lambasted for being so wrong. Who needs firewire. Steve Jobs told the congregation that no one needed firewire any more. I was a Microsoft fanboy for not agreeing with or liking that design decision.
6 months later the same machine gets it's firewire port back again. Yet the rabid apple fanboys who were so adamant that I was wrong....were now celebrating its return.
One of the orig. iPhones biggest problems - MMS. Who needs MMS? We don't need MMS - send an email!! etc etc etc. Typical blinkered fanboys liking whatever Steve gives them, and rejecting anything he doesnt. Two years later, MMS makes an appearance, slowly. And it's celebrated as a great new feature. No it's not. You were telling us 18 months ago that no one NEEDS mms - that it's a waste of time.
Apple does some things BRILLIANTLY. But it does many things that are simply wrong. But because I wont celebrate every twist and turn of the Cupertino output, I'm classified as a Microsoft fanboy.
Threads of "OMG is that a MAC in a Microsoft advert?" So what? Mac's are just PC's - get over it. People calling them 'Micro$oft'. How old and outdated and frankly, WRONG is that? It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a discussion with someone who wants a laptop without the very basic fact that Apple don't do cheap. ALL their stuff is expensive. Most here will, of course, say that expense is worth it. But for the vast majority of people, it just isn't. They want a cheap laptop for basic stuff with a big screen. All Apple will sell them is a £2K MBP. Dell will sell them a machine that does all they'll need for £450. They want a small light travelling machine - £250 netbook does everything. But no - the Apple fanboys tell us they're just toys. Someone puts OS X on a Dell Netbook and it runs perfectly - it's brilliant...but no, because Steve didn't design it - it's a toy. Get an iPod Touch they say - or a Macbook Air. What - at >£1000?
This is the sort of behaviour that makes it so very easy to hate Apple and its fanboys.
Firewire out of the UBMB.
I complained, bitterly. I was lambasted for being so wrong. Who needs firewire. Steve Jobs told the congregation that no one needed firewire any more. I was a Microsoft fanboy for not agreeing with or liking that design decision.
6 months later the same machine gets it's firewire port back again. Yet the rabid apple fanboys who were so adamant that I was wrong....were now celebrating its return.
One of the orig. iPhones biggest problems - MMS. Who needs MMS? We don't need MMS - send an email!! etc etc etc. Typical blinkered fanboys liking whatever Steve gives them, and rejecting anything he doesnt. Two years later, MMS makes an appearance, slowly. And it's celebrated as a great new feature. No it's not. You were telling us 18 months ago that no one NEEDS mms - that it's a waste of time.
Apple does some things BRILLIANTLY. But it does many things that are simply wrong. But because I wont celebrate every twist and turn of the Cupertino output, I'm classified as a Microsoft fanboy.
Threads of "OMG is that a MAC in a Microsoft advert?" So what? Mac's are just PC's - get over it. People calling them 'Micro$oft'. How old and outdated and frankly, WRONG is that? It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a discussion with someone who wants a laptop without the very basic fact that Apple don't do cheap. ALL their stuff is expensive. Most here will, of course, say that expense is worth it. But for the vast majority of people, it just isn't. They want a cheap laptop for basic stuff with a big screen. All Apple will sell them is a £2K MBP. Dell will sell them a machine that does all they'll need for £450. They want a small light travelling machine - £250 netbook does everything. But no - the Apple fanboys tell us they're just toys. Someone puts OS X on a Dell Netbook and it runs perfectly - it's brilliant...but no, because Steve didn't design it - it's a toy. Get an iPod Touch they say - or a Macbook Air. What - at >£1000?
This is the sort of behaviour that makes it so very easy to hate Apple and its fanboys.
Because Apple SUCKS!
Wait, did I use the right colour, or was I supposed to red to indicate sarcasm?
+1 on that. The fanboys are very blind.
Another example I can think of is how they are all proud of the fact that apple dropped the floppy first. But what they are blind to back then is when Apple dropped the floppy disk there was nothing out on the market yet to allow some one to move small files between computers. CD burners were expensive like in the range of $400-500 and even if you did have a burner blanks were near impossible to fine and again cost quite a bit of money. No one had hear of a USB flash drive and any out were very costly and out side of most people price range. Dial up was the only way to get on the internet and the internet was still this brand new thing. Most people did not have email addresses yet and those who did no real way to send attachments.
That is during that time apple drop the floppy with nothing that was cost effective to replace it with. It was not for a few more years before a things really became cost effective to dump the floppy.
The apple fanboys do not see or even understand the argument about the floppy being dropped to early. Yes even then we could see the floppy was coming to an end of its life but it was still years away before a suitable replacement was out to move small files between computers.
Back when the floppy was dropped it would be like today dropping a CD/DVD drive from computers.
But that is just one example I have from apple past the the fanboy will pass right over and will flame me for.
Perhaps people's expectations of Apple would be lower, and therefore people would be more satisfied, if Apple used less hyberbole....
Reasons to love
Reasons to love
that was pretty funny
Perhaps people's expectations of Apple would be lower, and therefore people would be more satisfied, if Apple used less hyberbole....
Reasons to love
Perhaps people's expectations of Apple would be lower, and therefore people would be more satisfied, if Apple used less hyberbole....
Reasons to love
That was pretty funny....
But Apple remains #1 in customer satisfaction. Whats wrong with a little hyperbole?
Let them enjoy first place while they have it.
Hoping that they keep 1st place for awhile because I kinda like them a bit,
Keri
Macs used to be fun to play with. Even the G3 iMacs could be dismantled pretty easily.
Now the lion's share of models sold just sit there and do the integrated hardware/software thing while all the wetware does is push buttons and tap surfaces.
Just thinking of Tom Hanks criticizing the new toys in 'Big'. "They used to move up and down. Now they just spin around in place".
They're slick streamlined appliances now; they're just too easy to use.
I'm not complaining. If I want a kludge I can build it myself.
Now the lion's share of models sold just sit there and do the integrated hardware/software thing while all the wetware does is push buttons and tap surfaces.
Just thinking of Tom Hanks criticizing the new toys in 'Big'. "They used to move up and down. Now they just spin around in place".
They're slick streamlined appliances now; they're just too easy to use.
I'm not complaining. If I want a kludge I can build it myself.
So if you hate Apple so much, why the hell do you have so many of their products, or claim you do anyway? Furthermore, if you hate them so much, what are you doing on these fora? Only reason that makes any sense is that you are trolling plain and simple.
People (and companies) make mistakes. It seems he tried to overlook the ones that both he and Apple made, and gave them another chance or two.
Or it could be, maybe you simply missed the part where he says he needs Keynote and puts up with Apple because of it.
This is a Mac forum - it's for discussing Mac things.
But as you've asked -
Powerpoint doesn't do the one thing that I have to use Keynote for.
Vista at release was totally unusable - I still don't like it and full hope to have avoided it in a production environment all together by the time I transition to Win 7.
Excel 2007 tries to do too much, I preferred Excel 2005.
Windows Mobile is crap. I had an HTC thing for a while and it was a sluggish piece of crap not worth bothering with.
Microsoft don't make PC's - just an OS. The hardware they do make is, to be honest, damn good. Their mice and keyboards are good - but the mice do tend to die after about 4 -5 years of hard use. At £20 for the one I really like, I don't mind.
Just spent <£300 on a refurb Dell Inspiron for a relative. It's got the same CPU, the same RAM and a bigger HDD than a Macbook. But it has 4 USB ports, HDMI, VGA, S-Video, SD&MMS card reader, Express Card reader, Firewire and TWO headphone sockets so you can listen to something with a friend as well as a separate Mic socket and a larger screen. There is no means by which one can judge an extra £425 for a Macbook justified for day to day home computing.
So - with a £425 premium from Apple - tell me, why do you call them Micro$oft.
Why are YOU so desperate to talk about Microsoft in a Mac forum? I'm talking about Apple here - you're the one with the Microsoft obsession here - how about instead of a childish tirade against Microsoft, you actually comment on my criticisms of Apple. Are they justified, are they wrong? You would far rather tirade against Microsoft than actually discuss Apple. Why?
Thanks for the reply. It "evens" things out a bit, don't you think? Makes you seem less like a fanboy.
I use the $ because MS has a stranglehold on the market with an OS that at least through Vista, is rubbish for a variety of reasons.
I'm betting that Dell Inspiron has slower bus speeds though. All the Macs have 1066 MHz buses (don't know about the white MacBook), which Dell to my knowledge only includes on the Latitude notebooks, which are every last bit as expensive as their Mac counterparts.
I use the $ because MS has a stranglehold on the market with an OS that at least through Vista, is rubbish for a variety of reasons.
I'm betting that Dell Inspiron has slower bus speeds though. All the Macs have 1066 MHz buses (don't know about the white MacBook), which Dell to my knowledge only includes on the Latitude notebooks, which are every last bit as expensive as their Mac counterparts.
I use the $ because MS has a stranglehold on the market with an OS that at least through Vista, is rubbish for a variety of reasons.
I'm betting that Dell Inspiron has slower bus speeds though.
Apple have a stranglehold on the mobile music player market. So what?
BUS SPEEDS - Oh, that's worth the £425 premium. Yeah.
You have GOT to be kidding me.
Apple have a stranglehold on the mobile music player market. So what?
BUS SPEEDS - Oh, that's worth the £425 premium. Yeah.
You will notice the difference between an 800 MHz FSB and a 1066 MHz (or 1333 MHz which I believe is becoming more prevalent in desktop processors). Oh, and a 1066 MHz memory bus makes a noticeable difference too.
If Dell provided little things like that in their lower notebooks, you'd have a point. BUT THEY DO NOT. If you actually compare the Dell Latitudes with the Apple MBP's you will find that the prices are pretty much the same because THOSE ACTUALLY HAVE COMPARABLE SPECS. So quit this fallacious bloviation and get the facts straight; compare like things with like. Got it?
As for music players, Apple obviously has good products that people actually want. No one would buy them if they were crappy.
Sony's extended warranty (Vaio's) covers physical damage to the machine as well. Apple is known for making pretty products, which unfortunately don't last very long. PC's aren't up there on reliability either but they're cheaper so people just expect less than stellar service.
Point one - no, you won't. Believe me - you just won't. You might see a memory benchmark change - but real life computing, not a damn thing.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1144/intel_qx6850_quad_core_cpu_1333mhz_fsb/index5.html
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1144/intel_qx6850_quad_core_cpu_1333mhz_fsb/index7.html
Demonstrably, no performance improvement that a human could notice.
I'm not after comparing specs anyway. I'm not saying a £300 Inspiron is the same as a £750 Macbook in terms of outright performance (although it would be very similar). What I'm saying is that the £300 is all the computer the average computer user needs. There is no means to justify the extra £450 to Joe Public. You want a 17" Laptop? Nice big screen for browsing, looking at Photos. Excellent £400 machine from Dell - does everything my Dad needs. Is there any means to justify the extra £1450 that Apple want for a 17" laptop for the average computer user?
No. Just no.
Point two..... If no one would buy them if they were crappy - then what does that tell you about Windows?
Find a benchmark that used Core 2 Duos, and I'll take it more seriously. Those are totally different processors. Bus speed is in fact quite important. I get it that maybe you aren't a power user, but I am and it makes all the difference.
In case you are curious, I didn't get a 17" MBP simply because of the price, and when I was buying; it wasn't yet a unibody anyway.
It just tells me that a huge number of people are running a junk OS. iPods are actually good, if a bit spendy. OTOH, a Windows license isn't cheap either. And iPods work on both Mac and PC since iTunes is available for both. Can MS's Zune do that? No.
If MS would simply write the old garbage out of Windows and force their enterprise customers to come out of the dark ages, I wouldn't have a problem with Windows.